Why are Hawks so bad at start of 1st and 3rd Quarters?

Post #1 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:48 pm

Bad Coaching?
Low energy from players?
Great adjustments from opposing coaches?

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Thoughts?

Post #2 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 17, 2018 5:48 pm

That's a huge difference between us and the 2nd worst team in 1st quarters.

But why?

What are you guys seeing?

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macd-gm · Post #3 » by **macd-gm** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:22 pm

It's because we are playing the other team's starters and there is a huge talent gap.

Post #4 » by **Atlanta Hawk Fan** » Tue Dec 18, 2018 6:33 pm

macd-gm wrote:It's because we are playing the other team's starters and there is a huge talent gap.

It may also reflect that opposing teams take their foot off the gas a bit after curb stomping us in the prior quarter.

Post #5 » by **Jamaaliver** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:12 pm

Hawks working to eliminate ‘awful’ defense in first, third quarters

Two days later, coach Lloyd Pierce still didn’t mince words about Sunday’s “awful” defensive effort.

“Our team defense will get better when our individual defense gets better,” Pierce said Tuesday before the Hawks hosted the Wizards.

Lack of focus in the first few minutes of Sunday’s first quarter forced the Hawks to play catch-up for the rest of the first half. They eventually cut the deficit at halftime to six points after surrendering 42 first-quarter points. This isn’t a new problem for the Hawks that now have two rookies — Trae Young and Kevin Huerter — in the starting lineup. Earlier on the team’s road trip, the Hawks allowed the Celtics to start Friday’s game on a 23-5 run and total 42 points in the first quarter. The Hawks trailed by 11 at the half, then were outscored 41-26 in the third quarter, ultimately losing the game, 129-108.

The Hawks have allowed 40 or more points in a quarter 11 times this season.

With the Hawks’ specific defensive struggle in the first and third quarters, Dedmon said his team must learn to lock into the coverages early and be patient when executing their defensive scheme, especially coming out of the locker room.

Young said he thinks the answer to the defensive problems coming out of the locker room lies in better mental preparation before each game.

“I think it’s preparation, getting focused,” Young said. “It’s changing your routine to start the game. We can’t get off to a bad start.”

AJC

DRKB21 · Post #6 » by **DRKB21** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 6:56 pm

It's because this is a poorly coached, poorly managed team right now.

Sultanofatl · Post #7 » by **Sultanofatl** » Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:49 pm

I do think its coaching and scouting. No scripted coaching moves to get guys going until they settle down.

graymule · Post #8 » by **graymule** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:31 pm

They just proved that they can correct this. They must mature and learn - - and they will.

GO ATL HAWKS !!

DRKB21 · Post #9 » by **DRKB21** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:57 pm

graymule wrote::D

They just proved that they can correct this. They must mature and learn - - and they will.

GO ATL HAWKS !!

That maturation will occur over years, not weeks.

Post #10 » by **ATL Boy** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:44 pm

Coaching. Lloyd Pierce may be a good player development guy (based on his reputation), but thus far there's a lot to be left desired when it comes to his in-game coaching and his adjustments especially. Constantly getting railroaded in the 1st and especially 3rd quarters is a sign of poor coaching - I'd argue that the 3rd quarter is the one where the head coach has the most influence in the game.

jayu70 · Post #11 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:07 pm

ATL Boy wrote:Coaching. Lloyd Pierce may be a good player development guy (based on his reputation), but thus far there's a lot to be left desired when it comes to his in-game coaching and his adjustments especially. Constantly getting railroaded in the 1st and especially 3rd quarters is a sign of poor coaching - I'd argue that the 3rd quarter is the one where the head coach has the most influence in the game.

Well, he is a 1st time head coach in need of development himself with a young team (at least the players that mayter).
I did expect or defense to be better.

EazyRoc · Post #12 » by **EazyRoc** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 7:49 pm

jayu70 wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:Coaching. Lloyd Pierce may be a good player development guy (based on his reputation), but thus far there's a lot to be left desired when it comes to his in-game coaching and his adjustments especially. Constantly getting railroaded in the 1st and especially 3rd quarters is a sign of poor coaching - I'd argue that the 3rd quarter is the one where the head coach has the most influence in the game.

Well, he is a 1st time head coach in need of development himself with a young team (at least the players that mayter).
I did expect or defense to be better.

I, myself, am guilty of railing on Pierce, but you’re right. Dude is a first time head coach with the weakest roster in the league. He’s got about 10-15 more games though to show something or he goes back in the dog house.

jayu70 · Post #13 » by **jayu70** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:16 pm

EazyRoc wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
ATL Boy wrote:Coaching. Lloyd Pierce may be a good player development guy (based on his reputation), but thus far there's a lot to be left desired when it comes to his in-game coaching and his adjustments especially. Constantly getting railroaded in the 1st and especially 3rd quarters is a sign of poor coaching - I'd argue that the 3rd quarter is the one where the head coach has the most influence in the game.

Well, he is a 1st time head coach in need of development himself with a young team (at least the players that mayter).
I did expect or defense to be better.

I, myself, am guilty of railing on Pierce, but you’re right. Dude is a first time head coach with the weakest roster in the league. He’s got about 10-15 more games though to show something or he goes back in the dog house.

well as long as you're giving him those 10-15 games. :lol:

graymule · Post #14 » by **graymule** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:07 pm

DRKB21 wrote:
graymule wrote::D

They just proved that they can correct this. They must mature and learn - - and they will.

GO ATL HAWKS !!

That maturation will occur over years, not weeks.

So true. But, you must start somewhere. You didn't become a doctor over night. These baby Hawks also must learn.
And they will. Slowly but surely!!

Hazer · Post #15 » by **Hazer** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:33 pm

Rookie coaching.

Spud2nique · Post #16 » by **Spud2nique** » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:23 pm

Hazer wrote:Rookie coaching.

This!

We have our two most important roles on a basketball team being played by rookies. The guy who handles the ball...and the one that tells him what to do with it. Be patient people.

jayu70 · Post #17 » by **jayu70** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:02 am

graymule wrote:
DRKB21 wrote:
graymule wrote::D

They just proved that they can correct this. They must mature and learn - - and they will.

GO ATL HAWKS !!

That maturation will occur over years, not weeks.

So true. But, you must start somewhere. You didn't become a doctor over night. These baby Hawks also must learn.
And they will. Slowly but surely!!

Great analogy Gramps!

DRKB21 · Post #18 » by **DRKB21** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:10 am

jayu70 wrote:
graymule wrote:
DRKB21 wrote:
That maturation will occur over years, not weeks.

So true. But, you must start somewhere. You didn't become a doctor over night. These baby Hawks also must learn.
And they will. Slowly but surely!!

Great analogy Gramps!

Yes. I did 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, and 3 of residency training before I could practice medicine on my own.

11 years.

So, you are willing to wait 11 years before this team is competitive again?

MaceCase · Post #19 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:13 am

Let's not attempt to turn a figurative analogy into a literal one

While omitting the clear difference between practicing medicine and playing professional basketball.

jayu70 · Post #20 » by **jayu70** » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:36 am

DRKB21 wrote:
jayu70 wrote:
graymule wrote:
So true. But, you must start somewhere. You didn't become a doctor over night. These baby Hawks also must learn.
And they will. Slowly but surely!!

Great analogy Gramps!

Yes. I did 4 years of college, 4 years of med school, and 3 of residency training before I could practice medicine on my own.

11 years.

So, you are willing to wait 11 years before this team is competitive again?

intentionally obtuse!