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Worst Move in last 5 Years

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Worst Move?

Trade Tobias Harris
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8%
Trade Elfrid Payton
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3%
Sign Bismack Biyombo
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11%
Draft Hezonja
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8%
Trade Oladipo, Sabonis
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64%
Other (describe in comments)
5
8%
 
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Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#1 » by otownflava21 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:07 pm

I don't intend this to be a negative thread however the question begs to be asked. Which of these 5 decisions within the past 5 seasons do you believe has been the absolute worst move?

*in no particular order*
Tobias Harris Traded for Jennings, Illyasova

Harris was obtained by the Bucks for JJ Redick. After displaying promising play, he was eventually traded for Jennings and Illyasova because of a logjam at the time. Both Jennings and Illyasova didn't come close to surmounting to the same value Harris provided. Tobias is now an all-star candidate at 26 years old averaging 22/8 on 50% shooting and 42% from three. A lot of Magic fans questioned his 3pt shooting ability and gave up on him at such a young age.

Trade Elfrid Payton for future 2nd round pick

Although Payton was mostly hated due to his inability to be a consistent jump shooter and make free throws, he still brought all the other intangibles to the table and shot at a respectable overall shooting percentage. This season we have a back up point guard as a starting point guard, and a 3rd string point guard as a back up point guard, and yet we traded Payton last season for essentially nothing. He remains a starting PG in this league for the New Orleans Pelicans when healthy. What was the point?

Sign Biyombo to a $72 million dollar deal when we just obtained Ibaka

The Magic have Nikola Vucevic coming off back-to-back career seasons, one of those averaging 20ppg and 12 rpg. The Orlando Magic draft Aaron Gordon the season prior, who is now healthy returning from injury, a forward who is projected to likely shine better as a Power Forward. The Magic also trade prized #2 pick Victor Oladipo (which we'll discuss below) for Serge Ibaka, a power forward/center. So what do we do? We sign Bismack Biyombo because of a one-off playoff performance, and for $72 million dollars! This obviously majorly prohibited the Magic with FA signing capabilities and now we have Mozgov riding the pine getting paid the big bucks eating up our cap space.

Draft Mario Hezonja when he did not fit on our team

Of course it can up for debate whether you feel Mario was a fit on our team or not, but the fact of the matter is that the Hezonja experiment didn't work out. We tanked and wasted a season just to miss by ONE draft spot on the true prize of 2015, which was Porzingis. Also can be added the multiple players that were drafted below Hezonja that are evidently better; Cauley-Stein, Frank Kaminsky, Justice Winslow, Myles Turner, Trey Lyles, Devin Booker, Kelly Oubre, Terry Rozier, etc. In hindsight, maybe the Magic should have leveraged that #5 pick in a trade during the offseason for a valued asset.

Oladipo, Sabonis traded for Serge Ibaka

We all know now the player that Victor has become. Just like Tobias, there was hate for Victor as he seemed to not meet people's expectations and the coaches didn't utilize him appropriately. Of course Victor has grown substantially since his playing days in Orlando, however quite a few foresaw his potential to be this great. Now an all-star, Oladipo appears to be a perennial candidate for not only all-star teams but all-NBA teams and MVP talk as well. Ibaka was the player we obtained for Victor which also added more insult to injury, as it didn't make any sense to obtain him considering Vucevic just came off career jumps and we already have Gordon and Hezonja. And we eventually signed Biyombo, too.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#2 » by MagicFan101 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:11 pm

Other: not clearing this board of **** fans incapable of moving on.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#3 » by Audi » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:20 pm

I think we could’ve gauged the market for Elf and had him on the cheap. He could’ve competed with DJ for the starting slot, avoided the abortion that is Jerian Grant, and at least set up to have a very nice backup when we found our PG of the future. Despite what some here think about him, I think we can all agree that we gave up too much for Elf to let him go for so little. I still hate that trade.

The Dipo trade was horrific in hindsight. I do remember at the time though, we were in desperate need for rim protection and the Dipo we had at that point couldn’t even finish at the rim because he was afraid of contacts, so it made some sense.possibly the worst thing about that trade was the fact that we picked up Biyombo on a massive overpay.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#4 » by MagicStarwipe » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:24 pm

Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#5 » by tiderulz » Tue Dec 25, 2018 3:43 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.

Elf wasnt a "sacrifice". He was a player that was not developing well and the team moved on. Phoenix, who also needed a PG, also moved on from him. Took 2 teams not wanting him to make him grow up and cut that hair that had an impact on his shooting.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#6 » by BadMofoPimp » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:26 pm

A little more than 5 years ago, but trusting Henny to run the franchise was the worst move.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#7 » by deggett » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:45 pm

1. On the 3rd year of rebuild changing direction from tanking to playoffs whatever it takes (first it was hiring Skiles) . So it has similar result as Nets under King.
2. Not punishing main contributor to this failure, witch affecting results now.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#8 » by VFX » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:32 pm

Why is this something we should revisit for the thousandth time? Especially on Christmas. Move on.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#9 » by VFX » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:38 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.


I knew I could count on you to have something to say about Elfrid as usual. Is he still in the league? I haven’t noticed.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#10 » by BCS » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:48 pm

Worst moves can also be moves not made.

Getting rid of buddy ball. Continuously running the offense through Evan and Vuc has hindered our younger players development.

And I also agree with deggett, the worse move was changing direction to win now when it still was not the time. Aka Oladipo and Harris trade plus Biyombo signing. And I agreed with trading Harris, I feel that needed to happen, just not for the garbage we got.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#11 » by UCF » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:38 pm

The biggest mistake with Elfrid was trading a draft pick to acquire him.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#12 » by Bergmaniac » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:41 pm

IIRC we most likely wouldn't have drafted Sabonis with that pick, that was Presti's choice. Still a horrific trade, of course.

Trading Harris for cap space in February 2016 when it was known every team in the league would have a lot of cap space in the upcoming summer for the only time in the recent NBA history was almost as dumb, though, why did the management expect us to have a shot at the good free agents that summer I'll never know...And of course no good players wanted to come and that cap space was used on Biz and Jeff freaking Green....
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#13 » by JF5 » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:26 pm

Who cares anymore?
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#14 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Dec 25, 2018 9:55 pm

MagicStarwipe wrote:Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.

Sabonis would not be our second best player, it would easily be Vuc and possibly AG. He would be our 3rd or 4th best player.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#15 » by Mauro Pedrosa » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:13 am

Draft and Keep Elfrid Payton for so long. It was the beginnig of the end, trying to make a square peg go through a round hole. We all knew a Point Guard that couldn't shoot wouldn't work in the NBA.

The front office kept Payton + Fournier because Oladipo also had some shooting concerns so the first pair seemed more logical.

Just my two cents though
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#16 » by woosah » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:30 am

This is the type of thread you make when you fire someone and you are evaluating what went wrong. Doing it now just seems to stir up negativity for no reason. The fact that there are so many (some aren't listed) is just depressing. Y'all can have that.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#17 » by Optimus_Steel » Wed Dec 26, 2018 1:52 am

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MagicStarwipe wrote:Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.

Sabonis would not be our second best player, it would easily be Vuc and possibly AG. He would be our 3rd or 4th best player.
Vuc is better than Sabonis but not AG. AG's game is too limited and Sabonis does alot of things well.
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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#18 » by MagicStarwipe » Wed Dec 26, 2018 2:48 am

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MagicStarwipe wrote:Elfrid was the clear sacrifice for a front office that wanted to pretend they were actually making moves. A nothing move. But even as an EP Stan I can't vote for it. Even with us currently having the worst PG situation in the league.

But it's clearly Oladipo and Sabonis. They would be our number 1 and 2 best players at the moment. Thank you Martins and Vogel.


I knew I could count on you to have something to say about Elfrid as usual. Is he still in the league? I haven’t noticed.


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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#19 » by Blue_and_Whte » Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:29 am

The tobes trade, biyobum signing, and dipo trade were collectively some of the dumbest moves we've seen.

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Re: Worst Move in last 5 Years 

Post#20 » by thelead » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:35 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:A little more than 5 years ago, but trusting Henny to run the franchise was the worst move.

Yet, here we are with Hennigan players as starters that you defend...
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