Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Nazrmohamed]

If Frank were to become that Doug Christy/ Michael Cooper/ Sidney Moncrief/tony Allen/Danny Green/ Aaron Mckie/ Ronnie Brewer type of player than I'm greatly satisfied, but he really needs to get that dog in him, hit his open shots.

Even if he ended up being that, it would be a gross misuse of the 8th pick in a draft. You get that talent from picked 24-35, even if one were to say the defense were elite.

But I think to appreciate him you just gotta take the L on the whole 8th pick thing. We Fd up, its done and its fine at this point. It doesn't change my belief that he could become an integral part of a very good team as Christie was from your example, or Sefolosha was, or Robertson is. But in any case you ain't gonna even get to that point taking 2 shots. I'd argue hes gotta average 10 shots this season, just so he could settle in to the efficient 7 shots he'll get in the future with other good talents. No need to be shy on a team like this. Last I checked Larry Brown wasn't on our bench.

At this point we'd be happy to get something out of him. It's much worse when guys bust completely and that happens quite often. I remember in the Shumpert draft a lot of people wanted Chris Singleton and thought he was almost a lock as a 3D guy in the league but he was out of the league after a few years.

Wow, I was one of those guys. Totly forgot about Chris Singleton. Didnt get a chance to even see why it never worked out for him

[Nazrmohamed]

If Frank were to become that Doug Christy/ Michael Cooper/ Sidney Moncrief/tony Allen/Danny Green/ Aaron Mckie/ Ronnie Brewer type of player than I'm greatly satisfied, but he really needs to get that dog in him, hit his open shots.

Even if he ended up being that, it would be a gross misuse of the 8th pick in a draft. You get that talent from picked 24-35, even if one were to say the defense were elite.

But I think to appreciate him you just gotta take the L on the whole 8th pick thing. We Fd up, its done and its fine at this point. It doesn't change my belief that he could become an integral part of a very good team as Christie was from your example, or Sefolosha was, or Robertson is. But in any case you ain't gonna even get to that point taking 2 shots. I'd argue hes gotta average 10 shots this season, just so he could settle in to the efficient 7 shots he'll get in the future with other good talents. No need to be shy on a team like this. Last I checked Larry Brown wasn't on our bench.

You might want to check the history of the 8th pick.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

Whoa, that's not a good list. Is it cursed or something? I gotta wonder what it looks like at the 9th or 10th. Maybe it's because it's the last pick where teams pick BPA and they fail but after that they draft need based. Idk, you tell me

[Greenie]

Frank is simply not an NBA player to me, let alone an NBA point guard.

He has regressed since his rookie season, which was already a disaster. He's a good defender, not a great one, but he seems to be regressing on the defensive end of the floor already. He has the second worst scoring efficiency of any rotation player in the entire NBA. He brings no intangibles to the table. He lacks fundamental skills. He lacks creativity. He lacks courage. He lacks upside. He would be glued to the bench on most NBA teams, the reason he's still seeing minutes is because our guard rotation is so trash.

I believe the Knicks should keep him on principle, because this franchise has traded away too many young players already and it never led us anywhere. However, I wouldn't be mad if the Knicks traded him to unload Courtney Lee's contract, I really wouldn't. I see him giving up in a couple of years honestly.

This. I see no upside with Frank so I’m looking for more tangible things.

Age is just a number when you show no upside.

Mitch has upside. I can deal with his young player fuqery. He’s a 7’ pogo stick.

Frank is what exactly? A future basketball coach is what.

[1999]

Just how good is Franks defense? I think we as fans overrate him on that end as well. I’ve seen a few posters call him elite already which is not the case. Lonzo Ball is every bit the defender Frank is. Wing span is nice but without athleticism to go with it kind of defeats the purpose. I prefer not to trade him for the sake of continuity and keeping young players, but if the right deal comes along for a player with upside I wouldn’t be mad if Knicks traded him.


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[whocares1]

Just let him miss shots, as long as they're good shots

He's not aggressive by nature, but it doesn't help if Fiz has him on a short leash. There's been only a handful of games where he was allowed to keep going after starting off 0-2, 0-3, and once or twice he turned it around, but the other few times he kept going at it, and looked like aggressive Frank for the whole game

We're gonna be bad regardless of what we do. As long as they're missing good shots, the FG% doesn't matter, and this applies to all the kids

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No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Frank needs consistent minutes and a consistent role, but a lot of it is on him to figure it out and play better

[kane2021]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this isn’t stuff that should be worked on at the professional level?

In this specific case I think it’s causing more harm than good. Giving him a bunch of minutes to just force him to chuck freely doesn’t seem consistent with the general consensus of player performance here. Makes it seem like most are actually ok with players being selfish as long as it’s a player they choose.

I really don’t get it. I think there’s something else here that is going unsaid. Some type of personal underline reason. I’m genuinely curious as to what it is about this dude that has so many contradicting themselves. I feel if it was just laid out there things would be much easier.


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[Thugger HBC]

Frank isn't comfortable with the basketball, and that's pretty bad if you actually think he's a pg.

[Spree2Houston]

Frank needs to spend the entire summer playing pickup basketball. It looks like he spent the entire summer working with a trainer and learning a few moves and called it a day. Frank would benefit much more from locking himself in a gym with a group of guys and playing pickup ball everyday over the summer ala Jimmy Butler

[BadNewsBarnes]

Frank needs a position and we're playing position-less basketball. That's mutually exclusive.

[prophet_of_rage]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this isn’t stuff that should be worked on at the professional level?

In this specific case I think it’s causing more harm than good. Giving him a bunch of minutes to just force him to chuck freely doesn’t seem consistent with the general consensus of player performance here. Makes it seem like most are actually ok with players being selfish as long as it’s a player they choose.

I really don’t get it. I think there’s something else here that is going unsaid. Some type of personal underline reason. I’m genuinely curious as to what it is about this dude that has so many contradicting themselves. I feel if it was just laid out there things would be much easier.


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They want the draft picks to be cheap homegrown superstars. If Frank fails we've got to find a point guard. He becomes a wasted piece


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[DaGawd]

Last few past ITT are spot on, especially the one about Frank being to play a ton of pick up ball this summer like Jimmy Butler. He just looks like he hasn't played enough basketball tbh.. which is wierd for someone who made it to the NBA level.. kid needs to get comfortable on the court, with the ball in his hands, making moves, shots, everything. It all looks very awkward and forced a the moment

[Juco24]

Just don't know why we didn't send him to G for development purposes

[F N 11]

They are trying. He was never the AAU type. He needs to know he can potentially do what he wants if he just ATTEMPTS lol. I feel he should of gotten the chance to continue to run the team once he played well. a few bad games he got benched. The man has yet to have a full blown chance. Im telling you he will be the glue once we have good players.

[F N 11]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this isn’t stuff that should be worked on at the professional level?

In this specific case I think it’s causing more harm than good. Giving him a bunch of minutes to just force him to chuck freely doesn’t seem consistent with the general consensus of player performance here. Makes it seem like most are actually ok with players being selfish as long as it’s a player they choose.

I really don’t get it. I think there’s something else here that is going unsaid. Some type of personal underline reason. I’m genuinely curious as to what it is about this dude that has so many contradicting themselves. I feel if it was just laid out there things would be much easier.


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Its not what we are accustomed to. Theres plenty of guys who come into the nba with no game but freak attributes.

[robillionaire]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

[Jeff Van Gully]

Just let him miss shots, as long as they're good shots

He's not aggressive by nature, but it doesn't help if Fiz has him on a short leash. There's been only a handful of games where he was allowed to keep going after starting off 0-2, 0-3, and once or twice he turned it around, but the other few times he kept going at it, and looked like aggressive Frank for the whole game

We're gonna be bad regardless of what we do. As long as they're missing good shots, the FG% doesn't matter, and this applies to all the kids

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No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

funny. you just described his role in europe. it's like he's still there mentally.

[Jeff Van Gully]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

please

[br7knicks]

Most of sports is mental

[whocares1]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

Mpharris where are you to stop this level 1 trolling?