Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[pepe1991]

Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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like somebody told you in game thread, i don't know are trolling or you just parody of yourself
I really hope you just post your posts and die laughing ,thinking how some fool will take you serious

You have no common sense.

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Bamba by all advance stats, not just net rating, is terrible and Vučević is by all stats, counting and advanced ones- best Magic player.
Just because you can't wrap your head around that notion that doesn't change anything.

[basketballRob]

like somebody told you in game thread, i don't know are trolling or you just parody of yourself
I really hope you just post your posts and die laughing ,thinking how some fool will take you serious

You have no common sense.

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Bamba by all advance stats, not just net rating, is terrible and Vučević is by all stats, counting and advanced ones- best Magic player.
Just because you can't wrap your head around that notion that doesn't change anything.

Sorry I shouldn't have said that.

Net rating is partly a team stat. Basketball reference is what you do compared to the player you're guarding per 100 possessions.


I don't think anyone has said, Vuc isn't this best player this season. He's been featured heavily by Clifford and has responded.

[basketballRob]

https://stats.nba.com/players/advanced/?sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612753

since lot of people use bb reference for stats, and they are good in everything but def and off rating ( don't know what's a deal with it, something is broken in their system ) there are actual offical nba advanced stats for Magic

Hmmm. Ross has been way better than Fournier but his net rating is worse. So Fournier is better end if argument.

That's more of a team than individual stat.

Maxi klebler is number 2 in the league in net rating, Jerami Grant is 10.

If you completely subtracted Vuc from the team and gave Bamba all his minutes he'd probably have the highest net rating on the team.

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how can people say that Ross has been playing better than Evan, dont you guys watch the games?

Evan played poorly (to his own admission) but he still played better than ross

come on guys, time to drop those hater googles

They both haven't been great but I give the edge to Ross. Fournier can't athletically matchup with players, so a big part of his defense is holding. Players get frustrated playing him because of his constant fouling.

[drsd]

we should have something like dishonorable award ,opposite os sweater vest.

TC award (tank commander )

We used to have a Dunce cap for every loss. And unlike the vest that can only go to a player, the dunce cap could be to anything (often the coach).

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Given all the And-1's I will state my view. Vučević would be my dunce cap for this game. His offense was poor. He was the one player that needed to step up to creat a win, and he flopped. I accept he has had numerous sleepless nights, (got a sleepless-maker myself), but to a sports fan, excess die not matter.

Vučević was ineffective offensively in this game. So were another 4-7 Magicians, but I would cap Vučević in this game..



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[drsd]

umm my metric did not

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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[MoMM]

umm my metric did not

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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At that moment, I was fan that supported keeping Evan instead of Oladipo.

Also, I don't think Oladipo would reach his current level if he hadn't played with Westbrook.

[darthmerrick]

umm my metric did not

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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At that moment, I was fan that supported keeping Evan instead of Oladipo.

Also, I don't think Oladipo would reach his current level if he hadn't played with Westbrook.

I was also one of the fans that supported trading Oladipo before it happened. I figured Fournier was at or near his level and cheaper and the real goal was to save money to keep Gordon and Payton. So to me the choice was keep Fournier, Gordon, Payton together or choose Dipo + one of them. Who knew Oladipo playing with Westbrook would show him the way to being an allstar? Prior to his offseason trade to Indy Dipo figured out how to shoot. In hindsight if we had not traded for Ibaka and let Fournier go then we'd probably be set with Gordon and Dipo, but we probably would not have been bad enough to get Bamba and Issac. We also would have been entering a time where we hit a wall and couldn't improve the team and get past the first round, we would probably be blowing it up this year trading Gordon and Dipo for picks and tanking.

[magicman112]

umm my metric did not

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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At that moment, I was fan that supported keeping Evan instead of Oladipo.

Also, I don't think Oladipo would reach his current level if he hadn't played with Westbrook.

Yes, getting to spend day in and day out with arguably the best player at his position made a big impact on him. He saw what it takes to be a great player. Then after that he gets traded back to Indiana where he was a star college player so now he's in a comfort zone and was given the keys to that team.

[j-ragg]

I feel like this will happen as well. Just gotta have patience... You can't construct/re-construct a team overnight...

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

How come you know all of that about no one having value around the league, but you’re just a fan like all of us?

“This is what happens when you’re a fan, you don’t know the inner workings of the team like I do”

[JF5]

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

How come you know all of that about no one having value around the league, but you’re just a fan like all of us?

“This is what happens when you’re a fan, you don’t know the inner workings of the team like I do”

You're right that I don't know what's happening... But its common sense seeing the reports coming around the deadline last year that everyone was available and in the off-season and the front office just didn't make any moves. Also, the one guy I felt like had the highest value was Gordon at the time wasn't even offered an opposing contract by any other team during the offseason and the Magic gave him a lot less than what the fans thought they had to give him.

You put situations like that together and at least to me you see how teams really viewed the talent on this roster.

[tiderulz]

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

Isaac doesnt have much value either.

[NotACat]

Especially when you sit on your ass and not do anything significant in your first year and a half on the job.

WeHam are bums. What front office takes that long to find a better player than the last moron GM we had on the job? It’s like shacking up with a chick with 5 kids and getting suckered into raising some deadbeat’s little bastards.

Wake me up when they can find a PG better than DJ Freaking Augustin.

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

Isaac doesnt have much value either.

Many people around the league would disagree

[tiderulz]

This is what happens when you're a fan and don't understand what's happening with the team. EVERYONE on this team prior to this past season (outside of Issac) had little to no value. There were rumors up until recently of this team's best player and current all-star roster candidate (Vucevic) was likely going to be traded for a late first round pick. They explored Aaron Gordon and found nothing that was a good enough offer (as he is a young guy with some bit of potential).

When teams are low balling you for guys and are essentially offering scraps for the best players on the roster what else can you do but try to build their value?

Seriously, even though people are complaining about the roster non-stop I bet you they'd be even more livid if they traded Vucevic say for the Spurs projected mid round pick and he was putting up the stats/impact he currently has now. This would be the same situation as the Oladipo and Harris trades where we traded guys for short term/low value assets and were left with nothing at the end.

WeHam are in tough position but they have to be really careful about how they handle this situation or this team could repeat history of the previous seasons. That's why I don't freak out about moves not being made because in the Orlando Magic's position of having little to no talent and recent history of trading All-Star/Star caliber players for essentially nothing they have to be smart about their decisions. Its a really tough position they're in right now.

Isaac doesnt have much value either.

Many people around the league would disagree

i dont think they would. offensively limited player with injury history.

[Furinkazan]

umm my metric did not

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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At that moment, I was fan that supported keeping Evan instead of Oladipo.

Also, I don't think Oladipo would reach his current level if he hadn't played with Westbrook.

Id take Oladipo at any level.He could be same lv he was the day he was traded Id still rather have him.

[MagicStarwipe]

Fournier vs. Oladipo was a painful choice. But Orlando could only keep one. Maybe the wrong choice was made, but there could only be one. Revisionist thoughts to for me, "that fact", excludes the reality of the moment.

Fournier was cheaper than Oladipo, therefor he his the Magician. There is logic.


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At that moment, I was fan that supported keeping Evan instead of Oladipo.

Also, I don't think Oladipo would reach his current level if he hadn't played with Westbrook.

Id take Oladipo at any level.He could be same lv he was the day he was traded Id still rather have him.

He's been better than Evan since he was a rookie

[fklt]

we so obviously lost the bet on fournier.

I'd say not only oladipo dramatically improved, but also fournier regressed. I appreciate his effort and overall pleased with his performance even this year unlike most. but his peak was 3 years ago. I was thinking a crafty 23 year old with size and competitive spirit, who basically figured out shooting this young, there's no way that's a bad bet. he was getting better every season until then, but he stagnated hard the moment we gave him that contract. not joking, I'm seriously thinking his hair problems might be contributing to an early mid-life criris.

[NavalAviator94]

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[NotACat]

I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas.


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You too!

[Blue_and_Whte]

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You too!

Merry Christmas to all.

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[Ducklett]

Doncic hit one of the most impressive buzzer beaters I have seen, maybe of all time. Dude is better than our whole team combined.