Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[TroyD92]

Bucks fan, What do you guys think the chances are Ernie blows this team up? I mean Beal is obviously the best guy to keep, but he's not the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. Wall is a cancer and has a toxic contract that is basically untradeable (IMO). Would Ernie (not you guys who are actually intelligent) ever consider trading Beal? As a Bucks fan I would give up anything except Giannis to make it happen. Would capspace be something that Ernie would consider so he can take a stab at Durant?

[Eli Babak]

If Ted lets Ernie blow this team and start rebuild I will quit watching Wizards' games for good.

It's really tough situation for outsider to judge because the front office is full of morons (and the owner is too). Trading Wall is the obvious thing to do as long as you don't get pure trash in return - I still think a better coach & organization will get a lot more out of him. I guess they still see Wall as the cornerstone of the franchise and would be too ashamed to trade him for something like Jabari Parker and a 2nd. Beal is the MVP of the team and they should be looking at building the team around him but on the other hand you'd get a lot for him in a trade. Porter is probably the one who's moved because he's overpaid and they just don't get the best out of him (same with Wall - in a Celtics/Spurs/whatever system he'd be terrific).

If things don't turn brighter I'd bet they trade Porter to Sacramento for cap space/getting out of luxtax and some minor assets. They end up with 11th pick because they win useless games after allstar break and still dream about playoffs. That pick is traded for +30y veteran. Morris is signed to a 3y/30M deal and Green gets 2y contract with a player option. Ernie fires Brooks and hires Jason Kidd. They stay under luxtax and Ted's happy.

[Eli Babak]

I have too much time...

Parker + Payne + 2020 2nd
for
Wall + Green

Wall/Dunn/Harrison
LaVine/Arcidiacono/Blakeney
Hutchison/Holiday/Valentine
Markkanen/Portis/Green
Carter/Lopez/Felicio

- too many PGs but Arcidiacono's best as a 3rd PG and Harrison is a "hustle" player
- they probably should try to get something for Lopez & Holiday
- Green would be a good locker room presence specially if they trade L&H

---

Ariza
for
McLemore + 2019 2nd (the best they have)

Fox/Mason/Ferrell
Hield/Bogdanovic
Shumpert/Ariza/Jackson
Bjelica/Bagley/Labissiere
WCS/Koufos/Giles/Randolph

- they have no reason to tank because they 1) don't have their own 1st, 2) are sick of losing and 3) have three 2019 2nds

---

Morris
for
Muscala

Simmons/McConnell/Fultz
Redick/Shamet/Smith
Butler/Korkmaz
Chandler/Morris/Bolden
Embiid/Johnson/Patton

- ...Morris is from Philadelphia, yay! ...
- Morris is better at creating his own shot than Muscala and could therefore help their bench

---

Satoransky/Payne/Randle
Beal/Brown/Baker/McLemore
Porter/Dekker
Parker/Muscala
Bryant/Mahinmi/Howard

- get out of luxtax & Wall's deal, next summer build around

Satoransky
Beal
Brown
Porter/Dekker?
Bryant/Mahinmi
+ 2019 1st & 2nd
+ Howard if he's healthy and doesn't cause drama

I just want big three (Ernie, Brooks & Wall) gone! It's definitely possible to rebuild fairly easily but they're in denial and it's all about making the playoffs.

Edit: I'm sorry if someone's annoyed about my rambling because lately it's been all about firing Grunfeld, trading Wall etc. It's just a terrible time to be a fan of this team.

[pcbothwel]

Lol. No worries Eli...

The Rockets game really shows how rotten to the core this organization has gotten.
I've been holding off on trading Wall because I didnt think we would get fair value and we would therefore be no better than a middling team...

But Im done. I cant take the laziness any more
Wall & Morris must be traded and Green/Ariza should be moved to reclaim value/cut salary.

If we can trade all 4 and end up:
1) Out of tax
2) No more than 15M in additional salary next year
3) 2 top 45 2nds or 1st

We can bring back Sato, Dekker, Bryant... Sign top 10 pick & Full MLE while being under the tax

[Illmatic12]

Bucks fan, What do you guys think the chances are Ernie blows this team up? I mean Beal is obviously the best guy to keep, but he's not the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. Wall is a cancer and has a toxic contract that is basically untradeable (IMO). Would Ernie (not you guys who are actually intelligent) ever consider trading Beal? As a Bucks fan I would give up anything except Giannis to make it happen. Would capspace be something that Ernie would consider so he can take a stab at Durant?

Depsite what anyone will tell you, trading Beal or Wall is above Grunfeld's paygrade, that's a decision that would come directly from the owner. And I don't think Ted Leonsis will sign off on that midseason unless they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Grunfeld is on a 1yr contract. I expect he won't be renewed after the season, and Ted Leonsis will bring in a new GM (or possibly promote Tommy Sheppard) to orchestrate the Beal and Wall trades. Wall's trade kicker essentially becomes void starting July 1.

As far as Beal , what do the Bucks have to get him? I don't see much of anything in terms of young players/picks. Wiz would be looking for a similar return to what the Pacers got for Paul George.

[nate33]

Morris
for
Muscala

I really like this one for both teams! That's the most sensible Morris trade I've seen so far.

Follow that with Ariza to LA for KCP and a 2nd and we'll be out of the luxtax. Those are two realistic, no-brainer, Trade Deadline deals assuming we're out of the running for the playoffs.

Obviously, I'd like to unload Wall too, but trade proposals involving Wall are highly speculative because it's hard to gauge what others would pay for him.

[FAH1223]

The Kings are desperate for a SF.

But I don't think we're trading Otto to them. We wouldn't get an SF in return and Brown Jr. isn't ready.

[youngWizzy]

Morris for Sefolosha?

I don't know if Utah wants this but it would be great for us. Both are on expiring deals. Bringing in Sefolosha would allow us to play Dekker at the full time backup 4 position with Green at center and Sefolosha at the backup 3.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Brown
Ariza/Sefolosha
Porter/Dekker
Bryant/Green

[pcbothwel]

The Kings are desperate for a SF.

But I don't think we're trading Otto to them. We wouldn't get an SF in return and Brown Jr. isn't ready.

Again... Ariza is too perfect. They dont just want a wing, as they have Shump, Hield, and Bogdan... they need a LONG defender to help a young team... Ariza is PERFECT for them. Also, Ariza is from CA and he would probably welcome the trade.

Him for McLemore and a top 45 2nd round pick should be the move.

[Ruzious]

Bucks fan, What do you guys think the chances are Ernie blows this team up? I mean Beal is obviously the best guy to keep, but he's not the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. Wall is a cancer and has a toxic contract that is basically untradeable (IMO). Would Ernie (not you guys who are actually intelligent) ever consider trading Beal? As a Bucks fan I would give up anything except Giannis to make it happen. Would capspace be something that Ernie would consider so he can take a stab at Durant?

Depsite what anyone will tell you, trading Beal or Wall is above Grunfeld's paygrade, that's a decision that would come directly from the owner. And I don't think Ted Leonsis will sign off on that midseason unless they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Grunfeld is on a 1yr contract. I expect he won't be renewed after the season, and Ted Leonsis will bring in a new GM (or possibly promote Tommy Sheppard) to orchestrate the Beal and Wall trades. Wall's trade kicker essentially becomes void starting July 1.

As far as Beal , what do the Bucks have to get him? I don't see much of anything in terms of young players/picks. Wiz would be looking for a similar return to what the Pacers got for Paul George.

Yeah, I don't see a fit there for Beal going to Milwaukee - and it doesn't help that the Bucks can't trade 1sts.

[dckingsfan]

The Kings are desperate for a SF.

But I don't think we're trading Otto to them. We wouldn't get an SF in return and Brown Jr. isn't ready.

Again... Ariza is too perfect. They dont just want a wing, as they have Shump, Hield, and Bogdan... they need a LONG defender to help a young team... Ariza is PERFECT for them. Also, Ariza is from CA and he would probably welcome the trade.

Him for McLemore and a top 45 2nd round pick should be the move.

Do you think Vlade is looking for a short-term or long-term fix?

And why would they give up a 2nd if they are giving us cap relief? I guess they would value a 1/2 season rental?

[TroyD92]

Bucks fan, What do you guys think the chances are Ernie blows this team up? I mean Beal is obviously the best guy to keep, but he's not the #1 guy on a championship caliber team. Wall is a cancer and has a toxic contract that is basically untradeable (IMO). Would Ernie (not you guys who are actually intelligent) ever consider trading Beal? As a Bucks fan I would give up anything except Giannis to make it happen. Would capspace be something that Ernie would consider so he can take a stab at Durant?

Depsite what anyone will tell you, trading Beal or Wall is above Grunfeld's paygrade, that's a decision that would come directly from the owner. And I don't think Ted Leonsis will sign off on that midseason unless they're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs.

Grunfeld is on a 1yr contract. I expect he won't be renewed after the season, and Ted Leonsis will bring in a new GM (or possibly promote Tommy Sheppard) to orchestrate the Beal and Wall trades. Wall's trade kicker essentially becomes void starting July 1.

As far as Beal , what do the Bucks have to get him? I don't see much of anything in terms of young players/picks. Wiz would be looking for a similar return to what the Pacers got for Paul George.

There really isn't much from us unfortunately. Middleton would be a guy I'd gladly give up, but other than that it's Brogdon, Hill (19m expiring), and some mid tier prospects (DDV, Brown, etc).

[pcbothwel]

The Kings are desperate for a SF.

But I don't think we're trading Otto to them. We wouldn't get an SF in return and Brown Jr. isn't ready.

Again... Ariza is too perfect. They dont just want a wing, as they have Shump, Hield, and Bogdan... they need a LONG defender to help a young team... Ariza is PERFECT for them. Also, Ariza is from CA and he would probably welcome the trade.

Him for McLemore and a top 45 2nd round pick should be the move.

Do you think Vlade is looking for a short-term or long-term fix?

And why would they give up a 2nd if they are giving us cap relief? I guess they would value a 1/2 season rental?

Of course they want a long term fix, but what long term fix is available.

They have like 5-6 2nd round picks over the next two year. Not a big ask.
Also, they are sending out McLemore and his 5.5m salary. He is worse than Rivers.

The additional cost of Ariza over McLemore is about 4M. That is a huge upgrade and well worth a 2nd.

If they balk. Screw em. Somebody will gladly give us a top 45 pick and filler for Ariza.

Any non tax paying team can save us 5m in salary. We can the. Move Green/Morris to get the rest of the way if need be.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

[Dark Faze]

Of course they want a long term fix, but what long term fix is available.

They have like 5-6 2nd round picks over the next two year. Not a big ask.
Also, they are sending out McLemore and his 5.5m salary. He is worse than Rivers.

The additional cost of Ariza over McLemore is about 4M. That is a huge upgrade and well worth a 2nd.

If they balk. Screw em. Somebody will gladly give us a top 45 pick and filler for Ariza.

Any non tax paying team can save us 5m in salary. We can the. Move Green/Morris to get the rest of the way if need be.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

We're talking about big Ern here. He's not playing 4D chess. He didn't go through all this trouble for a second rounder. He wants to do whatever he can to plug the holes in this sinking ship and earn another 1 year extension.

Admittedly I'm not sure what will happen at the deadline. If we're still on page to win 31 games at that point--I don't know how you just sit and watch it happen.

[dckingsfan]

...He wants to do whatever he can to plug the holes in this sinking ship and earn another 1 year extension.

Admittedly I'm not sure what will happen at the deadline. If we're still on page to win 31 games at that point--I don't know how you just sit and watch it happen.

Ernie with the last minute shuffle - you know its coming...

[gambitx777]

Of course they want a long term fix, but what long term fix is available.

They have like 5-6 2nd round picks over the next two year. Not a big ask.
Also, they are sending out McLemore and his 5.5m salary. He is worse than Rivers.

The additional cost of Ariza over McLemore is about 4M. That is a huge upgrade and well worth a 2nd.

If they balk. Screw em. Somebody will gladly give us a top 45 pick and filler for Ariza.

Any non tax paying team can save us 5m in salary. We can the. Move Green/Morris to get the rest of the way if need be.


Sent from my iPhone using RealGM mobile app

We're talking about big Ern here. He's not playing 4D chess. He didn't go through all this trouble for a second rounder. He wants to do whatever he can to plug the holes in this sinking ship and earn another 1 year extension.

Admittedly I'm not sure what will happen at the deadline. If we're still on page to win 31 games at that point--I don't know how you just sit and watch it happen.

I would rather trade wall any where. i would like this team so much better as a beal pet project

[Dark Faze]

Beal isn't all that good either. But at least he tries.

Agreed that Wall being traded should be priority 1,2, and 3.

[trast66]

Let’s get a new coach and front office before trading Wall, Otto, of heaven forbid Brad. Let’s give these guys a chance, it’s very hard working for a bad organization for your entire career I would imagine. And no one should wants Ernie making any more decisions on personnel.

[queridiculo]

The Kings are desperate for a SF.

But I don't think we're trading Otto to them. We wouldn't get an SF in return and Brown Jr. isn't ready.

Shocked that the Wizards didn't trade Oubre to the Kings for salary cap relief, it was such an obvious move.

[nate33]

Morris for Sefolosha?

I don't know if Utah wants this but it would be great for us. Both are on expiring deals. Bringing in Sefolosha would allow us to play Dekker at the full time backup 4 position with Green at center and Sefolosha at the backup 3.

Wall/Sato
Beal/Brown
Ariza/Sefolosha
Porter/Dekker
Bryant/Green

I think it makes pretty good sense for Utah.

Thabo barely plays as it is. He has only played in half their games, and when he does play, he averages just 10 minutes. And he is spending half of his time at PF anyhow because they're short on PF's and deep at SF (Ingles, Korver, Crowder, Royce O'Neal). Utah is well under the luxtax threshold and can absorb the salary differential.

I'd probably try and buy out Sefolosha, assuming he'd leave some money on the table in order to be signed off waivers by a contending team (and thereby recoup his lost money).

The trade saves $3.35M. Buy out Sefolosha's $5.25M contract for $4.25M and we save another million. Thabo signs for a team like Philly for $1M and breaks even. We save a net of $4M plus about $6.25M in luxtax savings.