Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[SOUL]

The funny thing about JJ being brought up is that he is the "translatable NBA skills player" half of the forum is mad that WeHam isn't drafting in the draft instead of Isaacs or Bambas, but he too, took 3-4 years to actually develop in the league even as a rotation player and this guy was an offensive beast in college. If he wasn't drafted to a team that didn't need him to be great right away, the guy would've gotten the Mario treatment now.

The worst crimes of WeHam so far has been the rest of the non-movement with trades, and in particular, sitting on their hands in the 2nd round and not finding ANY talent despite there being quite a number of good late 1st rounders/2nd rounders in the last few years.

[MagicFan101]

I think I’ve just accepted the fact that we are the Kings of the East. 6 years into this half assed rebuild and there is still no light at the end of the tunnel. I’m just numb to it at this point. I have no faith in this joke of a front office and no faith in ownership. You know you’ve hit rock bottom when the absolute best case scenario for us fans is hoping we resign our vets and get the 8th seed the next 4 years.

We aren’t 6 years in. We are 1 year and 31 games into a rebuild of the failed Henny rebuild.

* Henny couldn’t find us a coach. I believe WeHam already has found us a good one.

* Henny made short sighted, panic moves in trades, free agency and the draft. Hate the patient approach all you want but I am happy to see it.

[darthmerrick]

I think I’ve just accepted the fact that we are the Kings of the East. 6 years into this half assed rebuild and there is still no light at the end of the tunnel. I’m just numb to it at this point. I have no faith in this joke of a front office and no faith in ownership. You know you’ve hit rock bottom when the absolute best case scenario for us fans is hoping we resign our vets and get the 8th seed the next 4 years.

We aren’t 6 years in. We are 1 year and 31 games into a rebuild of the failed Henny rebuild.

* Henny couldn’t find us a coach. I believe WeHam already has found us a good one.

* Henny made short sighted, panic moves in trades, free agency and the draft. Hate the patient approach all you want but I am happy to see it.

I'd be happy with the patient approach if that's what we were doing. You know committing to drafting a star and putting together a team through the draft and free agency. These guys are standing pat with the garbage Henny put together (6 years an counting). They are drafting projects and say they are trying to put together winners, but are keeping the same garbage players together and not being aggressive in plugging holes. If the team is complete garbage then blow it up and build around "your guys" not Henny's.

[tiderulz]

The funny thing about JJ being brought up is that he is the "translatable NBA skills player" half of the forum is mad that WeHam isn't drafting in the draft instead of Isaacs or Bambas, but he too, took 3-4 years to actually develop in the league even as a rotation player and this guy was an offensive beast in college. If he wasn't drafted to a team that didn't need him to be great right away, the guy would've gotten the Mario treatment now.

The worst crimes of WeHam so far has been the rest of the non-movement with trades, and in particular, sitting on their hands in the 2nd round and not finding ANY talent despite there being quite a number of good late 1st rounders/2nd rounders in the last few years.

JJ could have been playing faster than SVG let him. he wasnt played as a consistent starter until his 6th year. but he could have taken on a larger role before his 6-7th season.

[MagicFan101]

I think I’ve just accepted the fact that we are the Kings of the East. 6 years into this half assed rebuild and there is still no light at the end of the tunnel. I’m just numb to it at this point. I have no faith in this joke of a front office and no faith in ownership. You know you’ve hit rock bottom when the absolute best case scenario for us fans is hoping we resign our vets and get the 8th seed the next 4 years.

We aren’t 6 years in. We are 1 year and 31 games into a rebuild of the failed Henny rebuild.

* Henny couldn’t find us a coach. I believe WeHam already has found us a good one.

* Henny made short sighted, panic moves in trades, free agency and the draft. Hate the patient approach all you want but I am happy to see it.

I'd be happy with the patient approach if that's what we were doing. You know committing to drafting a star and putting together a team through the draft and free agency. These guys are standing pat with the garbage Henny put together (6 years an counting). They are drafting projects and say they are trying to put together winners, but are keeping the same garbage players together and not being aggressive in plugging holes. If the team is complete garbage then blow it up and build around "your guys" not Henny's.

“Blow it up” is easier said than done in the world of fully guaranteed contracts.

WeHam has to wait out most of the contracts they inherited.

[VFX]

We aren’t 6 years in. We are 1 year and 31 games into a rebuild of the failed Henny rebuild.

* Henny couldn’t find us a coach. I believe WeHam already has found us a good one.

* Henny made short sighted, panic moves in trades, free agency and the draft. Hate the patient approach all you want but I am happy to see it.

I'd be happy with the patient approach if that's what we were doing. You know committing to drafting a star and putting together a team through the draft and free agency. These guys are standing pat with the garbage Henny put together (6 years an counting). They are drafting projects and say they are trying to put together winners, but are keeping the same garbage players together and not being aggressive in plugging holes. If the team is complete garbage then blow it up and build around "your guys" not Henny's.

“Blow it up” is easier said than done in the world of fully guaranteed contracts.

WeHam has to wait out most of the contracts they inherited.

Yes and no. You have to get your hands dirty and take risks as a new front office. You get a window of time to blow up what hasn’t obviously worked.

They decided not to and could have done it in a variety of ways (trading valuable players, taking on bad contracts, trading picks, trading in the draft, etc) it didn’t happen. Now, that window has now come and gone and they have wasted time. The “wait and see” approach doesn’t work if the roster isn’t good enough to make the playoffs and isn’t bad enough to land top quality draft talent.

It doesn’t take 3 years to get rid of players that are on tradable contracts and bottoming out wasn’t the worst thing that could have happened as a result. Realistic fans don’t expect immediate winning results the years after a complete front office change. FOUR out of five starters are still starting today. That’s inexcusable for a GM in my opinion after inheriting a team that wasn’t capable and had multiple people fired. They could have made changes and didn’t. You are just making excuses for them.

[fklt]

after 2 off-seasons, our best starting 5 of dj/evan/ross/gordon/vuc are still all henny guys. and they are backed up by the most dysfunctional bench in the league, created by all weltman guys. 3 of those in the best 5 are on their way out this summer, and ironically there are people here still preaching patience.

I don't know how long you guys can hold on to the notion that this is all henigan's fault, until you realize currently we have one of the worst front offices in the league.

[MagicFan101]

after 2 off-seasons, our best starting 5 of dj/evan/ross/gordon/vuc are still all henny guys. and they are backed up by the most dysfunctional bench in the league, created by all weltman guys. 3 of those in the best 5 are on their way out this summer, and ironically there are people here still preaching patience.

I don't know how long you guys can hold on to the notion that this is all henigan's fault, until you realize currently we have one of the worst front offices in the league.

You have done a pretty great job of outlining reasons why patience (for a little longer) is required. So I’m not sure where your confusion is coming from.

The 4 of the 5 names you gave are Henny leftover contracts with the 5th (AG) being signed to a very trade friendly deal by WeHam.

The dysfunctional bench you mention is composed of two young WeHam draftees and mostly one year guys brought it simply to fill the roster without sacrificing long term financial stability.

You ask “how long can it be Henny’s fault.” Well, until the major contracts he locked us to are gone. A big step towards that will happen this summer, if not sooner by trade, with Vuc and Ross. We still have Evan and DJ but every team has some legacy salary.

If WeHam does not turn the Vuc and Ross expiring contracts into a positive trade or hits in free agency THEN the blame falls on WeHam. Yes, patience is still needed. However, we are fast approaching the midway point of the season. There isn’t much time left for WeHam to start moving.

[thelead]

I’m tired of talking about this trash team. It’s been the same ish for years now. We go round and round every year while incompetent people sit on their hands, trade picks away and say the draft has flattened out while we trot out Grant as our backup PG. I love the team but hate nearly anyone involved in running it.

[JF5]

Sky is always falling around here... The way the team is you'd think they're one of the worst in the league right now. Yes, they're in no man's land right now but the structure is developing the young guys the right way IMO. At the same time there is TONS of depth in free-agents and pretty good players who will be available for trade before the end of the deadline and the offseason.

[Magic_Johnny12]

We’ll be buyers come deadline I’m sure of it, don’t be surprised if we trade our pick and some for a significant upgrade.

[NSB_Magic]

It’s really just our bench.. our bench is terrible. And then the starters feel the the pressure of carrying the load.

I don’t think this roster is that terrible but God bless we need a backup point guard (or starter).

Simmons not shooting well or scoring this year has really hurt us off the bench.

I like Isaac and see his potential.. but man I still feel like that was really risky pick when Smith was still on the board.

[JF5]

We’ll be buyers come deadline I’m sure of it, don’t be surprised if we trade our pick and some for a significant upgrade.

I feel like this will happen as well. Just gotta have patience... You can't construct/re-construct a team overnight...

[EAS Law]

I’ve been back and forth, but I’d say if we are still at this level by year 3 of the WeHam era, we have problems.

Contracts have to expire and new one have to be signed before you can call our FO a failure. Hennigan gave Evan his contract as well as what is Mozgov’s now. We haven’t been in a position to play the FA market and our team has been so bad that we’ve had no trade value attach to any of our guys. Those factors are different now.

[Viper1500]

after 2 off-seasons, our best starting 5 of dj/evan/ross/gordon/vuc are still all henny guys. and they are backed up by the most dysfunctional bench in the league, created by all weltman guys. 3 of those in the best 5 are on their way out this summer, and ironically there are people here still preaching patience.

I don't know how long you guys can hold on to the notion that this is all henigan's fault, until you realize currently we have one of the worst front offices in the league.

yes but the best of the henny guys, oladipo, sabonis & tobias he traded for nothing. Hennigan was a great scout, but an awful gm.

[OrlandoNed]

We’ll be buyers come deadline I’m sure of it, don’t be surprised if we trade our pick and some for a significant upgrade.

I feel like this will happen as well. Just gotta have patience... You can't construct/re-construct a team overnight...

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

[woosah]

The funny thing about JJ being brought up is that he is the "translatable NBA skills player" half of the forum is mad that WeHam isn't drafting in the draft instead of Isaacs or Bambas, but he too, took 3-4 years to actually develop in the league even as a rotation player and this guy was an offensive beast in college. If he wasn't drafted to a team that didn't need him to be great right away, the guy would've gotten the Mario treatment now.

The worst crimes of WeHam so far has been the rest of the non-movement with trades, and in particular, sitting on their hands in the 2nd round and not finding ANY talent despite there being quite a number of good late 1st rounders/2nd rounders in the last few years.

I brought up JJ as an example of Hammond's not so great decision making. Yes we do need a JJ if we are talking drafting, but he doesn't have those in his draft history...unless you want to count Jimmer lol. He gave up Tobias for a half season of JJ, just to make the playoffs. JJ was a vet then so not sure why you went here but Tobias was up and coming and the bucks could have let him grow and maybe got better draft position. Trading for him did nothing for their future, but he got that accolade for his sorry resume doe (playoff team woo!). (turns out our FO wasn't so smart either so it didn't end up helping us, but it could have lol)

They haven't committed any crimes i guess. Well maybe getting Grant, but yeah the lack of action allows people to say this.

[SOUL]

The funny thing about JJ being brought up is that he is the "translatable NBA skills player" half of the forum is mad that WeHam isn't drafting in the draft instead of Isaacs or Bambas, but he too, took 3-4 years to actually develop in the league even as a rotation player and this guy was an offensive beast in college. If he wasn't drafted to a team that didn't need him to be great right away, the guy would've gotten the Mario treatment now.

The worst crimes of WeHam so far has been the rest of the non-movement with trades, and in particular, sitting on their hands in the 2nd round and not finding ANY talent despite there being quite a number of good late 1st rounders/2nd rounders in the last few years.

I brought up JJ as an example of Hammond's not so great decision making. Yes we do need a JJ if we are talking drafting, but he doesn't have those in his draft history...unless you want to count Jimmer lol. He gave up Tobias for a half season of JJ, just to make the playoffs. JJ was a vet then so not sure why you went here but Tobias was up and coming and the bucks could have let him grow and maybe got better draft position. Trading for him did nothing for their future, but he got that accolade for his sorry resume doe (playoff team woo!). (turns out our FO wasn't so smart either so it didn't end up helping us, but it could have lol)

They haven't committed any crimes i guess. Well maybe getting Grant, but yeah the lack of action allows people to say this.

Not a response to your post necessarily or even defending WeHam, just hearing a lot of length jokes in the thread but most of the people here were fine with the picks during draft night because of ceiling and because we needed talent regardless of fit. Just saying that the "offense ready" players are not easy to find, and even the ones that do great in college don't pan out right away. Which is why we need patience for young guys that aren't even as good as those guys on offense who, to make matters worse, are barely playing with any sort of PG.

[drsd]

The last time the Magic scored 100 points will be seven games ago when the Heat game tips-off.

The last time the Magic scored 100 AND won the game was against Miami. So: Beat the Heat!

[Skybox]

The funny thing about JJ being brought up is that he is the "translatable NBA skills player" half of the forum is mad that WeHam isn't drafting in the draft instead of Isaacs or Bambas, but he too, took 3-4 years to actually develop in the league even as a rotation player and this guy was an offensive beast in college. If he wasn't drafted to a team that didn't need him to be great right away, the guy would've gotten the Mario treatment now.

The worst crimes of WeHam so far has been the rest of the non-movement with trades, and in particular, sitting on their hands in the 2nd round and not finding ANY talent despite there being quite a number of good late 1st rounders/2nd rounders in the last few years.

Really good point...other side is that it's an argument against the crapshoot that is the draft. Trade picks for guys who've done it in the NBA. Downside is the cost vs. rookie contract...Just for example, if you somehow get CJ - you KNOW he will go for 22ppg immediately. Not only is patient tanking infuriating for fans but it's the farthest thing from a solid bet. (not to start that debate up...good analysis, SOUL")