2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[Stribor]

Did all these other great players got the stats in a league where some games between average teams end 142-123 though ? Stats look really inflated nowadays.

This. I absolutely love this rookie class, and especially Doncic, but the overall statistics is almost surely inflated due to weak defense ... Instead of the raw numbers, I would more like to see percentages computed by taking the raw numbers and divided by league team averages ...

[Pachinko_]

Luka is forcing that step back too much.

[TheBonzaiEffect]

Luka is forcing that step back too much.

Weird post to make about a guy who just put up 30/5/4 on 10-20 shooting and 3-6 from deep.

[Pachinko_]

Luka is forcing that step back too much.

Weird post to make about a guy who just put up 30/5/4 on 10-20 shooting and 3-6 from deep.

**** he did too
For some reason it felt like he was missing too many, my bad

[mcmurphy]

Interesting stat of Doncic without big filtering:

Streaks with Free Throw Attempts ≥ 12, from 1983-84 to 2018-19, in rookie season, in the regular season

4x times MJ 3 games
1x D Robinson 3 games
1x Shaq 3 games
1x Stackhouse 3 games
1x Blake Griffin 3 games
1x Embiid 3 games
1x Doncic 3 games (after only 29 games)
... 2 games

[jolbin]

I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

Everyone said Euroleague level is so bad and he wont be able to score in nba..and now instantly its a good level league and he is in 2y advantage because of it?
Choose your narrative and stick to it guys

[AdagioPace]

I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

[sunsbg]

I like Ayton but Luka's bball IQ is just special.

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

[koyotee]

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

How the f*** can you be resonsible for a loss when u score 1/4 of the whole team points on 50% for 3 and on 10/20 shooting? Please explain

[Bob8]

Luka in last 5 games, 24/6.2/7.6/1.6. I just wonder, if that put him near Ingles? I guess not.

[sunsbg]

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

How the f*** can you be resonsible for a loss when u score 1/4 of the whole team points on 50% for 3 and on 10/20 shooting? Please explain

There is no logic, I agree, same is true for the claims of a few of his supporters that he caries the Mavs on his back. I should have put it in a green font I guess.

[Bob8]

I mean aside from that he also has WAY more professional experience. I think a good comparison in terms of "baseline" would be Ayton in two years vs Doncic now.

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

Yes, he singlehanded lost this game by not making 50 points with 70% FG.

[Bob8]

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

How the f*** can you be resonsible for a loss when u score 1/4 of the whole team points on 50% for 3 and on 10/20 shooting? Please explain

There is no logic, I agree, same is true for the claims of a few of his supporters that he caries the Mavs on his back. I should have put it in a green font I guess.

He’s the best scorer, second rebounder and second in assists for the Mavs. I guess that should worth something.

[sunsbg]

in that case you would be comparing a 22 years old with 2 years of NBA exp and conditioning to a 19 years old with 3 months of NBA exp, completely fair.....

I bet a 25 y.o Doncic will still be "2 years ahead" of his class..just a feeling.

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

Yes, he singlehanded lost this game by not making 50 points with 70% FG.

True, you put the standards that high on him, so I was kind of expecting it

[sunsbg]

How the f*** can you be resonsible for a loss when u score 1/4 of the whole team points on 50% for 3 and on 10/20 shooting? Please explain

There is no logic, I agree, same is true for the claims of a few of his supporters that he caries the Mavs on his back. I should have put it in a green font I guess.

He’s the best scorer, second rebounder and second in assists for the Mavs. I guess that should worth something.

But it doesn't for you when it comes to Ayton who is leading the Suns in a few categories.

[Bob8]

Doncic will be great, but let's not go that far ahead yet or if so sure than go ahead and bet all your spare money on it.

I'm feeling the need to point out he was not clutch in this one - his team led when he came back, missed two 3PT attempts and fall asleep on a defensive assignment to Gallinari. His team is on a 4 game losing streak, so if he's responsible for the wins, I guess it's the case for the loses too.

Yes, he singlehanded lost this game by not making 50 points with 70% FG.

True, you put the standards that high on him, so I was kind of expecting it

He needs just few years of conditioning and he should be there.

[Bob8]

There is no logic, I agree, same is true for the claims of a few of his supporters that he caries the Mavs on his back. I should have put it in a green font I guess.

He’s the best scorer, second rebounder and second in assists for the Mavs. I guess that should worth something.

But it doesn't for you when it comes to Ayton who is leading the Suns in a few categories.

Which except rebounding?

[sunsbg]

He’s the best scorer, second rebounder and second in assists for the Mavs. I guess that should worth something.

But it doesn't for you when it comes to Ayton who is leading the Suns in a few categories.

Which except rebounding?

Leads the starters in FG%, Holmes is a garbage points scorer, so can't really count him. But you probably don't think scoring efficiently is that important.

[Bob8]

But it doesn't for you when it comes to Ayton who is leading the Suns in a few categories.

Which except rebounding?

Leads the starters in FG%, Holmes is a garbage points scorer, so can't really count him. But you probably don't think scoring efficiently is that important.

Is there any team, whose C is not having the best Fg% of the team? Or you maybe believe that Luka whose 2 pts shots are only 20% assisted should have the same %?

[sunsbg]

Which except rebounding?

Leads the starters in FG%, Holmes is a garbage points scorer, so can't really count him. But you probably don't think scoring efficiently is that important.

Is there any team, whose C is not having the best Fg% of the team?

Is there any team, the player holding the ball most of the time is not 1st/2nd in assists ? Can go all day long using such weak logic Bye.