Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

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[Eli Babak]

Wall/Morris/Green for Smith/Barnes/Mejri/2021 2nd. Let's do it!

Wall/Harris/Brunson
Matthews/Barea/Broekhoff
Doncic/Green/Finney-Smith
Powell/Kleber/Morris
Jordan/Nowitzki/Spalding
Looks silly on paper but guys playing would be Wall/Matthews/Doncic/Powell/Jordan/Barea or Harris/DFS/Green/Kleber or Morris/Nowitzki.

Satoransky/Smith/Randle
Beal/Baker
Porter/Brown
Barnes/Dekker
Bryant/Mejri/Mahinmi/Howard
+ Ariza for KCP/2020 2nd lol
Let the tank roll and get rid of two most annoying players in the team!

[LyricalRico]

Wall/Morris/Green for Smith/Barnes/Mejri/2021 2nd. Let's do it!

I don't hate Harrison Barnes, but I'm only taking him back if we're sending out Mahinmi. Wall+Mahinmi for Barnes+Smith seems fair, but doesn't immediately help our cap situation. Something like Wall+Morris for Smith+Matthews would help more financially.

That said, I don't see why Dallas would trade for Wall. That is Doncic's team going forward, and they need a PG who can play off of him. Wall isn't that guy IMO.

[Eli Babak]

Wall/Morris/Green for Smith/Barnes/Mejri/2021 2nd. Let's do it!

I don't hate Harrison Barnes, but I'm only taking him back if we're sending out Mahinmi. Wall+Mahinmi for Barnes+Smith seems fair, but doesn't immediately help our cap situation. Something like Wall+Morris for Smith+Matthews would help more financially.

That said, I don't see why Dallas would trade for Wall. That is Doncic's team going forward, and they need a PG who can play off of him. Wall isn't that guy IMO.

I agree with you - no reason for Dallas to go after Wall but I hope Ernie's calling (I bet he's on a holiday right now and returns late January). Oh man.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wall for Matthews and Smith works.

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Dallas can afford Wall. But, as Rico asks, why would they want him?

One thought is that he at least is a valuable player, which Harrison Barnes is not. The delta they pay next year for having Wall rather than Barnes is $12.7m.

Smith looks to be a bust; replace him w/ a R2 player, & the cost difference goes down to @$8.7m.

But of course we can't do Wall for Barnes & Smith, because it raises our salary load this year by @ $8.5m -- we are trying to get under the tax! So, yes, they'd have to be willing to take Morris (plus as much $$ as it was legal for us to send to help pay his salary).

I don't think that's a trade they'd do without other incentives. It's conceivable they'd add Barea & 1 of their useless young guys (Ray Spalding?) in return for our adding Satoransky & Bryant ( ). Plus a pick swap in our favor? Or theirs?

We'd be a terrible team this year & next. But, at least we'd have started rebuilding. Dallas would improve immediately -- & if Wall returned to being the player he was a couple of years ago, they'd be in a position to keep him & build through youth during the next few years while being quite a good team.

Any of this make sense? Thoughts...?

[NatP4]

Ball-Ingram-KCP

For

Wall-Morris

Ball Sato
Beal KCP
Ariza Brown Jr
Otto Ingram Green Dekker
Bryant Howard Mahinmi

To me, that could be a 50-60 win top 3 seed in the east. Completely changes the situation in DC, saves our salary cap situation. Changes the culture. I don’t even want Ingram, he just makes the salary work. Ball is the real prize, along with quality backup SG play.

[Dat2U]

Dallas can afford Wall. But, as Rico asks, why would they want him?

One thought is that he at least is a valuable player, which Harrison Barnes is not. The delta they pay next year for having Wall rather than Barnes is $12.7m.

Smith looks to be a bust; replace him w/ a R2 player, & the cost difference goes down to @$8.7m.

But of course we can't do Wall for Barnes & Smith, because it raises our salary load this year by @ $8.5m -- we are trying to get under the tax! So, yes, they'd have to be willing to take Morris (plus as much $$ as it was legal for us to send to help pay his salary).

I don't think that's a trade they'd do without other incentives. It's conceivable they'd add Barea & 1 of their useless young guys (Ray Spalding?) in return for our adding Satoransky & Bryant ( ). Plus a pick swap in our favor? Or theirs?

We'd be a terrible team this year & next. But, at least we'd have started rebuilding. Dallas would improve immediately -- & if Wall returned to being the player he was a couple of years ago, they'd be in a position to keep him & build through youth during the next few years while being quite a good team.

Any of this make sense? Thoughts...?

Well, as has been previously mentioned, the best way to add talent is through the draft. Were currently the 6th worst record in all which based on the new draft odds would give us a 9% chance of landing the 1st pick or roughly a 27% chance of landing a top 3 pick. So maybe status quo isn't the worst thing for now.

As for moving Wall, it comes down to thing main issues. His health & his trade kicker. If he's not willing to waive his trade kicker, he's not getting moved till after next July. If his lack of effort & production recently is injury based then that's yet another ree flag for teams to consider.

In reality I'm not overly concerned about his contract on the roster, because there's always one idiot out there that will bite. It's the health & attitude concerns I'm worried about.

If there's something to be optimistic about, its that we have a lot of playoff tested veterans that other teams may want. We should at least be able to rack up on the future second round picks. Jeff Green, Trevor Ariza, Markieff Morris & Tomas Satoransky all present value on the market. Philly has specifically be linked to Kieff. Maybe paring two of them gets us a pick in the 20s?

We could then go in the offseason with:

Bradley Beal
Otto Porter Jr
Rights to Thomas Bryant
A mid-lottery pick
Another pick in 20s
(2) 2nd round picks from trading vets

Then of course the John Wall situation.

I'd also strongly considering trading Beal for the highest lottery pick possible.

[Dat2U]

Ball-Ingram-KCP

For

Wall-Morris

Ball Sato
Beal KCP
Ariza Brown Jr
Otto Ingram Green Dekker
Bryant Howard Mahinmi

To me, that could be a 50-60 win top 3 seed in the east. Completely changes the situation in DC, saves our salary cap situation. Changes the culture. I don’t even want Ingram, he just makes the salary work. Ball is the real prize, along with quality backup SG play.

We'd have to go 27-20 just to get to .500. That seems unlikely. Even if you make the playoffs, it's likely a gentleman's sweep at best against Toronto.

This year is basically a wrap.

Of course I'd make that trade if I can. I'd rather have Kuz or Hart. Not a fan of Ingram at all even though his value may be higher than the other two.

I wouldn't go for the playoffs though. I'd dump the rest of vets and work to acquire as many picks as possible.

[Dat2U]

Wall for Matthews and Smith works.

Then reroute Smith for a 1st round pick. Probably in the teens.

[ClutchDJ]

Ernie ever constructing a 60 win team under his belt, lol.

[Dark Faze]

Rubio and a 2020 1st for Wall straight up at the deadline.

I think it's a solid deal. Snyder and Gobert might clean up some of Wall's bad habits.

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...we have a lot of playoff tested veterans that other teams may want. We should at least be able to rack up on the future second round picks. Jeff Green, Trevor Ariza, Markieff Morris & Tomas Satoransky ... Philly has specifically be linked to Kieff. Maybe paring two of them gets us a pick in the 20s?...

On your first point above, certainly Ariza & Green are candidates of that kind. Sato too, but in his case, I think he should bring more than a R2 pick. That is, I wouldn't trade him for a R2 pick. We are going to have to field a team next year, & he is likely to a bargain at the contract he gets. Moreover, once re-signed, he becomes an even more valuable trade asset.

Obviously, at that point our main goal will be to get under the tax this year. Trading partners will know that we get something extra out of trading either Ariza or Morris, which will mean they don't have to give as much.

In Morris's case, I would be shocked if he brings us more than a pick likely to be in the late 40s or 50s -- & a few years down the road at that. To me at least, that makes it kind of unlikely we could pair him with one of the other guys you mention & get a Round 1 pick in return.

I'd also strongly consider trading Beal for the highest lottery pick possible.

Me too. Or for 2 mid-late R1 picks for that matter. Especially if there was also a R2 pick involved.

Of course, none of these ideas amount to anything if Ernie is still our GM, & he's doing the trading. The only benefit he'll be after will be his own. I.e. out of the tax at any cost whatever. He won't get anything much back. He certainly won't value picks!

[dangermouse]

Rubio and a 2020 1st for Wall straight up at the deadline.

I think it's a solid deal. Snyder and Gobert might clean up some of Wall's bad habits.

I don't think they'd add a 1st.

But good news, i'd do it without a 1st....

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

Wall for Matthews and Smith works.

Then reroute Smith for a 1st round pick. Probably in the teens.

Has Smith turned out that bad. I’ve only seen him play a couple of times and he’s looked good. His stats sure are underwhelming.

[gambitx777]

Dallas can afford Wall. But, as Rico asks, why would they want him?

One thought is that he at least is a valuable player, which Harrison Barnes is not. The delta they pay next year for having Wall rather than Barnes is $12.7m.

Smith looks to be a bust; replace him w/ a R2 player, & the cost difference goes down to @$8.7m.

But of course we can't do Wall for Barnes & Smith, because it raises our salary load this year by @ $8.5m -- we are trying to get under the tax! So, yes, they'd have to be willing to take Morris (plus as much $$ as it was legal for us to send to help pay his salary).

I don't think that's a trade they'd do without other incentives. It's conceivable they'd add Barea & 1 of their useless young guys (Ray Spalding?) in return for our adding Satoransky & Bryant ( ). Plus a pick swap in our favor? Or theirs?

We'd be a terrible team this year & next. But, at least we'd have started rebuilding. Dallas would improve immediately -- & if Wall returned to being the player he was a couple of years ago, they'd be in a position to keep him & build through youth during the next few years while being quite a good team.

Any of this make sense? Thoughts...?

SO what about this,
John, Howard, Green.
For barnes and smith jr and some form of pick compensation (either a protected first, unprotected second round pick, or a protected second ), like 2021 top 5 protected first, ( they cant trade 2020) and a 2020 seconds ? if push came to shove id forget the pick.

So i mean, johns trade kicker pops him to 22 mill ish. We loose green whos playing well for barnes whos playing about as well as green. we get a young cheep PG, who has been injured, he was playing ok ish before he got hurt. They get a massive up grade at point guard and when howard comes back, he can play limited minutes behind jordan and **** would that be crazy good for the mavs. we get out of walls massive contract and we can move on and make moves from there. the money works and still works after johns kicker. I think that maybe they might still be able to resign jordan maybe. they have a lot of money coming off the books this year, like 50 mill + ? not sure how much cap room that gives them but they are only 2 mill over the cap now, it might be tight but even with johns contract kicking in i think they could still resign jordan ? sure they have to field the rest of the team, but im sure they can figure that out.

as for us, i don't think smith jr is bad, i think hes hurt, and still green and cuban wants to make a push now since Luka is way a head of where he should be. Banes is over paid but not bad, and smith could be a steal when healthy. Make that trade, ad start looking into trading Ian and morris. and maybe porter. hand the keys to brad, and hope for the best maybe we actually get better.

[Dark Faze]

mavs are too intelligent of an organization to go for John--they don't need him

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[LedZepp007]

What would you guys think about Middleton, Brogdon, and a second for Beal and filler?


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[queridiculo]

What would you guys think about Middleton, Brogdon, and a second for Beal and filler?


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I'm thinking, get the **** out of here with that nonsense.