Cameron Reddish

SeattleJazzFan · Post #141 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Dec 6, 2018 1:57 pm

TKainZero wrote:He has had some really bad box scores...

I would like to watch some of his tape

Those boxscores reflect what is happening in the games pretty accurately. He's just not very good. Where Zion and RJ are feasting on and outclassing these lesser teams, Reddish looks like another guy out there struggling make plays, turning it over, missing shots, etc.

King Ken · Post #142 » by **King Ken** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:12 am

While I am a believer in his talent and tools which translate perfectly to the NBA. He is still raw. He will take some time. If you are expecting this 20-5-5 out the gate like Doncic, look elsewhere. If you are ok with 11-5-3 year 1 with low overall impact and potentially 25-6-6, Reddish is your guy. His ceiling is as high as anyone in this class. Not sure he will ever be a true #1 option but you never know. The talent and ability is there. He has good court vision as well.

He is more polished than Kevin Knox but less polished than Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. Two way potential but will struggle on both ends as a rookie.

King Ken · Post #143 » by **King Ken** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:17 am

Fischella wrote:I dont understand why K doesn't use him better on D, he isn't quick but his reads are solid and his huge, like he could be really tough on guys like Norvell with his length if he stands back a little and trust his length to recover/bother people's shot

He really can't handle a great deal of defensive responsibility at this age. Same was true for Tatum at this age. R.J. can handle the most but as you see, he is stubborn. Zion can handle a lot to till he gets tired.

No-Man · Post #144 » by **No-Man** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:07 am

King Ken wrote:
Fischella wrote:I dont understand why K doesn't use him better on D, he isn't quick but his reads are solid and his huge, like he could be really tough on guys like Norvell with his length if he stands back a little and trust his length to recover/bother people's shot

He really can't handle a great deal of defensive responsibility at this age. Same was true for Tatum at this age. R.J. can handle the most but as you see, he is stubborn. Zion can handle a lot to till he gets tired.

Tatum was pretty darn solid for a frosh, esp if you compare him with this year Duke's crop

Post #145 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:34 pm

Fischella wrote:
King Ken wrote:
Fischella wrote:I dont understand why K doesn't use him better on D, he isn't quick but his reads are solid and his huge, like he could be really tough on guys like Norvell with his length if he stands back a little and trust his length to recover/bother people's shot

He really can't handle a great deal of defensive responsibility at this age. Same was true for Tatum at this age. R.J. can handle the most but as you see, he is stubborn. Zion can handle a lot to till he gets tired.

Tatum was pretty darn solid for a frosh, esp if you compare him with this year Duke's crop

Tatum was ahead of the wings for sure. Better IQ on that side and understood how to use his length. Cam is longer than Tatum but doesnt know how to use it defensively.

Tre is the best freshman defender since Justise though.

King Ken · Post #146 » by **King Ken** » Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:42 am

Duke4life831 wrote:
Fischella wrote:
King Ken wrote:He really can't handle a great deal of defensive responsibility at this age. Same was true for Tatum at this age. R.J. can handle the most but as you see, he is stubborn. Zion can handle a lot to till he gets tired.

Tatum was pretty darn solid for a frosh, esp if you compare him with this year Duke's crop

Tatum was ahead of the wings for sure. Better IQ on that side and understood how to use his length. Cam is longer than Tatum but doesnt know how to use it defensively.

Tre is the best freshman defender since Justise though.

I disagree, Tatum was lost on defense for at least the first half of the season. It took time for his defense to get up to par on the NCAA level. Offensively, he wasn't far off their mark. Especially Reddish.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #147 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:39 am

Cam is starting to fall down my boards now. I still think he's got a boatload of potential and had some great moments especially early on but he leaves a lot to be desired. Still weak and hesitant going toward the basket. All his drives end up in turnovers and he still hasn't been able to adjust.

Don7 · Post #148 » by **Don7** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:55 am

He´s ridiculous bad whenever he puts the ball on the floor and try to finish inside.

Most of the games you dont even realizes he's on the floor , just jacking up threes.

Post #149 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:58 pm

Right now Cam is just barely living off high school reputation and being 6'8. If we took away his high school reputation, no one would even be considering him a first round pick right now.

I'm not saying to completely write him off, I try not to get too high or low from the early non conference. But for the majority of his games he has been horrible and I think has shown the most red flags out of any of the other highly ranked prospects coming into the year. And this is coming from one of Cam's bigger defenders.

Post #150 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:20 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:Right now Cam is just barely living off high school reputation and being 6'8. If we took away his high school reputation, no one would even be considering him a first round pick right now.

I'm not saying to completely write him off, I try not to get too high or low from the early non conference. But for the majority of his games he has been horrible and I think has shown the most red flags out of any of the other highly ranked prospects coming into the year. And this is coming from one of Cam's bigger defenders.

I've been a staunch advocate of his as well. However, the results aren't in his favor right now. I don't think he's playing his best role at the moment. He's a gamble right now at the top of the lottery, but if you have a stable org with patience, he's a worthy risk.

Post #151 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:27 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Right now Cam is just barely living off high school reputation and being 6'8. If we took away his high school reputation, no one would even be considering him a first round pick right now.

I'm not saying to completely write him off, I try not to get too high or low from the early non conference. But for the majority of his games he has been horrible and I think has shown the most red flags out of any of the other highly ranked prospects coming into the year. And this is coming from one of Cam's bigger defenders.

I've been a staunch advocate of his as well. However, the results aren't in his favor right now. I don't think he's playing his best role at the moment. He's a gamble right now at the top of the lottery, but if you have a stable org with patience, he's a worthy risk.

I think best case scenario for Cam is the Sac pick ends up being around 8-10 and Boston takes him. I don't think Jaylen Brown is on the team after this summer and I think it's a perfect scenario for Cam. He really would only be asked to focus on defending (again a part of his game I've been impressed with) and hitting open 3s. Let him simplify the game while being in a very stable franchise.

Post #152 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:53 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:Right now Cam is just barely living off high school reputation and being 6'8. If we took away his high school reputation, no one would even be considering him a first round pick right now.

I'm not saying to completely write him off, I try not to get too high or low from the early non conference. But for the majority of his games he has been horrible and I think has shown the most red flags out of any of the other highly ranked prospects coming into the year. And this is coming from one of Cam's bigger defenders.

I've been a staunch advocate of his as well. However, the results aren't in his favor right now. I don't think he's playing his best role at the moment. He's a gamble right now at the top of the lottery, but if you have a stable org with patience, he's a worthy risk.

I think best case scenario for Cam is the Sac pick ends up being around 8-10 and Boston takes him. I don't think Jaylen Brown is on the team after this summer and I think it's a perfect scenario for Cam. He really would only be asked to focus on defending (again a part of his game I've been impressed with) and hitting open 3s. Let him simplify the game while being in a very stable franchise.

Defending and hitting 3s? Stable org? You mean Miami, right. 8-)

I agree with your sentiment about Brown as well. He's had his high points where his followers tout his ability and production, but I never really saw much more than a run and jump guy. I'd much rather have Cam than JB. No contest.

Post #153 » by **Duke4life831** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:02 pm

DayofMourning wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
I've been a staunch advocate of his as well. However, the results aren't in his favor right now. I don't think he's playing his best role at the moment. He's a gamble right now at the top of the lottery, but if you have a stable org with patience, he's a worthy risk.

I think best case scenario for Cam is the Sac pick ends up being around 8-10 and Boston takes him. I don't think Jaylen Brown is on the team after this summer and I think it's a perfect scenario for Cam. He really would only be asked to focus on defending (again a part of his game I've been impressed with) and hitting open 3s. Let him simplify the game while being in a very stable franchise.

Defending and hitting 3s? Stable org? You mean Miami, right.

I agree with your sentiment about Brown as well. He's had his high points where his followers tout his ability and production, but I never really saw much more than a run and jump guy. I'd much rather have Cam than JB. No contest.

Haha you guys should be swinging bigger than Cam at the moment (again not officially writing Cam off, just speaking on if this is the level of play he keeps up). I also wouldn't want to take another Duke wing that can't finish at the basket even if his life depended on it haha.

Post #154 » by **DayofMourning** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:20 pm

Duke4life831 wrote:
DayofMourning wrote:
Duke4life831 wrote:
I think best case scenario for Cam is the Sac pick ends up being around 8-10 and Boston takes him. I don't think Jaylen Brown is on the team after this summer and I think it's a perfect scenario for Cam. He really would only be asked to focus on defending (again a part of his game I've been impressed with) and hitting open 3s. Let him simplify the game while being in a very stable franchise.

Defending and hitting 3s? Stable org? You mean Miami, right.

I agree with your sentiment about Brown as well. He's had his high points where his followers tout his ability and production, but I never really saw much more than a run and jump guy. I'd much rather have Cam than JB. No contest.

Haha you guys should be swinging bigger than Cam at the moment (again not officially writing Cam off, just speaking on if this is the level of play he keeps up). I also wouldn't want to take another Duke wing that can't finish at the basket even if his life depended on it haha.

Hey now, Justise hit bout 5 layups the other night;)

I dont know who to love in this draft at our current slot. Nassir is my fave player and I like Hunter as well. Would roll with one of those 3 at 8 if they were there.

Post #155 » by **GimmeDat** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:05 pm

Do you guys think Cam's point forward or passing/handling abilities were overstated coming in to Duke, or we just simply haven't seen enough of him in that role?

Obviously in a very different role than he's used to, but he's got 20 assists and 32 TO's so far this season.

King Ken · Post #156 » by **King Ken** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 3:58 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Do you guys think Cam's point forward or passing/handling abilities were overstated coming in to Duke, or we just simply haven't seen enough of him in that role?

Obviously in a very different role than he's used to, but he's got 20 assists and 32 TO's so far this season.

He has good court vision but most of his turnovers are slashing and trying create. Not the forcing passes or bad decision types. He should be fine as the NBA has more space in that area.

But we haven't seen enough. He is the 4th option honestly. His job is just slightly different than Jack White

Post #157 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:03 pm

GimmeDat wrote:Do you guys think Cam's point forward or passing/handling abilities were overstated coming in to Duke, or we just simply haven't seen enough of him in that role?

Obviously in a very different role than he's used to, but he's got 20 assists and 32 TO's so far this season.

Right now I just have to go with the thought process that those skills just didn't translate to the college level. He has shown 0 point forward skills. And it's not like hasn't had the chance to show those skills off. He has a 28 USG% and puts up 19 shots per 40. The honest truth is any time Cam has tried to put the ball on the floor, 90% of the time it ends up being a disaster. Being able to put the ball on the floor of a major aspect of being a Point forward.

He still has plenty of time to turn it around, and with his history I'm sure many (including myself) will be quicker to say he has turned around instead of just calling it a hot streak. So ya if in ACC play he is able to put the ball down an begin to create for others a little, I will probably be willing to say it was just a slow start and was just adjusting to college. But as of right now, it looks like those skills just didn't translate against college competition.

clyde21 · Post #158 » by **clyde21** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 6:43 pm

this is why I wish these guys didnt all go to the same school

Post #159 » by **Duke4life831** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 7:07 pm

clyde21 wrote:this is why I wish these guys didnt all go to the same school

As a fan and someone who likes to try and project these guys NBA careers I agree. But I think Cam was very lucky these 2 signed up later to go to Duke.

Cam being the clear cut #1 guy for a different power conference team I think could've really hurt his draft stock. I think his inability to handle contact while driving and his major inconsistencies would seem much worse than what they seem at Duke.

With this Duke team he can have a couple turnovers trying to attack. Then after that just kind of float offensively and focus on defense. I just think he can hide more and that has really helped his stock from just plummeting.

Then on the flip side, I think RJ's decision to go to Duke has hurt him. He would look a lot better if he was in a similar situation as Trae Young last year, where he could be the obvious #1 option. People could then look at the high usage and selfish play as RJ doing that out of necessity.

King Ken · Post #160 » by **King Ken** » Wed Jan 2, 2019 8:42 am

Had a chance to catch up on some games I've missed especially some key ones.

Cam is going to take time. He also might not have the potential of the others. He looks a look like a young Rudy Gay without the finishing ability and low post skill but with a jumper and range.

He is going to take some time. I don't think he is year 1 ready to start. Out of the wings in this class, I have Little and Hunter as more NBA ready right now. He is going to be my slightly low floor, high ceiling pick of this year. Last year, it was Colin Sexton. Both do things I like and I do think both are NBA talents. I just think they need time to develop but the talent and ability is there.