GT #31: Wizards @ ATL Hawks 7:30 PM (NBCSW/1500 AM)

[nate33]

Here is my biased analysis on the Brook's rotation.

First, I acknowledge it is hard without Porter - what is our record with that guy out?

Wall/Beal/Sato need to thake all fo the minutes. Having Randle play through off the second unit, IMO. Maybe Randle plays 5 minutes. But the Hawks guards were running by Randle - Brooks was really bad here.

Don't play your old guys 38 minutes. Ariza and Green should be playing sub 30 minutes. Yep, you would need to have more run for Dekker and Brown. And where was Brown. Brooks was really bad here.

Bryant was the only FC player that was able to effective box out. So we went to the matador that is Mahimni. 14 min for Bryant was just silly. Brooks was really bad here.

So, my conclusion for this game. Yeah, Wall was bad but Brooks was worse.

Overall conclusion - this lineup is coach proof but not Brooks proof.

Let's not forget that Atlanta jumped to a 12-0 start with our starters in the lineup. And the game was tied with 10:40 to go in the 4th. So for the bulk of the game the rotation decisions made by Brooks did the trick.

The wheels fell off in the 4th quarter. We started the 4th quarter with it tied. The lineup was Randle, Beal, Ariza, Dekker, Mahinmi. They held their own for 2 minutes or so. Wall replaced Randle and it was still tied. It was after Wall came in that things fell apart. Over the next 7 minutes, Atlanta would outscore us by 14. And Mahinmi and Dekker only contributed to half of those lost points. The team fell behind by 7 in the first 3 minutes of that stretch with Mahinmi and Dekker in the game. After that Brooks mostly played the starters plus either Sato or Morris but nobody could stop Atlanta.

[dckingsfan]

Here is my biased analysis on the Brook's rotation.

First, I acknowledge it is hard without Porter - what is our record with that guy out?

Wall/Beal/Sato need to thake all fo the minutes. Having Randle play through off the second unit, IMO. Maybe Randle plays 5 minutes. But the Hawks guards were running by Randle - Brooks was really bad here.

Don't play your old guys 38 minutes. Ariza and Green should be playing sub 30 minutes. Yep, you would need to have more run for Dekker and Brown. And where was Brown. Brooks was really bad here.

Bryant was the only FC player that was able to effective box out. So we went to the matador that is Mahimni. 14 min for Bryant was just silly. Brooks was really bad here.

So, my conclusion for this game. Yeah, Wall was bad but Brooks was worse.

Overall conclusion - this lineup is coach proof but not Brooks proof.

Let's not forget that Atlanta jumped to a 12-0 start with our starters in the lineup. And the game was tied with 10:40 to go in the 4th. So for the bulk of the game the rotation decisions made by Brooks did the trick.

The wheels fell off in the 4th quarter. We started the 4th quarter with it tied. The lineup was Randle, Beal, Ariza, Dekker, Mahinmi. They held their own for 2 minutes or so. Wall replaced Randle and it was still tied. It was after Wall came in that things fell apart. Over the next 7 minutes, Atlanta would outscore us by 14. And Mahinmi and Dekker only contributed to half of those lost points. The team fell behind by 7 in the first 3 minutes of that stretch with Mahinmi and Dekker in the game. After that Brooks mostly played the starters plus either Sato or Morris but nobody could stop Atlanta.

Agreed with the above. I still that the rotations were coaching malpractice. We wonder why Ariza and Green aren't effective playing more than 30 minutes? If we want Bryant to be a defensive presence, he actually needs to be on the court and if defense is the key with this team, why Randall over Brown.

[Ruzious]

The effect of playing Mahinmi for 16 minutes shouldn't be ignored. Remember, he was a healthy scratch for the previous 5 games - even with Howard injured, because he's not good at NBA basketball. His play last night was indescribably bad - not just on offense but also on defense and the boards - where he got overwhelmingly outplayed by Collins. The way he tried to catch the ball looked like he sees the ball as a square object with sharp edges. Baby seals have better hands than Ian Mahinmi.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What the hello is wrong with Brooks?

That rotation?!?!??

No Brown Jr.

About 100 minutes of Yawn.

Green didn’t have it tonight. Should have been pulled.

Unwatchable.

Also, why start Ariza and play him nearly 40 minutes in his FIRST GAME as a Wizard?

Stupid man. So is Grunfeld.

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Because he was playing well and because Otto Porter didn't suit up. That decision seemed to be the least objectionable of all. I'm glad Ariza played 40 minutes.

And as I've cautioned many times in the past, let's be fair about judging rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight. You don't know a player is going to play bad until after he plays bad. And you can't assume that a guy who didn't play (and who has a TS% of 45% and a PER of 12 so far this year in garbage time) was going to deliver a victory if he did play.

Case in point: John Wall was 0-7 from the floor through 2.5 quarters with only 3 assists, absolutely horrific. Many of you would have benched him. Wall finished out the game going 6-11 including three 3-pointers, which is certainly more than Randall or Brown would have given us in 1.5 quarters if Wall was benched.

At this point, our lineup is fairly coach-proof. All of the role players with the exception of Morris are pretty good, play hard, and try to play the right way. I think arguing about rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight is just pointing the finger at the wrong person. The coach didn't lose this game (at least not with rotation decisions, anyhow). The players did.

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I think continuity from the last W would have been reasonable. They WON the game against the Lakers with Porter out. SATORANSKY STARTED and played 46 minutes that W.

Merit and RESPECT says start the guy you've coached years. Ease Ariza in. Instead, a disjointed Wizards group fell behind early.

Awarding yoyo minutes is a morale killer and not the best way.

I'm sticking by Stupid. That is exactly what I think this coach is. Yep, dude with real-life mental health issues thinks this coach has a less-than average intellect.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

What the hello is wrong with Brooks?

That rotation?!?!??

No Brown Jr.

About 100 minutes of Yawn.

Green didn’t have it tonight. Should have been pulled.

Unwatchable.

Also, why start Ariza and play him nearly 40 minutes in his FIRST GAME as a Wizard?

Stupid man. So is Grunfeld.

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Because he was playing well and because Otto Porter didn't suit up. That decision seemed to be the least objectionable of all. I'm glad Ariza played 40 minutes.

And as I've cautioned many times in the past, let's be fair about judging rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight. You don't know a player is going to play bad until after he plays bad. And you can't assume that a guy who didn't play (and who has a TS% of 45% and a PER of 12 so far this year in garbage time) was going to deliver a victory if he did play.

Case in point: John Wall was 0-7 from the floor through 2.5 quarters with only 3 assists, absolutely horrific. Many of you would have benched him. Wall finished out the game going 6-11 including three 3-pointers, which is certainly more than Randall or Brown would have given us in 1.5 quarters if Wall was benched.

At this point, our lineup is fairly coach-proof. All of the role players with the exception of Morris are pretty good, play hard, and try to play the right way. I think arguing about rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight is just pointing the finger at the wrong person. The coach didn't lose this game (at least not with rotation decisions, anyhow). The players did.

Coach proof lineup?

No. Couldn't disagree more.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Guys, this is the best outcome

Team stays healthy and keeps losing.

We get a lotto pick

We get a new GM

Wall is not healthy and they are going to allow him to ruin himself totally before the super max deal kicks in.

They need to shut him down at least 15 games but they won't.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I don't agree with your outlook there. This team is going nowhere, and it just doesn't make sense to play a 33 year old journeyman (at this point in his career) 40 minutes against the Atlanta Hawks. They should be seeing what they have in younger players like Dekker and Brown.

I was referring to tactical rotation decisions to try and win the game last night. If you want to argue that our long term strategy should be to see what we've got in Dekker and Brown, I won't disagree. However you and I are not on the same page as Ted, Grunfeld and Brooks because they decided to trade Oubre for Ariza. Clearly they're focusing on winning now and not building for the future. Given that stance, I can understand the decision to ride Ariza in the Atlanta game.

Ariza playing doesn't equate to better chance of winning. The Suns are better without both Ariza and Chandler.

The fallacy is that veteran equals better.

Ted and Ernie and Scott Brooks are on the wrong pages, collectively. They had a better squad last season with Gortat and Oubre starting with the big three contract players.

Instead of overpaying for the services of Dwight Howard and Austin Rivers the dumb dumbs should have been much more selective.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Also, why start Ariza and play him nearly 40 minutes in his FIRST GAME as a Wizard?

Stupid man. So is Grunfeld.

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Because he was playing well and because Otto Porter didn't suit up. That decision seemed to be the least objectionable of all. I'm glad Ariza played 40 minutes.

And as I've cautioned many times in the past, let's be fair about judging rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight. You don't know a player is going to play bad until after he plays bad. And you can't assume that a guy who didn't play (and who has a TS% of 45% and a PER of 12 so far this year in garbage time) was going to deliver a victory if he did play.

Case in point: John Wall was 0-7 from the floor through 2.5 quarters with only 3 assists, absolutely horrific. Many of you would have benched him. Wall finished out the game going 6-11 including three 3-pointers, which is certainly more than Randall or Brown would have given us in 1.5 quarters if Wall was benched.

At this point, our lineup is fairly coach-proof. All of the role players with the exception of Morris are pretty good, play hard, and try to play the right way. I think arguing about rotation decisions with 20/20 hindsight is just pointing the finger at the wrong person. The coach didn't lose this game (at least not with rotation decisions, anyhow). The players did.

Here is my biased analysis on the Brook's rotation.

First, I acknowledge it is hard without Porter - what is our record with that guy out?

Wall/Beal/Sato need to thake all fo the minutes. Having Randle play through off the second unit, IMO. Maybe Randle plays 5 minutes. But the Hawks guards were running by Randle - Brooks was really bad here.

Don't play your old guys 38 minutes. Ariza and Green should be playing sub 30 minutes. Yep, you would need to have more run for Dekker and Brown. And where was Brown. Brooks was really bad here.

Bryant was the only FC player that was able to effective box out. So we went to the matador that is Mahimni. 14 min for Bryant was just silly. Brooks was really bad here.

So, my conclusion for this game. Yeah, Wall was bad but Brooks was worse.

Overall conclusion - this lineup is coach proof but not Brooks proof.

A million times, AGREED.

THANKS, dckingsfan

Brooks is perhaps THE WORST coach (not named Tapscott) this team has ever had.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Here is my biased analysis on the Brook's rotation.

First, I acknowledge it is hard without Porter - what is our record with that guy out?

Wall/Beal/Sato need to thake all fo the minutes. Having Randle play through off the second unit, IMO. Maybe Randle plays 5 minutes. But the Hawks guards were running by Randle - Brooks was really bad here.

Don't play your old guys 38 minutes. Ariza and Green should be playing sub 30 minutes. Yep, you would need to have more run for Dekker and Brown. And where was Brown. Brooks was really bad here.

Bryant was the only FC player that was able to effective box out. So we went to the matador that is Mahimni. 14 min for Bryant was just silly. Brooks was really bad here.

So, my conclusion for this game. Yeah, Wall was bad but Brooks was worse.

Overall conclusion - this lineup is coach proof but not Brooks proof.

Let's not forget that Atlanta jumped to a 12-0 start with our starters in the lineup. And the game was tied with 10:40 to go in the 4th. So for the bulk of the game the rotation decisions made by Brooks did the trick.

The wheels fell off in the 4th quarter. We started the 4th quarter with it tied. The lineup was Randle, Beal, Ariza, Dekker, Mahinmi. They held their own for 2 minutes or so. Wall replaced Randle and it was still tied. It was after Wall came in that things fell apart. Over the next 7 minutes, Atlanta would outscore us by 14. And Mahinmi and Dekker only contributed to half of those lost points. The team fell behind by 7 in the first 3 minutes of that stretch with Mahinmi and Dekker in the game. After that Brooks mostly played the starters plus either Sato or Morris but nobody could stop Atlanta.

Wall and Ariza out and last night's a win.

Opinion...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

And no Mahinmi...

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

The effect of playing Mahinmi for 16 minutes shouldn't be ignored. Remember, he was a healthy scratch for the previous 5 games - even with Howard injured, because he's not good at NBA basketball. His play last night was indescribably bad - not just on offense but also on defense and the boards - where he got overwhelmingly outplayed by Collins. The way he tried to catch the ball looked like he sees the ball as a square object with sharp edges. Baby seals have better hands than Ian Mahinmi.

Ernie Grunfeld signed Mahinmi.

Incredible ineptitude.

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[nate33]

Here is my biased analysis on the Brook's rotation.

First, I acknowledge it is hard without Porter - what is our record with that guy out?

Wall/Beal/Sato need to thake all fo the minutes. Having Randle play through off the second unit, IMO. Maybe Randle plays 5 minutes. But the Hawks guards were running by Randle - Brooks was really bad here.

Don't play your old guys 38 minutes. Ariza and Green should be playing sub 30 minutes. Yep, you would need to have more run for Dekker and Brown. And where was Brown. Brooks was really bad here.

Bryant was the only FC player that was able to effective box out. So we went to the matador that is Mahimni. 14 min for Bryant was just silly. Brooks was really bad here.

So, my conclusion for this game. Yeah, Wall was bad but Brooks was worse.

Overall conclusion - this lineup is coach proof but not Brooks proof.

Let's not forget that Atlanta jumped to a 12-0 start with our starters in the lineup. And the game was tied with 10:40 to go in the 4th. So for the bulk of the game the rotation decisions made by Brooks did the trick.

The wheels fell off in the 4th quarter. We started the 4th quarter with it tied. The lineup was Randle, Beal, Ariza, Dekker, Mahinmi. They held their own for 2 minutes or so. Wall replaced Randle and it was still tied. It was after Wall came in that things fell apart. Over the next 7 minutes, Atlanta would outscore us by 14. And Mahinmi and Dekker only contributed to half of those lost points. The team fell behind by 7 in the first 3 minutes of that stretch with Mahinmi and Dekker in the game. After that Brooks mostly played the starters plus either Sato or Morris but nobody could stop Atlanta.

Wall and Ariza out and last night's a win.

Opinion...

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An opinion that has absolutely no basis to support it, particularly with respect to Ariza. Statistically, Ariza was arguably our best player last night (going by Nivek's numbers) and certainly our second-best (behind Beal). He had 6 steals on D, and the 4 assists on offense despite his low usage rate are illustrative that he was playing good team ball.

It's true that Wall being out might have resulted in a win, because Wall was awful. But that same logic would have resulted in a loss last game against the Lakers. This year, Wall has been very hot and cold. You never know which guy you're gonna get. The fault is Wall's not Brooks'.

[Kanyewest]

Ariza had a poor shooting night but had 6 steals. Apparently had a 52 TS percentage. I also thought he was fouled on one of his 3 point attempts(which was not called).

[Kanyewest]

Where was Bryant down the stretch? The only guy on the court that was close to matching the lenght of the Hawks front court, and the Wizards just kept playing small for no reason it seemed like.

It's not like we actually went out of our way to involve their bigs into pick and rolls, Brooks just stood there as they got 2nd chance opportunity after opportunity.

I was also thinking the same thing. Although looking at the box score now, he was - 7 in 14 minutes which wasn't much better than Ian.

[trast66]

Sad thing is we are buyers of vets not youth in trades, not playing our first round pick, and still stink while being in luxury tax. I don’t consider the rotation coach proof with Ian getting minutes. I don’t care that’s he’s tall, he shouldn’t be on court.

[queridiculo]

Has there ever been a worse free agency deal for the Wizards than Mahinmi?

A lot of bad Bullets/Wizards moves over the past 40 years, but to me in terms of bad moves, it's the Webber trade, and then Ian's $64 million.

Drew Nicholson has got to be a top ten Bullets Hall of Shame move as well.

[NatP4]

I have no idea why Thomas Bryant and Troy Brown jr don’t play. Thomas Bryant is now 24th in RPM for centers. He’s averaging 15-10-2-2-1 with almost no turnovers per 36. 18.7 PER .650 TS% .148 WS/48 positive BPM and VORP. He should be playing 30+ minutes a night, not 14. Wall needs to be traded, and we need to get Dwight and Otto back healthy, but this team still has some nice pieces.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Has there ever been a worse free agency deal for the Wizards than Mahinmi?

A lot of bad Bullets/Wizards moves over the past 40 years, but to me in terms of bad moves, it's the Webber trade, and then Ian's $64 million.

Drew Nicholson has got to be a top ten Bullets Hall of Shame move as well.

Don't forget trading #5 pick that could have been Steph Curry for one season each of Randy Foye and Mike Miller. Win now move team won 29 games.

That Curry guy turned out half decent...NBA MVP and 3 rings so far.

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[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Has there ever been a worse free agency deal for the Wizards than Mahinmi?

A lot of bad Bullets/Wizards moves over the past 40 years, but to me in terms of bad moves, it's the Webber trade, and then Ian's $64 million.

Drew Nicholson has got to be a top ten Bullets Hall of Shame move as well.

Don't forget trading #5 pick that could have been Steph Curry for one season each of Randy Foye and Mike Miller. Win now move team won 29 games.

That Curry guy turned out half decent...NBA MVP and 3 rings so far.

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Two years after that drafting Vesely #6.

Grunfeld is horrible.

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