Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[thebuzzardman]

Rookie contract like a lot of young players. At that point, it should be pretty obvious either way. I guess there are cases where it still feels like a coin toss in terms up trending up/down, which then I supposed is sorted out based on who else is on the roster, roster construction, potential deals etc.

[thebuzzardman]

Also, IBTEntiretopicdevolvesintoanepicsh*tshow

[spree2kawhi]

Frank is a guy who looks great on a good team and looks terrible on a bad team. He's a beta and we need alphas so if a right deal comes along, I'd trade him.

You're mistaking him with KP though.

Frank is a good role player on any team. He's a keeper, that defense is already top notch and I'm not going by reputation here.

[MaseInYourFace]

Evaluating him up to end of his rookie contract seems fair. Personally my mind is pretty made up on Frank at this point though. I think his ceiling is a defense first role player that can hit open jumpers with time. Very limited offensively. Not that they can't keep him beyond his rookie deal but just don't see a big ceiling there.

[MaseInYourFace]

I wonder if the team or the fans have the patience for a player like him. I’m not saying he will be anywhere near as good but Steve Nash really didn’t start dominating till he was 30. He didn’t even break 10ppg till he was 26 or 10apg till he was 30. There are still flashes but also a lot of disappointment. What I worry most about him is his ability to freelance and see the game 2+ steps ahead.

Right now he feels like he is still learning the game. I think that’s what Fiz wants most from him to to feel the game not think it. He kinda reminds me of someone learning to play an instrument. He knows the theory of what to do but he doesn’t trust enough to play without looking at the keys/ strings. On defense you can see he just flows, especially last year.

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Hopefully Fitz can figure him out before it’s too late otherwise the Knicks will have just wasted a pick and the potential of a possible DPOY level player.

People probably think I'm being petty but I hate comps like that. Nash started out from a much better base then Frank. Frank needs a lot of work still just to get to that base. It's a massive climb for him.

[Ray Williams]

I’d like to see Frank in a team without players that are chuckers and defensive liabilities. You put him on the floor with no one else that plays defense and it’s a no win situation.

[Galou]

Part of me wants to keep him and see how he develops. That part of me is wearing thin. If he doesnt develop into something food before feb 2020, cut him. Cant wait that long on a developing prospect. Some got it and some dont. How long are we suppose to wait for a developing prospect? 3 years is enough for me. Frank Nitty need to snap out of it and learn quick. I'll give him one mor year, that's it. If theres no progress before the trade deadline in feb 2020, he gots to go

[BallSacBounce]

He's 20. Give this young man some time.

[Sprewell4Three]

It’s just alarming that he can barely avg 5 points a game against very bad teams. But oh well, I guess some players develop slower then others.

[1999]

What makes Frank so polarizing is the fact people bring up all these advanced analytics to say that he’s good or having an impact on the game but he’s absolutely **** right now. I’d be more inclined to accept him if we could all come to a consensus and admit he still has A LOT of work to do. But to keep bashing Fiz for not playing a guy 30 mins who has done NOTHING to earn consistent minutes really pisses me off. Lastly, what Mudiay does has nothing to do with Frank. Every game you see the obligatory “Frank should’ve got more mins instead of mudiay” post. Maybe if Frank earned the starting spot like Mudiay did, he would. Be mad at Mills/Perry if that’s the case, but don’t suggest Fiz is an idiot for running the team the way he has to so he won’t lose the team.


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[1999]

He's 20. Give this young man some time.

I don’t buy the age excuse for any player. He’s just not very good. Lots of players throughout history have shown more than Frank has at age 20. Does that mean he will be a bust, no. But age really doesn’t have anything to do with it. Show us something Frank.


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[1999]

It’s just alarming that he can barely avg 5 points a game against very bad teams. But oh well, I guess some players develop slower then others.

Right. Zero improvement from rookie year is very alarming to me. He gets one more offseason imo to show something.


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[BallSacBounce]

He's 20. Give this young man some time.

I don’t buy the age excuse for any player. He’s just not very good. Lots of players throughout history have shown more than Frank has at age 20. Does that mean he will be a bust, no. But age really doesn’t have anything to do with it. Show us something Frank.


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[fatalogic]

I wonder if the team or the fans have the patience for a player like him. I’m not saying he will be anywhere near as good but Steve Nash really didn’t start dominating till he was 30. He didn’t even break 10ppg till he was 26 or 10apg till he was 30. There are still flashes but also a lot of disappointment. What I worry most about him is his ability to freelance and see the game 2+ steps ahead.

Right now he feels like he is still learning the game. I think that’s what Fiz wants most from him to to feel the game not think it. He kinda reminds me of someone learning to play an instrument. He knows the theory of what to do but he doesn’t trust enough to play without looking at the keys/ strings. On defense you can see he just flows, especially last year.

Watch on YouTube

Hopefully Fitz can figure him out before it’s too late otherwise the Knicks will have just wasted a pick and the potential of a possible DPOY level player.

People probably think I'm being petty but I hate comps like that. Nash started out from a much better base then Frank. Frank needs a lot of work still just to get to that base. It's a massive climb for him.

Notice I said I don’t think he will be anywhere near as good. It’s more about it took Nash 8+ years to become the player he is known as. People are giving up on Frank 2 years in and 2 years younger than where Nash started.

[MaseInYourFace]

It’s just alarming that he can barely avg 5 points a game against very bad teams. But oh well, I guess some players develop slower then others.

Right. Zero improvement from rookie year is very alarming to me. He gets one more offseason imo to show something.


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He's shown improvements but very sporadically. There's moves he's shown he can do now that he wasn't doing his first season.

[2010]

I voted option 2. But I ain't opposed to moving him in the right deal.

The offensive struggle I am willing to live with and see if it can be developed. But what is worrisome to me is how quickly he loses confidence. He seems to lack assuredness and mental toughness.

Lastly, over the last some-odd games even his defense is seeing some slippage. He been getting beat off the dribble by the likes of TJ McConnell and the levitated spirit in memory of Vince Carter. That's not even counting the way he was used by the fossil of Tony Parker as well. And at the complete other end of the spectrum of old, he couldn't slow down Trae Young last game either.

He just doesn't seem very good at either side of the ball at the moment. And it's likely due to his confidence being shot. When his confidence is down he stinks all over. He so frustrated he started jawing with the ref (lady ref) last game and he was almost begging for a tech. First time I seen him that flustered.

[Fat Kat]

I’d be happy him developing into a Doug Christie type of player

[Cookies4Life]

If he sucks as much as some people assume he does, than play him heavy minutes and have him be one of the team's tank commanders.

If he happens to show improvement going through his lumps, than we have ourselves a guy who will be a staple for our core.

I personally think the kid has the potential to be very special; he just has to keep working on his weaknesses and continue to transition from his Euro-style way of playing (make the right passes, minimal isolation attempts, etc.) into how the league operates. Worse case he's going to be a 3 and d guy but I still have very high hopes for his future as long as he maintains confidence in his ability and if this staff is as proficient as they say they are with how they're able to develop the young guys.

[Dantares]

He is going to be good once he gets a consistent jumpshot.

[duetta]

Depends what his current value is - but I just don't see him as a prototypical point guard in a non-triangle system. He doesn't seek to break down a defense, penetrate, and dish off to his teammates.

And, as of today, he doesn't shoot well enough to be an off-guard.

If he significantly improves the consistency of his shooting, I could see him being a solid rotational piece on a good team - but not a point guard (unless playing along side a point forward like Lebron or Pippin).

His defense is great, but I don't see a position at the moment for him on offense.