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Baez might be too tall!
So_Fresh wrote:Trade arguably one of your best starting pitchers and one that is liked by the city and your fans for a couple of mid-tier prospects who may or may not pan out in the majors. Brilliant idea!
Look to solidify the rotation not break it up. Idiots running this organization.
SharoneWright wrote:But, but HDMH!
Schad wrote:So_Fresh wrote:Trade arguably one of your best starting pitchers and one that is liked by the city and your fans for a couple of mid-tier prospects who may or may not pan out in the majors. Brilliant idea!
Look to solidify the rotation not break it up. Idiots running this organization.
What matters is years of team control. Stroman is only here for two more years, and we're likely to be pretty bad in those two years with or without him. He's been a good but not spectacular starter, and after those two years we'd be looking at extending him for his age 30 to whatever seasons, which is pretty risky.
So_Fresh wrote:
What makes you think Stroman is only here for two seasons? Have you talked to him? Do you know his plans?
Stroman loves the city and the fans. I'd take the risk to signing him (to an extension.) if he can show that he is a good pitcher these next two seasons. If it doesn't pan out then we move on after the 2 seasons. He's still 28. I think he still has something to prove and that last year was a one-off. His pitching repertoire is too good to take a chance at a trade and for the prospects being mentioned.
Tulowitzki, 34, then missed all of 2018 after undergoing surgery to remove bone spurs from both heels, but he is again working out and is said to be in good shape. Naturally, teams are willing to take a look, knowing they can sign Tulowitzki for the minimum salary; the Blue Jays released him last week despite owing him $38 million for the final two years of his contract.
The Pirates — under Clint Hurdle, Tulowitzki’s former manager with the Rockies — are one team with interest, according to major-league sources. The Yankees might be a possibility if they fail to sign Machado and want a low-cost stopgap while Gregorius is out in the early part of the season.
The Cubs plan to scout Tulowitzki, as reported by FanCred’s Jon Heyman, but they would want him only as a utility player, and not as a potential replacement for shortstop Addison Russell, sources said. Even in that role, their interest might be muted — the team is strongly pursuing free-agent infielder Daniel Descalso, sources said.
Contrary to earlier reports, the Athletics are not interested in Tulowitzki. The team is set with Marcus Semien at short and interested in acquiring a true second baseman if it loses free agent Jed Lowrie. Tulowitzki is willing to play second or third, but all 1,033 of his defensive appearances in the majors have been at shortstop.
Schad wrote:So_Fresh wrote:
What makes you think Stroman is only here for two seasons? Have you talked to him? Do you know his plans?
Stroman loves the city and the fans. I'd take the risk to signing him (to an extension.) if he can show that he is a good pitcher these next two seasons. If it doesn't pan out then we move on after the 2 seasons. He's still 28. I think he still has something to prove and that last year was a one-off. His pitching repertoire is too good to take a chance at a trade and for the prospects being mentioned.
He's only here for two seasons before we have to gamble on him leaving in free agency. Trust me: every player seems like they really care about the city and fans until someone else offers more money.
SharoneWright wrote:MLB pushed to raise the bottom of the strike zone last year. It killed Stroman when he could actually take the mound, between shoulder fatigue and blister issues.... Marcus has literally no swing and miss stuff (I have no data), but relies on a VERY narrow window at the bottom of the zone for batters to drive his sinker into the ground for ground outs. With a higher zone, he relies on batters to nibble at low balls out of the zone or surrender more walks. When he raises that sinker 3+inches, it's meatball city.
BigLeagueChew wrote:SharoneWright wrote:MLB pushed to raise the bottom of the strike zone last year. It killed Stroman when he could actually take the mound, between shoulder fatigue and blister issues.... Marcus has literally no swing and miss stuff (I have no data), but relies on a VERY narrow window at the bottom of the zone for batters to drive his sinker into the ground for ground outs. With a higher zone, he relies on batters to nibble at low balls out of the zone or surrender more walks. When he raises that sinker 3+inches, it's meatball city.
HIs ERA climbed into the 5's last season but is FIP/XFIP remain in the 3.5 to 4.00 range, as long as that remains he's worth something but he's always been a pitcher without luck on his side. Alot of hits that sneak in between fielders and high babip.
https://eastvillagetimes.com/2018/12/an-analysis-of-padres-possible-trade-target-marcus-stroman/When Stroman is at his best, he’s pitching over 200 innings, walking at or less than two batters per nine innings, and inducing many ground balls.
Clearly, Stroman’s ability to generate ground balls is a skill that allows him to pitch more innings than many other pitchers. His high number of innings pitched during the 2016-17 seasons, provided the Blue Jays with 6.8 fWAR in value. As we can see from his FIP values above, Stroman pitched only slightly worse last season, in comparison to previous seasons in which he accumulated more fWAR. Aside from walking more hitters, Stroman largely was more unlucky on batted balls and didn’t get as much help from his defense in 2018. For the most part, there is little to worry about with regard to his most recent campaign.
If Stroman is healthy for a full season, he could be a highly effective pitcher for the Padres. Clearly, his stuff is special, and he is capable of being a top of the rotation type starter.
Schad wrote:The question is whether, assuming a bounceback in 2019 and 2020, his 30s are going to be worth something like $100-120m over 5, and whether there's really any point keeping him through two rebuilding years (at the cost of significant prospect capital) in the hopes that it'll give us a better shot at paying him $100-120m, as that's effectively what we would be doing.
