Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

[Sark]

Is the writer perhaps not thinking about the possibility of muds re-signing with the team? Or does he know something that we dont?

At what price though? Do we really want to invest in him long term?

And before anyone says he will be cheap, keep in mind that Spencer Dinwiddie just signed a 3 year $34 million deal. Mudiay's cap hold is $12 million. I think all the talk of him signing some super cheap deal for under $10 million per year, is never going to happen.

He can be renounced and signed to a team-friendly deal or he can choose to flaunt himself to other teams during FA. The Knicks have helped him bounce back with the provided unconditional playing time when his draft team just lost interest in him and was traded for bags of potato chips. Perry hasnt yet signed a player around the 10m per/y range.

If Spencer Dinwiddie's market value is $11 million, what makes you think that Mudiay's agent will accept a deal for less than that, especially considering that Mudiay is younger and has a lot more upside potential?

[knicksNOTslick]

They should bring in Tony Parker and see what he could do with Frank as a mentor. They both came in pretty young in the league. Parker has all the confidence in the world and can relate to Frank. I don't get why posters on this board are asking why people who support the kid are giving him the benefit of the doubt. I mean, he's not the typical guard we clamor for. He's not flashy or aggressive but he has the tools to be a unique championship type player and he's still young. He can definitely still put it together. Just let him play is all I ask. It's a lost season and we're all about development this season or are we not? I don't care about Burke or Mudiay. They were never the answer at PG. I would sell high on them. But Frank still has a chance and he's within our timeline. Just throw him to the wolves and start him at PG with guaranteed consistent minutes and a role. If he fails, he fails and we'll move on. But to limit his opportunities, is depriving him of getting the much needed burn that he deserves. Like I've said before, Mudiay and Burke were given chances by the teams that drafted them. And they failed. They failed! Why aren't we giving Ntilikina the same opportunity in a developmental season? Screw Mudiay, screw Burke, they got their chances already and they are not the answer at PG.

[Adelheid]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

Frank is a grown man. Why should he need to be coddled. He was the 8th pick it’s time he believes in HIMSELF. Nobody is gonna feel sorry for Frank. A guy like Jimmy Butler who was homeless worked himself into what he is now. Most of us, bare minimum are just asking Frank to stay aggressive. Makes or misses. When he attempts just 2 shots in a particular game then yes he deserves to be benched.


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While I do agree with most of your post of Frank being a grown man thingamajig, his FGA per certain amount of minutes has improved and I would say -- is getting on par with non-ball dominant wings around the league. He was getting 6 FGAs per 12 minutes and then Fiz started reinforcing the ballhogging pointguard duo and here we are again.

[Adelheid]

At what price though? Do we really want to invest in him long term?

And before anyone says he will be cheap, keep in mind that Spencer Dinwiddie just signed a 3 year $34 million deal. Mudiay's cap hold is $12 million. I think all the talk of him signing some super cheap deal for under $10 million per year, is never going to happen.

He can be renounced and signed to a team-friendly deal or he can choose to flaunt himself to other teams during FA. The Knicks have helped him bounce back with the provided unconditional playing time when his draft team just lost interest in him and was traded for bags of potato chips. Perry hasnt yet signed a player around the 10m per/y range.

If Spencer Dinwiddie's market value is $11 million, what makes you think that Mudiay's agent will accept a deal for less than that, especially considering that Mudiay is younger and has a lot more upside potential?

He can take it or leave it -- is the message that I'm implying on my previous post. The knicks are going to draft another high lottery pick in the offseason and it might well be a pg if muds and the Knicks dont agree on a certain amount. The Knicks are not imprisoned on signing a pg that they are not going to like in the long run.

[cuyankees]

"Alright Franky, go out there and shoot when you get the ball"
Clank, Brick, Bang
"Coach, why are you taking me out?"
"You're missing shots so time to try someone new"
"But, you told me to shoot"

It's really hard for any human to have confidence when actions speak louder than words. Fiz is not NBA head coach material, another sign of NYK incompetence when you have Bud, who wanted the job, didn't get it.

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It’s like you’ve never played basketball in your life. It’s like you haven’t read anyone’s posts in this and other threads. How you can continually blame someone else for another person’s faults is beyond hysterical and frankly it’s sad at this point.

I personally don’t think most on here have played ball past junior high school.

The stuff I’ve read in defense of Frank is laughable.

I can’t imagine my college or even high school coach playing me minutes if I played as inconsistent as Frank. Basketball is confidence, if you have no real life confidence then you’re fu*ked & the issue with Frank is more than basketball.

He’s a nice kid but he doesn’t have that natural swagger. You don’t need it to be a good defensive player but you do need it to be a good offensive player.

I would say he should go to the G League but he might start doubting himself even more. Not sure if he got what it takes if we keeping it a stack. Mental matters more than talent in the NBA.

Fair point about consistent playing time and Frank has been blah to say , but you know playing college that to get some sense of consistent play you need some consistent playing time. If your coach is yoyoing you around based on a brick or a TO, you’d be frustrated.

And as for organized basetkball dick measuring, outside of KT who I assume is a professional scout or close to it, my dick is “nice” when it comes to college bball, AAU coaching etc.

[Spree2Houston]

I don't think Frank even wants the heavy minutes right now. I think he knows he's not playing well and his confidence is shattered. He probably just wants to get through this season still on the team and then work on his game in the off-season. It's why he never seems upset that he's not getting major mins. He doesn't believe in himself and wants to remain camoflauged until the season is over so then he can aggressively begin working on his game.

[Greenie]

^^”Raw” players have a base of athletic abilities but lack consistent NBA skill.

Frank is not some crazy athlete that needs to learn how to apply it.

Rawness buy time. Frank isn’t raw to me. He just is. It’s fully mental with him. His base skillet is that of Ron Baker(hustle and defense) and we just cut Ron.

[blueNorange]

just tell frank to worry about 3 things

1. defense
2. corner three, master it.
3. running the point when needed

[1999]

I don't think Frank even wants the heavy minutes right now. I think he knows he's not playing well and his confidence is shattered. He probably just wants to get through this season still on the team and then work on his game in the off-season. It's why he never seems upset that he's not getting major mins. He doesn't believe in himself and wants to remain camoflauged until the season is over so then he can aggressively begin working on his game.

This.


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[2010]

I see the Newsday read my post in the Hamsterdam thread.

Spoiler:

[Greenie]

Real question to all of the people who like Frank.

Would you trade him to get rid of Timmy?

[Sark]

He can be renounced and signed to a team-friendly deal or he can choose to flaunt himself to other teams during FA. The Knicks have helped him bounce back with the provided unconditional playing time when his draft team just lost interest in him and was traded for bags of potato chips. Perry hasnt yet signed a player around the 10m per/y range.

If Spencer Dinwiddie's market value is $11 million, what makes you think that Mudiay's agent will accept a deal for less than that, especially considering that Mudiay is younger and has a lot more upside potential?

He can take it or leave it -- is the message that I'm implying on my previous post. The knicks are going to draft another high lottery pick in the offseason and it might well be a pg if muds and the Knicks dont agree on a certain amount. The Knicks are not imprisoned on signing a pg that they are not going to like in the long run.

Then it goes back to the original paragraph I quoted. If you're not vested in Mudiay long term, then why in the world would you go out of the way to develop/"fix" him? Because you're praying that there's a <10% chance that he signs a super team friendly deal? Why would a 22 year old, that has never had a huge contract turn down money?

[Gravy]

Even if he ended up being that, it would be a gross misuse of the 8th pick in a draft. You get that talent from picked 24-35, even if one were to say the defense were elite.

But I think to appreciate him you just gotta take the L on the whole 8th pick thing. We Fd up, its done and its fine at this point. It doesn't change my belief that he could become an integral part of a very good team as Christie was from your example, or Sefolosha was, or Robertson is. But in any case you ain't gonna even get to that point taking 2 shots. I'd argue hes gotta average 10 shots this season, just so he could settle in to the efficient 7 shots he'll get in the future with other good talents. No need to be shy on a team like this. Last I checked Larry Brown wasn't on our bench.

You might want to check the history of the 8th pick.
http://www.basketballinsiders.com/history-of-the-nba-draft-by-pick/history-of-the-nba-draft-pick-number-8/

Whoa, that's not a good list. Is it cursed or something? I gotta wonder what it looks like at the 9th or 10th. Maybe it's because it's the last pick where teams pick BPA and they fail but after that they draft need based. Idk, you tell me

It's why I try not to get tooo hyped for draft picks. Everyone is a future star that you need to trade your whole team for before the draft, and two years later is someone you can't stand looking at. Even top 5 picks only have about a 20% chance of becoming a star.

[WargamesX]

Billups would be a great mentor for Frank

[FemaleDogPlease]

Frank's isn't a very good basketball player.

Hopefully Perry trades him and frees up cap space in the process.

[NY2TheBay]

Most of life is mental

fixed it for you.

[thebuzzardman]

If they let Mudiay play through some crap play to build confidence, why not Frank? Seems like a solid idea.

It's not like the Knicks are trying to win games this year. In fact, if they are smart, the opposite should be true. Which they seem to be doing. Or at least emphasizing development over winning.

1. Mudiay was older when they did that. Already had a couple years of NBA experience.

2. Mudiay and Frank are two totally different players. One is more naturally confident and aggressive. He is also more fluid than the other player as well.

So. The concept is the same. Let him play through aggressive mistakes.

[HarthorneWingo]

Frank's isn't a very good basketball player.

Hopefully Perry trades him and frees up cap space in the process.

HATER!

[HarthorneWingo]

Billups would be a great mentor for Frank

I think Tony Parker would be a better fit. Billups doesn't speak French. Nor does he like brie.

[HarthorneWingo]

And there's a Frank thread for this sidenote

It'll move there once this story is out of the news cycle...

Oopsy. Sorry, I didn't see it.