Trae Young

[nolang1]

The Hawks are throwing him to the wolves like this so they can lose a bunch of games and get him better help; if they get Zion or RJ plus a decent prospect with the Mavs pick and add those two to Young, Prince, and Collins, that will be considered one of the best young cores in the league, and on top of that they'll have a lot of cap space. At that point nobody should be complaining about how much help he's got. The way some describe it, Trae Young requires enough help that you could take him off the team and the 'supporting cast' plus any decent point guard would be good enough to win 45-50 games.

Speaking of supporting casts, Oklahoma this season is 8-1 and ranked #33 by Kenpom (they finished #48 last year). You can probably click to any random page in the middle of this thread and see people talking about how Trae Young's teammates were like the worst collection of players to ever play major conference basketball, so that's probably at least noteworthy.

The 'entitlement' thing is always a dumb argument to me as it's not hard for any 19-year-old rookie, regardless of initial role, to look around and see they're so much worse than the league's best players and it's going to take a lot of hard work to even have a chance of getting to that point. If Trae Young is gonna be shooting sub 30 percent on threes (which is not necessarily that surprising considering the track record of one-and-done rookies adjusting to the NBA line) he'd be having an awful rookie season whether he's running the show for the Hawks or the 3rd-string point guard for Golden State. I'm sure he's gonna work to get better, and if he doesn't it's gonna have a lot more to do with his talent than because he became 'entitled' because Atlanta put the ball in his hands from the start (which is obviously a much smarter long-term move for them than trying to win 35 games with Jeremy Lin as the starter).

While Lin is a solid player, we aren't winning anymore with him than Trae. At the end of the day, we lack way too much starting talent. Our bench is as good as our starters and are starters should all be on the bench. We have a fairly equal 1-10.

-0.09 RPM for Lin versus -5.57 for Young, who has the lowest DRPM in the league by nearly a full point. Trust me, they would be winning noticeably more with Lin this year.

[King Ken]

The Hawks are throwing him to the wolves like this so they can lose a bunch of games and get him better help; if they get Zion or RJ plus a decent prospect with the Mavs pick and add those two to Young, Prince, and Collins, that will be considered one of the best young cores in the league, and on top of that they'll have a lot of cap space. At that point nobody should be complaining about how much help he's got. The way some describe it, Trae Young requires enough help that you could take him off the team and the 'supporting cast' plus any decent point guard would be good enough to win 45-50 games.

Speaking of supporting casts, Oklahoma this season is 8-1 and ranked #33 by Kenpom (they finished #48 last year). You can probably click to any random page in the middle of this thread and see people talking about how Trae Young's teammates were like the worst collection of players to ever play major conference basketball, so that's probably at least noteworthy.

The 'entitlement' thing is always a dumb argument to me as it's not hard for any 19-year-old rookie, regardless of initial role, to look around and see they're so much worse than the league's best players and it's going to take a lot of hard work to even have a chance of getting to that point. If Trae Young is gonna be shooting sub 30 percent on threes (which is not necessarily that surprising considering the track record of one-and-done rookies adjusting to the NBA line) he'd be having an awful rookie season whether he's running the show for the Hawks or the 3rd-string point guard for Golden State. I'm sure he's gonna work to get better, and if he doesn't it's gonna have a lot more to do with his talent than because he became 'entitled' because Atlanta put the ball in his hands from the start (which is obviously a much smarter long-term move for them than trying to win 35 games with Jeremy Lin as the starter).

While Lin is a solid player, we aren't winning anymore with him than Trae. At the end of the day, we lack way too much starting talent. Our bench is as good as our starters and are starters should all be on the bench. We have a fairly equal 1-10.

-0.09 RPM for Lin versus -5.57 for Young, who has the lowest DRPM in the league by nearly a full point. Trust me, they would be winning noticeably more with Lin this year.

This is the same stat where DeAaron Fox was near the bottom of the league in last year. It's not indicative of anything of merit. Just a mindless babble stat. Trust me, it would not change a thing. There is a difference between playing v. NBA starting PG's and their backups like Lin does on a nightly basis when healthy which he is still working on that.

[CP War Hawks]

The Hawks are throwing him to the wolves like this so they can lose a bunch of games and get him better help; if they get Zion or RJ plus a decent prospect with the Mavs pick and add those two to Young, Prince, and Collins, that will be considered one of the best young cores in the league, and on top of that they'll have a lot of cap space.

Young, Huerter, Spellman, Collins all of the young 21 and under prospects are getting tossed in the shark tank. Atleast this way you get a good idea of what you have by the end of the season.

Schlenk has alot of high draft picks and expiring contracts he will use. Next tank season will feature even more youngsters, but it will be a much more fun team to follow. The first real tank season with a bunch of rookies, and journeymen type vets is the worst.

[nolang1]

While Lin is a solid player, we aren't winning anymore with him than Trae. At the end of the day, we lack way too much starting talent. Our bench is as good as our starters and are starters should all be on the bench. We have a fairly equal 1-10.

-0.09 RPM for Lin versus -5.57 for Young, who has the lowest DRPM in the league by nearly a full point. Trust me, they would be winning noticeably more with Lin this year.

This is the same stat where DeAaron Fox was near the bottom of the league in last year. It's not indicative of anything of merit. Just a mindless babble stat. Trust me, it would not change a thing. There is a difference between playing v. NBA starting PG's and their backups like Lin does on a nightly basis when healthy which he is still working on that.

Why would DeAaron Fox not have been towards the bottom of the league last year? He was very ineffective while playing for the team with the 2nd-worst point differential in the league in a situation that was a horrible match for his strengths as a player (he was stuck in the “prove you’re not entitled” role where he spent a lot of time playing off the ball for one of the slower-paced teams in the league). You could say that it doesn’t have much meaning in terms of long-term potential but it is quite accurate in describing those particular 19-year-old rookies as much worse than decent veteran players.

Frankly if your eye test can’t see that Young is currently the worst defensive player in the league, it’s not like you’re going to be capable of parsing the information contained in any stat either.

[TruthITD]

hes been a huge bust so far...shooting 25% from 3 through 30 games...numbers don't lie. Due to a lack of height (about 5'10" not counting hair) and lack of athleticism, both of which cannot be taught. Just like nolang1 stated above his kid's defense is atrocious and any decent team will exploit him at this end on a regular basis.

[Ball4life32]

hes been a huge bust so far...shooting 25% from 3 through 30 games...numbers don't lie. Due to a lack of height (about 5'10" not counting hair) and lack of athleticism, both of which cannot be taught. Just like nolang1 stated above his kid's defense is atrocious and any decent team will exploit him at this end on a regular basis.

‪He literally measured 6’2 at the combine. He’s going to need to get a lot stronger and I do believe he’s way better than a 25% 3 point shooter. Hawks also need another ball handler to take the pressure off of him. ‬

[MalonesElbows]

hes been a huge bust so far...shooting 25% from 3 through 30 games...numbers don't lie. Due to a lack of height (about 5'10" not counting hair) and lack of athleticism, both of which cannot be taught. Just like nolang1 stated above his kid's defense is atrocious and any decent team will exploit him at this end on a regular basis.

‪He literally measured 6’2 at the combine. He’s going to need to get a lot stronger and I do believe he’s way better than a 25% 3 point shooter. Hawks also need another ball handler to take the pressure off of him. ‬

He measured a half inch over 6" barefoot, which is the number GMs deal in. Granted, that is higher than I thought he'd be and passable at point guard.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Hasn't Young always shot under 33% from 3 outside of 15 college games?

FIBA U18, Nike Tournament U18, College (after December), Summer League, NBA.

So there's 2 samples you could pick from one is 15 games and one is 5 times larger.

The only reason to pick the hot streak (that many other players have had, Marshon Brooks would be a 5 year max based on his 15 games last season) is because of the mountain of man made narrative that Young (and Ball as another example) have that turns their numbers around into a more favourable fantasy.

[wco81]

Young should improve as he gets more used to the caliber of athletes he plays against.

Of course competent NBA trainers will improve his core strength (like Curry did) and maximize the quickness he has.

He can also improve his ball handling and release to improve his shotmaking off the dribble.

Still his physical abilities are low by NBA standards.

Remember Damon Stoudemire who was about Young's size but he was quick and sustained a long career. There have been others as well.

So he could have a good career but will he ever prove to be a better choice than Doncic? That is what we won't know for years.

[Justwar]

I just think Trae young is always gonna have trouble getting his shot off, bad d, and very ball dominant. Being a off ball guy is his only solution

[Ball4life32]

I just think Trae young is always gonna have trouble getting his shot off, bad d, and very ball dominant. Being a off ball guy is his only solution

He needs a secondary ball handler but just being an off the ball guy takes away from his best trait. (passing)

[Justwar]

It's mixed matched, he needs the ball but needs to be off it. Or you find even more shooting. I just never bought into his shooting hype. He was hot in college first half of the year and second half much more average. You gotta surround him with so many things to make him worth it on the court

[CP War Hawks]

Young should improve as he gets more used to the caliber of athletes he plays against.

Of course competent NBA trainers will improve his core strength (like Curry did) and maximize the quickness he has.

He can also improve his ball handling and release to improve his shotmaking off the dribble.

Still his physical abilities are low by NBA standards.

Remember Damon Stoudemire who was about Young's size but he was quick and sustained a long career. There have been others as well.

So he could have a good career but will he ever prove to be a better choice than Doncic? That is what we won't know for years.

The thing with Curry is he didn't let those ankle injuries define his career and went overdrive into improving his body. I don't know that Trae is ready to put in that kind of work. He has to know that's what's going to get him to the next level.

His play has started to settle down lately, but his play all season will be like a volatile stock throughout the year.

[GoodBehavior]

Extremely hard to see how he's going to be a plus player if his defense is this bad. He will get better on that end, but you have to question how much better he can get.This is a guard-driven sport, he's going to be asked to defend some really good players every night more or less. Fox has all the physical tool to become an elite defender, Curry isn't shabby, but Trae Young looks dreadful based on the eye test.

[King Ken]

Extremely hard to see how he's going to be a plus player if his defense is this bad. He will get better on that end, but you have to question how much better he can get.This is a guard-driven sport, he's going to be asked to defend some really good players every night more or less. Fox has all the physical tool to become an elite defender, Curry isn't shabby, but Trae Young looks dreadful based on the eye test.

Trae can be a solid defender depending on the matchup at least man to man. He struggled with Mudiay and Westbrook. Those bigger PGs. Overall Trae has been pretty solid for us. He had some great games and some stinkers but he was boom or bust. A positive is if he can do that in the NBA.

For me, he has as much potential as anyone in his class. I think he will be the best player in his class. He has everything offensive to carry a game with the ball. Off the ball is where improvement is needed. All in all, I am happy with Trae. He shows me what I need to see especially considering how much responsibility he has and how much teams he is playing v. Is giving him.

[Stillwater]

The fact this guy is still being talked about in a draft thread says all you need to know about how many people bought into the hype and didn't see the truth.

[eminence]

The fact this guy is still being talked about in a draft thread says all you need to know about how many people bought into the hype and didn't see the truth.

This is pretty rich from the guy bumping the Collin Sexton thread.

[Stillwater]

The fact this guy is still being talked about in a draft thread says all you need to know about how many people bought into the hype and didn't see the truth.

This is pretty rich from the guy bumping the Collin Sexton thread.

Sexton has hit the wall in the past few games, but he has far exceeded what most people in that thread thought he would and has certainly deserved retributions going later than & outperforming Young. That isn't remotely the same thing as people continuing to make excuses for Young when he still has a low release and can't defend a limping child.

[nybluemeadow]

Half way through the season now, Trae looks ok, he is putting up similar number that Chris Paul put up in his rookie season. Although Trae is averaging more turn overs than CP3, but i'll give that a pass since Trae is a rookie and Paul had better teammates when he as a rookie in New Orleans.

[The-Power]

Half way through the season now, Trae looks ok, he is putting up similar number that Chris Paul put up in his rookie season. Although Trae is averaging more turn overs than CP3, but i'll give that a pass since Trae is a rookie and Paul had better teammates when he as a rookie in New Orleans.

Let's not start it off like this, comparing him to CP3. Let's just be happy that he seems to be settling in slowly, and finding ways to contribute on offense without playing his crazy high-usage game. Defense continues to be an issue, though.