Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[HEZI]

Just let him miss shots, as long as they're good shots

He's not aggressive by nature, but it doesn't help if Fiz has him on a short leash. There's been only a handful of games where he was allowed to keep going after starting off 0-2, 0-3, and once or twice he turned it around, but the other few times he kept going at it, and looked like aggressive Frank for the whole game

We're gonna be bad regardless of what we do. As long as they're missing good shots, the FG% doesn't matter, and this applies to all the kids

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No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

[DaGawd]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

Mpharris where are you to stop this level 1 trolling?

Really? You that thin skinned?

[1999]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

please

Ok, the worst since Jordan Hill...


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[whocares1]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

Mpharris where are you to stop this level 1 trolling?

Really? You that thin skinned?

I’m trolling mpharris my guy. This doesn’t concern you.

[Phish Tank]

there's a reason most international basketball players suck on bad teams and do well on good teams.....

[taj2133]

trey burke might be coming back in rotation on tuesday i don't think he will have that much confidence now

Knicks coach David Fizdale said Trey Burke could be back in the rotation on Christmas day.

"I’m going to probably stick him in some in this next one on Christmas to get his feet wet, especially if we struggle to score," Fizdale said. "I could see that happening." Burke was 3-of-16 from the field in his last two active games, and then he was benched for two straight. He's well behind Emmanuel Mudiay in the pecking order and can be left on the wire.
http://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball?ls=roto:nba:gnav
https://nypost.com/2018/12/23/greek-freak-mario-hezonja-round-2-knicks-arent-so-sure/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site%20buttons&utm_campaign=site%20buttons

[robillionaire]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

please

Ok, the worst since Jordan Hill...


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Idk Jordan hill was in the league for 8 years, that seems up in the air right now for frank

[whocares1]

Just let him miss shots, as long as they're good shots

He's not aggressive by nature, but it doesn't help if Fiz has him on a short leash. There's been only a handful of games where he was allowed to keep going after starting off 0-2, 0-3, and once or twice he turned it around, but the other few times he kept going at it, and looked like aggressive Frank for the whole game

We're gonna be bad regardless of what we do. As long as they're missing good shots, the FG% doesn't matter, and this applies to all the kids

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No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

[Jeff Van Gully]

This may very well wind up being the worst draft pick in knicks history

please

Ok, the worst since Jordan Hill...


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that's not saying much. put your statement into perspective. we've had a total of 3 first rounders since the 2009 draft. one of them KP. the other 2 are shumper and tim, who for whatever it's worth are NBA rotation players. both older on their draft days than frank will be at the end of his second NBA season.

frank may not pan out. but, hyperbole of the highest order.

[Jeff Van Gully]

No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

i think jarret jack did for frank what you described last season.

[whocares1]

Spoiler:

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

i think jarret jack did for frank what you described last season.

I meant someone that wasn’t a walking corpse though. A player that was paid more to accept that role as a mentor.

[HEZI]

No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

I don't think that having a french poodle spend more time with a pit bull is going to turn it into a pit bull. I think he needs to be out of the environment he's in, you can't change the entire environment around him just to make him more comfortable. No matter what the Knicks try to do, the expectations and the pressure of it all aren't going away. The more minutes he gets and the bigger role he's assigned the more it all gets magnified. The only way to hide it is to land top tier prospects who will push him further out of the rotation and take the focus off of him. Which is what I think even the Frank supporters hope happens, you can see it with the way they are hoping we can get a PG like Morant. Even his fans are giving up on him and are ready for a replacement because they know he just aint it.

[fatalogic]

Even if he ended up being that, it would be a gross misuse of the 8th pick in a draft. You get that talent from picked 24-35, even if one were to say the defense were elite.

But I think to appreciate him you just gotta take the L on the whole 8th pick thing. We Fd up, its done and its fine at this point. It doesn't change my belief that he could become an integral part of a very good team as Christie was from your example, or Sefolosha was, or Robertson is. But in any case you ain't gonna even get to that point taking 2 shots. I'd argue hes gotta average 10 shots this season, just so he could settle in to the efficient 7 shots he'll get in the future with other good talents. No need to be shy on a team like this. Last I checked Larry Brown wasn't on our bench.

You might want to check the history of the 8th pick.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

Whoa, that's not a good list. Is it cursed or something? I gotta wonder what it looks like at the 9th or 10th. Maybe it's because it's the last pick where teams pick BPA and they fail but after that they draft need based. Idk, you tell me

Compared to the 9th pick, yea 8th might be cursed like 2nd is cursed compared to 1st. Some notable 9th picks are:

Andre Drummond, Kemba Walker, Gordon Hayward, DeMar Derozen, Joakim Noah, Andre Iguodala, Amare Stoudemire, Dirk Nowitzki, Tracy McGrady

[reub]

there's a reason most international basketball players suck on bad teams and do well on good teams.....

Doncic? Jokic?

[robillionaire]

there's a reason most international basketball players suck on bad teams and do well on good teams.....

Doncic? Jokic?

Porzingis

[kane2021]

Is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this isn’t stuff that should be worked on at the professional level?

In this specific case I think it’s causing more harm than good. Giving him a bunch of minutes to just force him to chuck freely doesn’t seem consistent with the general consensus of player performance here. Makes it seem like most are actually ok with players being selfish as long as it’s a player they choose.

I really don’t get it. I think there’s something else here that is going unsaid. Some type of personal underline reason. I’m genuinely curious as to what it is about this dude that has so many contradicting themselves. I feel if it was just laid out there things would be much easier.


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Its not what we are accustomed to. Theres plenty of guys who come into the nba with no game but freak attributes.

I totally agree with that. However, what exactly are the freak attributes here? It’s not athleticism. He has trouble keeping up. His height and length would be an attribute at his advertised position. But he hasn’t shown the skill or athleticism to play that position. If he cannot play that position that attribute is canceled.


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[prophet_of_rage]

No that doesn’t work with Frank. His confidence goes down when he misses shots. He isn’t the type that lives with the results good or bad. He needs to have a 20 minute rotation spot that fluctuates based on his performance. Playing him extended minutes in games he’s not confident in forces the team to play 4 on 5 on offense. He needs to work over the summer extensively on his jumpshot.

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

He had Jack.

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[Greenie]

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

i think jarret jack did for frank what you described last season.

Yep

[Phish Tank]

there's a reason most international basketball players suck on bad teams and do well on good teams.....

Doncic? Jokic?

Porzingis

Dallas is barely under 500 in a tough conference.

Check Denver's record the last 4 seasons. Their worst year, they had 33 wins.

KP was an exception, but he had vets around him, his brothers to support him, and Melo to take the hits.

Tell me this, does Frank have any real vets to mentor him?

[Phish Tank]

I don't think it's a matter of him working on his jumpshot, it looks fine. I think it's a matter of him just not being cut out for the bright lights especially in NYC. He might be better somewhere in a small market team where the pressure of being a lotto pick isn't placed on him and like you said he should just be playing 20 minutes a night off the bench. I think playing for the Knicks and having to live up to lottery pick standards is just too much for him. If he ever develops into more than a role player off the bench it won't be in New York.

I know part of talking about players is assumption based, but in this case I don’t want to assume that Frank can’t make it at all in NY. I will give him until the end of his rookie contract before I decide on that. I will admit that it’s not looking good right now, and that he definitely isn’t good enough to be a starting point guard in today’s NBA, but the Knicks really haven’t invested in his future.

Frank needs a veteran player to mentor him every single day and make him better. A Pat Beverley type player that would force Frank to follow him everywhere. He hasn’t had that yet and with a kid as fragile as him he needs that.

i think jarret jack did for frank what you described last season.

maybe, but one season of a vet PG isn't always enough for young players. Somtimes need to have vets around consistently as these kids grow up.