Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

MagicFan101 · Post #801 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:23 pm

Everyone has their own opinion of how things should be done and in what time. That is fine. We can disagree. That is what time place is for.

But I will depart the conversation with these observations:

* We are just 2 games behind the #6 seed for the anti-tankers.

* We are just 2 games ahead of the #6 lottery odds for the pro-tankers.

* We could have over $25M this summer in free agency.

* We have a lot of expiring money between two players having great years and will attract trade interest.

* We seem to finally have found a coach capable of developing our young players.

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Sorry, I just can’t panic yet. We have a lot of flexibility. Let’s see where it goes.

OrlandoDream · Post #802 » by **OrlandoDream** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:31 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Everyone has their own opinion of how things should be done and in what time. That is fine. We can disagree. That is what time place is for.

But I will depart the conversation with these observations:

* We are just 2 games behind the #6 seed for the anti-tankers.

* We are just 2 games ahead of the #6 lottery odds for the pro-tankers.

* We could have over $25M this summer in free agency.

* We have a lot of expiring money between two players having great years and will attract trade interest.

* We seem to finally have found a coach capable of developing our young players.

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Sorry, I just can’t panic yet. We have a lot of flexibility. Let’s see where it goes.

How much better do you think we will be next season with a top 5 pick or resign Tross and Vuc? We already have two underdeveloped rook and soph who weltham are banking to be the franchise saviors. I dont see anyone in the top 5 that an come in next year and have an immediate impact like luka. RJ maybe? He will most likely go 1 or 2 latest.

Its going tobe interesting what this FO does because there is no one clear direction

MagicFan101 · Post #803 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:44 pm

OrlandoDream wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Everyone has their own opinion of how things should be done and in what time. That is fine. We can disagree. That is what time place is for.

But I will depart the conversation with these observations:

* We are just 2 games behind the #6 seed for the anti-tankers.

* We are just 2 games ahead of the #6 lottery odds for the pro-tankers.

* We could have over $25M this summer in free agency.

* We have a lot of expiring money between two players having great years and will attract trade interest.

* We seem to finally have found a coach capable of developing our young players.

———————————————————————

Sorry, I just can’t panic yet. We have a lot of flexibility. Let’s see where it goes.

How much better do you think we will be next season with a top 5 pick or resign Tross and Vuc? We already have two underdeveloped rook and soph who weltham are banking to be the franchise saviors. I dont see anyone in the top 5 that an come in next year and have an immediate impact like luka. RJ maybe? He will most likely go 1 or 2 latest.

Its going tobe interesting what this FO does because there is no one clear direction

There is no clear direction ... to the public! That doesn’t mean they lack a plan. I mean, what do you expect them to do? Write it on a white board, take a picture and broadcast it to the world! :wink:

But back to your question. Don’t get me wrong. Creating options and flexibility is not their job. It’s a helpful stage in the process but ultimately they have to deliver. There are some interesting wing players expected to go in the #5-10 range as well as one PG I really like. I also like a few names in the free agent PG market. WeHam has done a good job of putting us in position to target a number of strategies here. We won’t (and more importantly CAN NOT!) know if it works until late summer 2019.

basketballRob · Post #804 » by **basketballRob** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 10:45 pm

I'd like to see them try to get the rookies involved. They could just give Isaac the ball at the top of the key and tell him to get his shot like 20 times one game and see what he could do.

They could make it a goal to get Bamba 10 3 point shots. Usually his shots aren't by design, they happen when the play breaks down and they dish it out.

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JF5 · Post #805 » by **JF5** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:27 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
JF5 wrote:
Magic_Johnny12 wrote:We’ll be buyers come deadline I’m sure of it, don’t be surprised if we trade our pick and some for a significant upgrade.

I feel like this will happen as well. Just gotta have patience... You can't construct/re-construct a team overnight...

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

MoMM · Post #806 » by **MoMM** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:30 pm

OrlandoDream wrote: I dont see anyone in the top 5 that an come in next year and have an immediate impact like luka. RJ maybe? He will most likely go 1 or 2 latest.

Zion? We can get lucky in the lottery.

fklt · Post #807 » by **fklt** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:34 pm

net ratings of all lineups has 50 mins or more, grouped by with isaac, and without isaac. not pretty. even the starters who are pretty good with almost all combinations, become negative with him.

without
+18.3 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon
+5.7 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .W. Iwundu
+4.0D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon
+2.5T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .A. Gordon, .J. Grant, .M. Bamba

with
-38.0 T. Ross, .J. Simmons, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-12.8 T. Ross, .E. Fournier, .J. Grant, .J. Isaac, .M. Bamba
-2.6 D. Augustin, .N. Vucevic, .E. Fournier, .A. Gordon, .J. Isaac

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753&CF=MIN*G*50

MagicFan101 · Post #808 » by **MagicFan101** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:35 pm

MoMM wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote: I dont see anyone in the top 5 that an come in next year and have an immediate impact like luka. RJ maybe? He will most likely go 1 or 2 latest.

Zion? We can get lucky in the lottery.

Check out Ja Morant. Most have him going between #5-10 at the moment which could fall right in our lap.

There is also a wave of SG-SF prospects in that range.

This class lacks the obvious star power (outside of RJ and Zion) but that doesn’t mean there aren’t interesting names to watch outside top 5.

tiderulz · Post #809 » by **tiderulz** » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:51 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
MoMM wrote:
OrlandoDream wrote: I dont see anyone in the top 5 that an come in next year and have an immediate impact like luka. RJ maybe? He will most likely go 1 or 2 latest.

Zion? We can get lucky in the lottery.

Check out Ja Morant. Most have him going between #5-10 at the moment which could fall right in our lap.

There is also a wave of SG-SF prospects in that range.

This class lacks the obvious star power (outside of RJ and Zion) but that doesn’t mean there aren’t interesting names to watch outside top 5.

the kid from Texas Tech didnt look bad, Jarrett Culver.

rcklsscognition · Post #810 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:57 am

I have been too busy to really watch much the last few weeks but I had to say, that block from AG at the beginning of the game against Chicago was one of the best blocks I've seen in years.

rcklsscognition · Post #811 » by **rcklsscognition** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 5:11 am

I have missed the last 6 or 7 games buy have caught up tonight and...

Watch on YouTube

pepe1991 · Post #812 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:49 am

we should have something like dishonorable award ,opposite os sweater vest.

TC award (tank commander )

drsd · Post #813 » by **drsd** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:37 am

pepe1991 wrote:we should have something like dishonorable award ,opposite os sweater vest.

TC award (tank commander )

We used to have a Dunce cap for every loss. And unlike the vest that can only go to a player, the dunce cap could be to anything (often the coach).

..

pepe1991 · Post #814 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:21 am

pepe1991 · Post #815 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:22 am

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic

basketballRob · Post #816 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:06 pm

pepe1991 wrote:https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic

Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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cedric76 · Post #817 » by **cedric76** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:24 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic
Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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how can people say that Ross has been playing better than Evan, dont you guys watch the games?

Evan played poorly (to his own admission) but he still played better than ross

come on guys, time to drop those hater googles

basketballRob · Post #818 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:26 pm

cedric76 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic
Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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how can people say that Ross has been playing better than Evan, dont you guys watch the games?

Evan played poorly (to his own admission) but he still played better than ross

come on guys, time to drop those hater googles

My point is net rating is more of a team than individual stat.

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pepe1991 · Post #819 » by **pepe1991** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:56 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic
Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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like somebody told you in game thread, i don't know are trolling or you just parody of yourself
I really hope you just post your posts and die laughing ,thinking how some fool will take you serious

basketballRob · Post #820 » by **basketballRob** » Mon Dec 24, 2018 1:58 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic
Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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like somebody told you in game thread, i don't know are trolling or you just parody of yourself
I really hope you just post your posts and die laughing ,thinking how some fool will take you serious

You have no common sense.

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