2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

Post #681 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:47 am

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jcsunsfan · Post #682 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:17 am

Its a great year for rookies. Epic.

juanc · Post #683 » by **juanc** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:28 am

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gh123 · Post #684 » by **gh123** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:35 am

Doncic vs. SGA 2moro, excited, both seem to have been making progress in some areas of their games. Dallas is utter trash on the road though, and if Wes defends SGA (highly likely), he'll go for at least 25, screen it.

jcsunsfan · Post #685 » by **jcsunsfan** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 1:25 pm

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Hesh · Post #686 » by **Hesh** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:15 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:

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since 1983, nice

Ayton has:

511 points
334 rebs
75 ast

Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify :lol:

Archx · Post #687 » by **Archx** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:29 pm

Hesh wrote:
Ayton has:

511 points
334 rebs
75 ast

Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify

Ayton is starting to play like a veteran center... Dude is slowly figuring out. I am incredibly impressed by his last performances.

Post #688 » by **Clyde Frazier** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:34 pm

Hesh wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

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since 1983, nice

Ayton has:

511 points
334 rebs
75 ast

Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify

The since 1983 is because that's how far basketball reference's search goes back.

IamHim · Post #689 » by **IamHim** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:41 pm

BoogieTime wrote:
IamHim wrote:
HotelVitale wrote:This has been a bad argument so far--you guys aren't listening to each other at all--but this point's going a little too far. Bagley hasn't been at best a small part of the Kings' success so the team's record is basically irrelevant. It's like saying the Sixers won the Fultz trade (or are totally happy with it) because their team improved by like 25 wins after he joined them. The team being pretty good this year has zero bearing on how good a pick Bagley was, and we all know that (including you).

Just slow down and make a real argument, Bagley will be on your team a long time and you're going to have to talk and think about his ups and downs and how well he's doing for years. Be real about all of it, better for everyone's sanity.
I wholly disagree with your likening it to Philly. Bagley has shown he can score at a high rate and rebound the ball well. He also can block some shots. I'm not saying Bagley is the main reason the Kings are doing well but he has been a key contributor. If you dont believe that, go ahead and ask any Kings fan.

Fultz didnt contribute to hardly anything for the 6ers up to this point, other than a massive headache and a s-ton of 2nd guessing.

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No, he hasn’t been

Yeah you look pretty dumb now. What's their record since he went down with injury? How bad are they getting their asses beat on the boards? It's even worse now. Smh. Bagley was most definitely an integral part of how well they were doing. Foolish to think otherwise but the results show just HOW foolish.

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Jcool0 · Post #690 » by **Jcool0** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:56 pm

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Post #691 » by **Duke4life831** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:33 pm

Ben Wallace, oh excuse me Robert Williams racked up 5 more blocks and 5 offensive boards in just 24 minutes of play.

No clue how this dude dropped out of the lottery let alone far enough for Boston to grab him.

mcmurphy · Post #692 » by **mcmurphy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:15 pm

Clyde Frazier wrote:

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I'm the big fan of Doncic but these stats are filtered ad-hoc (as always)

first 28 game of career pts/rb/ast:

MJ 695/144/124
Blake Griffin 580/344/87
Grant Hill 507/141/116
AI 619/131/187
MichaelCarterWilliams 482/159/190
...

edit:
on BBRef are recorded the first 15 games of Larry Bird
279/150/70

Archx · Post #693 » by **Archx** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:11 pm

mcmurphy wrote:
Clyde Frazier wrote:

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I'm the big fan of Doncic but these stats are filtered ad-hoc (as always)

first 28 game of career pts/rb/ast:

MJ 695/144/124
Blake Griffin 580/344/87
Grant Hill 507/141/116
AI 619/131/187
MichaelCarterWilliams 482/159/190
...

edit:
on BBRef are recorded the first 15 games of Larry Bird
279/150/70

Hmm, i might be wrong here. But the point of this article was that both were 19yo or younger, i think? And Luka did this by playing 8mpg less than LBJ as well.

sunsbg · Post #694 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:23 pm

Did all these other great players got the stats in a league where some games between average teams end 142-123 though ? Stats look really inflated nowadays.

sunsbg · Post #695 » by **sunsbg** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:35 pm

Archx wrote:
Hesh wrote:
Ayton has:

511 points
334 rebs
75 ast

Damn he needed 25 more assists, almost made it. But this is at 32 games, so he's 4 games over. Not bad though. At least he would've had almost double the amount of rebounds needed to qualify

Ayton is starting to play like a veteran center... Dude is slowly figuring out. I am incredibly impressed by his last performances.

He always played like a veteran, never forcing anything on offense, or doing stupid fouls on D. Better team play, improved conditioning(earlier many people mentioned he has looked tired during games) and simply learning the game and staying focused are the reasons for his improved play lately.

Pachinko_ · Post #696 » by **Pachinko_** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:42 pm

Ayton seems to be learning quickly.

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PhilBlackson · Post #697 » by **PhilBlackson** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:03 am

I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

spanishninja · Post #698 » by **spanishninja** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:33 am

PhilBlackson wrote:I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

Post #699 » by **VCfor3** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 4:45 am

JJJ with 396/143/115 (pts/reb/fouls)

Bob8 · Post #700 » by **Bob8** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:05 am

spanishninja wrote:
PhilBlackson wrote:I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

...and that go vise versa, I think a good comparison in terms of physical conditioning would be Doncic in 2 years vs Ayton now. Luka looks like amateur player in that department. All this young players will make improvements in next years. I was also taught in other thread that Luka being 7 months younger means a lot.

Who do you think are the best two rookies?