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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Post#461 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:03 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
tbhawksfan1 wrote:Say a team totally bottoms out for three years as one of the worst two teams in the league each year and never get better than a top 4 or 5 pick. Ouch!



You literally just described the current GS Warriors during their rebuild.


Yeah, intentional too. Somewhere I posted an Atlanta State Warriors post where I said that Schlenk says, top 3 picks, I don't need no top 3 to build a champion kinda thing.

GSW are a sports miracle. Schlenk tryting to reproduce it isn't going to finish well.
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Post#462 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:04 pm

Use the best pick to pick the best player.
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Post#463 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:09 pm

The new lottery system is so screwed that order of finish is going to lose a lot of weight. We're going to see some stupid stuff like teams slidding many positions up or down in the lottery. I don't like it at all. NBA has 0 parity and they just eliminated rebuilding as a viable method to get top talent through the draft as a strategy.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#464 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:13 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:Use the best pick to pick the best player.


Luka looks great early.

I'm not yet convinced he'll be the best player long term from this draft.

Hell, I'm now worried we let two great young talents get past us...JJJ seems to have ceiling much higher than I imagined. And he would have paired extremely well with Collins long term.
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Post#465 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:22 pm

My board was Aton / Don about equal then Bags and JJJ, then Bamba and then Trae..... I saw Trae having a lot of boom or bust, but never would have made that trade...never
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Post#466 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:25 pm

I think that the bigger problem is that Schlenk made numerous stupid moves. Schro / Lin / Melo / Doncic / trading #34......
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Post#467 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:46 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:I think that the bigger problem is that Schlenk made numerous stupid moves. Schro / Lin / Melo / Doncic / trading #34......



:lol:


Those moves weren't dumb. They were understandably unpopular.

But they achieved the goal and moved us closer to cap flexibility while acquiring more draft assets.
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Post#468 » by tbhawksfan1 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:54 pm

After agreeing with you so many times, I finally get to say, no freaking way. All bad moves that coulda / shoulda been done differently

Lin 14M and he can"t even start if Trae needs to take off some pressure. 14M is FRP value.

Schro was completely devalued within the org. His court thing and non tanking personality didn't fit but TS took what was considered a top 15 24 YO PG and turn him into a bad tract traded to eat Meslo's 27M tract for a maybe future FRP...... terrible

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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#469 » by CP War Hawks » Wed Dec 26, 2018 8:13 pm

Landing the top pick will be a real crap shoot. My analogy is picking several shooters you'd want to make a half court shot first. You obviously want Steph taking that shot for you, but odds are just odds my scenario.

Shooter 1: Curry
Shooter 2: Curry
Shooter 3: Curry
Shooter 4: Prime Korver
Shooter 5: next best shooter, so on for the remaining lotto slots.
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Post#470 » by King Ken » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:20 am

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Post#471 » by personanongrata » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:04 am

tbhawksfan1 wrote:After agreeing with you so many times, I finally get to say, no freaking way. All bad moves that coulda / shoulda been done differently

Lin 14M and he can"t even start if Trae needs to take off some pressure. 14M is FRP value.

Schro was completely devalued within the org. His court thing and non tanking personality didn't fit but TS took what was considered a top 15 24 YO PG and turn him into a bad tract traded to eat Meslo's 27M tract for a maybe future FRP...... terrible

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Presti took Schlenk to the woodshed on the Schro trade.
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Post#472 » by dms269 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:48 pm

tbhawksfan1 wrote:After agreeing with you so many times, I finally get to say, no freaking way. All bad moves that coulda / shoulda been done differently

Lin 14M and he can"t even start if Trae needs to take off some pressure. 14M is FRP value.

Schro was completely devalued within the org. His court thing and non tanking personality didn't fit but TS took what was considered a top 15 24 YO PG and turn him into a bad tract traded to eat Meslo's 27M tract for a maybe future FRP...... terrible

I can go on


Dennis should have been moved the season before, however Dennis did not help his cause. I think the reality is that Dennis is just not a very good fit for the current NBA. 10 years ago he would be a stud, not anymore.

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tbhawksfan1 wrote:After agreeing with you so many times, I finally get to say, no freaking way. All bad moves that coulda / shoulda been done differently

Lin 14M and he can"t even start if Trae needs to take off some pressure. 14M is FRP value.

Schro was completely devalued within the org. His court thing and non tanking personality didn't fit but TS took what was considered a top 15 24 YO PG and turn him into a bad tract traded to eat Meslo's 27M tract for a maybe future FRP...... terrible

I can go on


Presti took Schlenk to the woodshed on the Schro trade.


Schlenk was able to dump a 15M backup point guard and got an expiring and a frp out of it.
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Post#473 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:09 pm

Nice resource for evaluating prospects...even if it's not meant specifically for our fanbase.

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Post#474 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:01 pm

it appears Trae is a Culver fan...

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This kid would be a perfect fit at SG between Huerter and Trae.



2.) Jarrett Culver, Texas Tech

Despite letting a lead slip away en route to a 69-58 loss to No. 2 Duke, No. 12 Texas Tech proved on a national stage that this team is not to be underestimated. When watching the game, it appeared that sophomore sensation Jarrett Culver was perhaps the best player on the floor for either team, which says a lot considering the array of talent Duke possesses. Head coach Chris Beard describes Culver as both a gym rat and a humble killer, two attributes that pair nicely with Culver's lengthy, athletic frame. He's really shouldered the load on offense for the Red Raiders who lack any other real threats on that end of the floor.
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Apparently the Red Raiders "go to Jarrett" for their holiday shopping needs, or perhaps whenever they need some offense. Despite losing against Duke on Thursday, Culver proved that he's unfazed by the big stage. He stood out as much as anyone under the bright lights of Madison Square Garden facing a team with by far the most talent in the country and the odds on favorites to win the NCAA title this year.

The Lubbock, Texas native who played high school ball less than 3 miles from the Texas Tech campus showed that he is prepared to step up and play on a big stage against elite competition. Unfazed by matching up against potentially the top three picks in the draft, he guided the Red Raiders to a lead for much of the game scoring in a multitude of ways including drives and pull ups that he initiated. His ability to isolate and create scoring opportunities, while still unlikely "NBA ready", has shown significant improvement.

Culver led all scorers with 25 points, hitting a respectable 9-21 from the floor and 4-9 from deep. His ability to pull up and shoot off the dribble was on display. He also showed some burst off the dribble driving by Jack White for a dunk in the second half. His excellent Duke performance was coming on the heels of his best performance of the year going for 30 pts and 7 rebs on 12-13 shooting against Abiline Christian.

He's got an excellent body, at 6'6 with a solid wingspan, strong, thick legs and good balance and explosiveness. He shows the ability to impact games without scoring with his solid defense and passing ability and his stock is certainly on the up tick as a likely first rounder following his performance against Duke at MSG.
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Post#475 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 2:22 pm

personanongrata wrote:Presti took Schlenk to the woodshed on the Schro trade.


No. It was a salary dump for both teams. And there was no real market for Schroder.

Hawks deal Schroder to Thunder in three-team trade

The Hawks tried to trade Schroder for weeks, but couldn’t find a market for the former first-round draft pick.

Schroder, 24, faces possible felony charges for an assault arrest in September. He also said during a news conference in his native Germany that he would like to be traded, preferably to the Bucks or Pacers. He also was suspended several times over his five-year career with the Hawks for different violations, including not returning from an All-Star break trip to Germany after he forgot his visa.
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Post#476 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:58 pm

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Post#477 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:08 pm

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The 2019 NBA draft class could be in line for a needed boost by a pair of breakout sophomores.

Over the last few weeks, Texas Tech's Jarrett Culver and Murray State's Ja Morant have become hot topics among scouts who've mostly been underwhelmed by the freshmen and overall talent pool.

Culver's 25 points at Madison Square Garden last Thursday against Duke drew significant attention, thanks to a prime-time stage as well as the particular shots and moves he executed.

Culver's breakout

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A role player as a freshman, Culver still popped last year with 6'5" size, a projectable jumper and encouraging sequences of perimeter defense. This season, he's turned flashes into efficient, No. 1 option production, now averaging 19.6 points on 55.8 percent shooting and 45.0 percent from three.

"I already had Culver in the lottery before the Duke game," said another scout.

His 30.3 percent usage rate is up from last season's 22.1 percent. A more threatening, well-rounded scorer and playmaker, Culver has capitalized on the extra touches, ball screens and looks.



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Freshman: 9.8 percent of offense, 0.67 PPP, 32nd percentile

Sophomore: 20.8 percent of offense, 1.09 PPP, 91st percentile

Through 12 games, Culver has already generated 50 points out of pick-and-rolls after racking up 28 points in 37 games last season. He's timing his drives and finishing, and 15 of his 21 pick-and-roll passes have led to field goals.


Spot-up

Freshman: 31.8 percent of offense, 1.15 PPP, 88th percentile

Sophomore: 19.5 percent of offense, 1.21 PPP, 86th percentile

One of the nation's most efficient spot-up players a year ago, Culver continues to score off the catch with rhythm shooting, pull-ups and drives past closeouts. It's a strength of his game that hints at a higher floor, with teams likely to feel confident that at the least, he can stretch the defense and make shots or plays when facing closeouts.


Off screens

Freshman: 9.6 percent of offense, 1.10 PPP, 73rd percentile

Sophomore: 9.5 percent of offense, 1.43 PPP, 92nd percentile

The success he's had making shots after flaring or curling off screens is just another positive sign regarding his potential to fit into an already established NBA offense.


Isolation

Freshman: 10.3 percent of offense, 0.52 PPP, 12th percentile

Sophomore: 17.6 percent of offense, 1.21 PPP, 91st percentile

Despite lacking blow-by speed or a quick release on his jump shot, Culver has compensated in different ways, whether it's by using counter footwork off the dribble, improvisation in the paint or simply difficult shot-making while contested.

Still, isolation scoring may be the least convincing addition to his game, given his slow-motion delivery and lack of explosion. By June, scouts must determine the extent to which his lack of burst and strength will restrict him at the NBA level.

Continuing to bury dribble jumpers and score in volume against tougher Big 12 opponents will certainly help strengthen and solidify his case as a lottery pick.


Culver's stock will also benefit from a projected draft field filled with question marks and no obvious depth outside of Duke's Zion Williamson and RJ Barrett.

Fellow Blue Devil Cam Reddish is shooting 37.0 percent from the field. North Carolina's Nassir Little has been held to 19.4 minutes per game, and Kansas' Quentin Grimes has fallen out of the discussion.
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Post#478 » by CP War Hawks » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:09 pm

My top ten in no particular order as of today:

Zion
Barrett
Reddish
Culver
Garland
Morant
KPJ
Hunter
Bol
Hachimura

Outside looking in:

Doumbouya
Keldon Johnson
Little
Langford
Okpala

Beyond these guys, there is a humugous drop off. If you can secure a lotto protected 1st for Baze, that would be a decent pick for a project big.
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Post#479 » by Jamaaliver » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:09 pm

NBA Draft 2019: Mock Draft 3.0

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Atlanta Hawks: Jarrett Culver | Wing | So | Texas Tech

The Hawks get another lottery pick courtesy of the Luka Doncic trade, adding another solid wing prospect in Jarrett Culver. After breaking out as a freshman next to Zhaire Smith, Culver is becoming a stronger lottery candidate seemingly by the day.

Again, the Hawks are seeking 3-and-D pieces who fit into versatile rotations around Young and Collins. Culver checks the right boxes, giving the Hawks an excellent spot-up shooter who can attack in straight-line drives, make some nice passes and defend multiple positions.

Culver continues to diversify his offensive approach, emerging as Tech’s most dynamic weapon in most situations. His release isn’t quick, but the mechanics are sound and the release point is high. He’s the perfect complementary piece in a draft lacking high-upside talent.
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Post#480 » by King Ken » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:17 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
NBA Draft 2019: Mock Draft 3.0

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Atlanta Hawks: Jarrett Culver | Wing | So | Texas Tech

The Hawks get another lottery pick courtesy of the Luka Doncic trade, adding another solid wing prospect in Jarrett Culver. After breaking out as a freshman next to Zhaire Smith, Culver is becoming a stronger lottery candidate seemingly by the day.

Again, the Hawks are seeking 3-and-D pieces who fit into versatile rotations around Young and Collins. Culver checks the right boxes, giving the Hawks an excellent spot-up shooter who can attack in straight-line drives, make some nice passes and defend multiple positions.

Culver continues to diversify his offensive approach, emerging as Tech’s most dynamic weapon in most situations. His release isn’t quick, but the mechanics are sound and the release point is high. He’s the perfect complementary piece in a draft lacking high-upside talent.
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