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Post#941 » by GoodBehavior » Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:46 pm

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Frank Lee wrote:Ayton needs 20-30 lbs more bulk ... he can carry it.
Right now, he shrinks when he has to go against big dudes like Adams and Boban etc. he’s used to being the biggest. I hope he’s hitting the weight and dining room. He’ll get better as he gets stronger and learns how to establish position.... I don’t think the guy will ever get intense but at least he won’t be so squeezable

I'm sure the team is pressing for the highest test dosage they possibly can for him through the medical staff. He will gain some weight. I think 30 might be a bit much though. On the other side of the coin, I think a pg would make him look like world beater, along with another year of experience.


ayton has excellent frame, so 30lb is possible and achievable if he wants to. 30lb will push him towards ~300lb, that's Orlando Magic Shaq. ayton would be close to unstoppable. I am not sure if he wants to be that big though. Going back to his UA days, he seems averse to being so big. I think 15lb is more realistic, that would put him at Joel's size, hopefully w/minimal fat gain and no health detriments that plagued Joel.

A year of experience would do wonder. His development this year so far has been decent. Not eye popping, but respectable. For example, he drove left against the Knicks on one play and pull up for a jumper against very tight coverage. He wouldn't have been able to do that earlier in the year when he had no left handle. His defensive awareness still needs some work but it's getting noticeably better. And his shooting stroke needs to recapture some of its earlier magic. It looks very flat lately compared to the beautiful arc earlier in the season. There's a clip of him and the staff expanding his range out to the 3. Doesn't make sense to me when he's struggling with his mid range. But I'll give Igor the benefit of the doubt here.

People (general NBA fans) think his ceiling is Karl-Anthony Towns or a better Kanter. I don't see it, watching him against Kanter and Karl-Anthony Towns, I think he's already better than Kanter and should exceed Karl-Anthony very soon here. Karl-Anthony is incredibly skilled. But he's noticeably weak despite his large upper body. He moves terribly on defense, as if he has clown-feet. It's very strange how fluid he looks driving north/south on offense but look so clumsily backpedaling on defense.
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Post#942 » by Hesh » Thu Dec 20, 2018 2:03 pm

Ayton is leading the league in REB Chance % for starting centers

But he's not getting as many rebounding chances as the other guys, which skews the stats a little bit. He'll need to get himself in better position for more rebounding chances.

He's doing okay getting those contested rebounds, though.

REB Chance %
(68.7%) Deandre Ayton
(67.6%) DeAndre Jordan
(64.4%) Andre Drummond
(64.3%) Clint Capela
(62.8%) Kevin Love
(62.7%) Rudy Gobert
(62.4%) Anthony Davis
(61.9%) Nikola Jokic
(60.8%) Karl Anthony Towns
(59.1%) Joel Embiid
(51.4%) Steven Adams

REB Chances
(24.1) Andre Drummond
(22.4) Joel Embiid
(21.5) Kevin Love
(20.4) DeAndre Jordan
(19.8) Anthony Davis
(19.8) Steven Adams
(19.7) Rudy Gobert
(19.4) Karl Anthony Towns
(18.2) Clint Capela
(16.4) Nikola Jokic
(15.3) Deandre Ayton

Contested Reb % [ A rebound where an opponent is within 3.5 feet of the rebounder ]
(50.7%) Andre Drummond
(48.1%) Steven Adams
(45.5%) Anthony Davis
(41.3%) Clint Capela
(39.5%) Karl Anthony Towns
(36.8%) Deandre Ayton
(36.7%) Nikola Jokic
(34.4%) DeAndre Jordan
(34.2%) Rudy Gobert
(33.6%) Joel Embiid
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Post#944 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:42 pm

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I really like the bond him and Holmes appear to be forming. At first I was thinking it's kind of funny that a 25 year old Holmes seems like such a good mentor for Ayton but then I realized that Holmes at 25 probably has a lot more in common and is easier to relate to for a 20 year old in Ayton than someone in their mid 30's. I'm in my late 30's and honestly I'm in such a different place in my life than I was in my early to mid 20's I would have a hard time relating to someone that age. Not only is Holmes style of play a good influence on Ayton from an effort standpoint I also think he brings good perspective on what it take to stick in the league as a small school guy who a 2nd round pick. Guys like that learn early on you can't take anything for granted and you need to fight for your career.
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Post#945 » by Saberestar » Fri Dec 21, 2018 11:49 am

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He has been crazy good for the last three games and his overall defense is way better than one month ago.
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Post#946 » by Fo-Real » Fri Dec 21, 2018 2:13 pm

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He has been crazy good for the last three games and his overall defense is way better than one month ago.


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Post#947 » by WeekapaugGroove » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:56 pm

It does seem that he's processing things a little quicker on d. Having better d in front of him on perimeter certainly helps too.

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Post#948 » by jcsunsfan » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:19 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:It does seem that he's processing things a little quicker on d. Having better d in front of him on perimeter certainly helps too.

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When the entire defense in front of you is better, it is a lot easier to switch out and help effectively. Good PG defense gives everyone else a split second more time to react.
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Post#949 » by Domejandro » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:13 am

(Previously posted on the General Board).

Domejandro wrote:First player since Gary Payton on January 4th, 1995 to go 14/14 from the field, making him the only other player to accomplish this in the three-point era. Additionally, trailing Mark Olberding in 1977 (who was three months from turning 21), Thomas Bryant is the second youngest player in NBA History to go without a miss while shooting ten shots or more from the field.



Multiple huge plays that clenched the victory for his team in Triple Overtime.

People immediately pointed toward Deandre Ayton as being the one to blame, so I thought I would individually watch each basket and dictate who is to blame for each one. Forewarning, this is relatively critical of Suns players, and only addresses the direct scoring output of Thomas Bryant; this is not a full-encompassing defensive breakdown. That said, here we go!




Basket 1: Mikal Bridges does not get through the screen, the team collapses, but Thomas Bryant finishes in traffic (that said, Deandre Ayton's weak reach was unimpressive from an optics standpoint).

Basket 2: Deandre Ayton gets caught ball-watching, completely losing his man on the baseline. Horrendous.

Basket 3: Mikal Bridges contests Bradley Beal, but completely neglects to box-out the shooter. Deandre Ayton does an excellent wall-up, which leads to Bradley Beal dropping off to Thomas Bryant for the dunk. Deandre Ayton made the right decision on this play, he showed good fundamentals.

Basket 4: ....Wow, gets pump-faked by a sub-24% three-point shooter. Terrible footwork, gets blown by immediately.

Basket 5: Goes for the rebound instead of staying in a proper box-out stance. Shamelessly ball-watches once he misses the rebound.

Basket 6: Deandre Ayton, T.J. Warren, and Devin Booker would have all been benched by me here if I was the coach. They should be **** embarrassed with themselves for being that lazy running back on defense.

Basket 7: Deandre Ayton stunts on the ball-handler (Bradley Beal) on the pick-and-roll action, but completely leaves his man in the process. Terrible recovery by Deandre Ayton on this play, this specific play (as seen later) is not a byproduct of switch-action, but rather poor fundamentals.

Basket 8: Deandre Ayton did and excellent job rotating and contesting the three-point shot by Bradley Beal. Jamal Crawford completely failed to help rotate into the paint for the rebound. Deandre Ayton's ball-watching after the shot comes into effect again though, with Bradley Beal disengaging down the court, Deandre Ayton has to run down court to try to establish the mismatch offensively in the future. That is not a defensive gripe, rather than an awareness gripe, to be clear.

Basket 9: Deandre Ayton switches onto Tomáš Satoranský and applies ball pressure, which is good, but his poor footwork comes in play again. He knows his man is rolling to the basket, Deandre Ayton should have walled-up on Tomáš Satoranský to deny the drop-off, rather than reaching. Additionally, Kelly Oubre did a terrible job helping the helper. Game-plan wise, it is not egregious to stay in range of contesting Bradley Beal (which is understandable), but Kelly Oubre is in this terrible "no-man's land" of not contesting the roller, while being out of position to flare back out to his man; you have to pick one or the other. That said, none of this would have happened had Devin Booker not lazily flopped, so this play is somewhat moot.

Basket 10: Horrible defensive stance by Kelly Oubre, which leaves Deandre Ayton out to dry. 100% the fault of Kelly Oubre, he was very fortunate to not be called for a foul. T.J. Warren also gets caught in the "no-man's land" I discussed earlier, but blaming him for this play would be ludicrous.

Basket 11: Deandre Ayton gets caught ball-watching again, jumping for no reason, allowing for Tomáš Satoranský to easily drop the ball off to Thomas Bryant for the wide-open dunk. Devin Booker shouldn't have jumped, but that has nothing to do with Deandre Ayton's mistake.

Basket 12: The play call is for Jamal Crawford to rotate from the weak-side to contest Thomas Bryant (which he did a terrible job of), so it is Kelly Oubre's job to double here, even if I 100% disagree with it. He should be switching in this scenario, in my opinion. I dislike this play-call, especially given that the defensively inept Jamal Crawford is the weak-side defender in this situation. That said, Deandre Ayton pushed off with his left hand on Thomas Bryant's shot attempt, he was very fortunate to not be called for his sixth foul there.

Here is my initial breakdown of the play, before I rewatched for the tenth time and noticed a pattern.
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Maybe Kelly Oubre messed up and a switch is called there, but this play really looks like Deandre Ayton slipped up and failed to recover after the contain. He also should have been called for a foul, look at his left hand push Thomas Bryant on the shot attempt; that would have been a very dumb foul. That said, I would assess the blame to Kelly Oubre, he should have the awareness to just rotate in that situation. EDIT: After watching basket thirteen.... I would have to be in the huddle to know, but yeah, this is actually Kelly Oubre failing to rotate, the first part can be partially disregarded EDIT2: Watching the following play made this edit completely moot.


Free-Throws (at this point Deandre Ayton is fouled out): Dislike this play-call (this is what made me realize my mistake on Basket 12), nothing Devin Booker can realistically do in this situation, albeit he should have walled up better.

Basket 13: Kelly Oubre is allergic to boxing-out (Devin Booker should have helped as well), what a dreadful defensive display on this possession. Excellent defense by Richaun Holmes on Bradley Beal's drive though.

Basket 14: Disjointed play, so take the criticism with a grain of salt, but Kelly Oubre gets caught ball-watching on this possession, and T.J. Warren unfortunately ran up court (though he likely would have been out of the play anyways, this completely took him out of the possession). Not T.J. Warren's fault in that specific instance, that is just an unfortunate situation that ended in catastrophe because Kelly Oubre is a mess defensively. Excellent job by Jamal Crawford to not foul there.
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Post#950 » by DirtyDez » Sun Dec 23, 2018 6:55 am

I’ve been very critical of Ayton’s D but when Booker/Crawford play a combined 90 minutes the “rim protector” is guaranteed to foul out.
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Post#952 » by Bold814 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:13 am

Why is it so quiet in here when Ayton has a beast of a game?


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Post#953 » by bwgood77 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:54 am

Bold814 wrote:Why is it so quiet in here when Ayton has a beast of a game?


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I think it's mostly quiet because we blew last night's game and tonight's wasn't close, combined with the holidays and NFL. He has has 17 or 18 rebounds in each of his last 3, which is pretty amazing. Those hook shots were looking nice too. Nice to see 3 blocks as well. And a couple steals.
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Post#954 » by Bogyo » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:16 am

Once the Suns are playing around .500 Ayton is a lock for the ASG for a long loooooong time. 10+ years. Book it.
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Post#956 » by Saberestar » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:38 pm

Really proud and happy with the way Ayton is playing in the last couple of weeks. He has improved a lot.

He has been A MONSTER in the last five, I mean, he is playing like an All Star for the last five games and we are yet not even on the middle of his rookie season.
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Post#957 » by darmani » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:20 am

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Post#958 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:29 am

He definitely looks great on D in all those clips. I've seen quite a few glimpses of things like this that I never saw earlier this season or in college, so that's a great sign.
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Post#959 » by thamadkant » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:01 am

Ayton is Not a bad defender at all.
As mentioned many many times now... It's his unwillingness to leave his man and help from the weak side... That's his issue rim protection wise.

He would be averaging close to 3.5 blocks a game if he actually leaves his man and drop down aggressively for blocks or if he doesn't hesitate on blocking slasher like Kyrie around him.
Admiral back in the days actually challenged a lot of shot he was in proximity with... Mourning challenged everything even if he was going to be posterized and so did Mutombo...

Ayton is a temperament away from averaging three times as much blocks as he does now


He is a decent defender and good perimeter defending big
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Post#960 » by bwgood77 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:08 pm

thamadkant wrote:Ayton is Not a bad defender at all.
As mentioned many many times now... It's his unwillingness to leave his man and help from the weak side... That's his issue rim protection wise.

He would be averaging close to 3.5 blocks a game if he actually leaves his man and drop down aggressively for blocks or if he doesn't hesitate on blocking slasher like Kyrie around him.
Admiral back in the days actually challenged a lot of shot he was in proximity with... Mourning challenged everything even if he was going to be posterized and so did Mutombo...

Ayton is a temperament away from averaging three times as much blocks as he does now


He is a decent defender and good perimeter defending big


He's certainly getting better. It's great to see Igor getting through to him on that end and him taking to the coaching, putting in the work and studying to get better.

The reason he is unwilling to leave his man is a big part of what has made him poor. Once he learns when he must leave his man because it's the right thing to do in that situation, which, when guy is going in for a layup, is most all the time, then it's the right move, even if the guy end up dumping it back to his man (though he should be able to make that tough with good positioning). But those videos and a few other times in recent play show he is getting a lot better at it, so hopefully it becomes instinctual.

He also shouldn't get too far from the paint often with proper switching,by being close enough to bother an outside shot, or recover to the rim in time if needed. There have also been too many times a guy can blow by him for a layup...and in this case if he could still chase and try to block from behind him it could help. He's certainly been improving, so that's a very good sign.

He's never been a good rim protector at all, evidenced by his terribly low defensive FG% from under 10 feet , and especially under 6 ft (but also something you can easily see by having watched him), but those numbers have been improving as well...hopefully that continues, and I think it will.

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