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[HEZI]

The suns didn’t pick up benders option so he’s already out of the plan and will be off the team next year, if that applied to some of our guys it would be more understandable

So they won't even get an asset out of their 4th overall pick? They gonna take their L and just let him walk without even trying to get an asset for him?

Yo I'd love to see this board if we did that to one of our young players, let alone somebody we drafted with the 4th overall pick. Oh it would be classic

He's only 21 years old, where is the development?

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

[cuyankees]

So they won't even get an asset out of their 4th overall pick? They gonna take their L and just let him walk without even trying to get an asset for him?

Yo I'd love to see this board if we did that to one of our young players, let alone somebody we drafted with the 4th overall pick. Oh it would be classic

He's only 21 years old, where is the development?

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Holiday hangover? Thought our posts were about assets for reclamation projects.

[Thugger HBC]

So they won't even get an asset out of their 4th overall pick? They gonna take their L and just let him walk without even trying to get an asset for him?

Yo I'd love to see this board if we did that to one of our young players, let alone somebody we drafted with the 4th overall pick. Oh it would be classic

He's only 21 years old, where is the development?

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Add Lakers with D-Lo out Lonzo in.

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[robillionaire]

So they won't even get an asset out of their 4th overall pick? They gonna take their L and just let him walk without even trying to get an asset for him?

Yo I'd love to see this board if we did that to one of our young players, let alone somebody we drafted with the 4th overall pick. Oh it would be classic

He's only 21 years old, where is the development?

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Both of these players have had much more of an opportunity to prove themselves to their respective teams in their 2 seasons than the player in question here has. Also, we didn’t draft anybody to replace said player, as the teams in your examples did. We just gave up to chase wins. We did not upgrade.

[HEZI]

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Holiday hangover? Thought our posts were about assets for reclamation projects.

Try to keep up, we're tying "playing the kids" with "development" with "asset management". It's all tied together, don't go veering off

[HEZI]

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Add Lakers with D-Lo out Lonzo in.

Great example!

[cuyankees]

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Holiday hangover? Thought our posts were about assets for reclamation projects.

Try to keep up, we're tying "playing the kids" with "development" with "asset management". It's all tied together, don't go veering off

Oh shucks, this whole time I thought that quote symbol meant commenting on a specific statement of yours instead of reading your entire convo

[Thugger HBC]

Nah Greenie that aint the point. The point is "play the kids" because apparently it doesn't matter who has talent or doesn't just play the kids

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

Ironically, that was asset building in reverse. They played bender enough so that everybody could see how terrible he was.


When "play the kids" goes wrong.

[robillionaire]

What the Knicks are doing by DNPing frank to play mudiay and Burke isn’t even on the same stratosphere as the suns lakers and nuggets moving on from said players after ample opportunites because they drafted younger and better prospects in ayton Lonzo and Murray

[HEZI]

In most situations, you aren't getting assets for a reclamation project. Imagine DEN was estatic to get anything for Mud last year.

Do you know who is responsible for them becoming reclamation projects? Their own teams! Denver gave up on Mudiay the moment they drafted Jamal Murray and committed to him. Phoenix gave up on Bender the moment they drafted Ayton and committed to him. Common theme is they gave up on their lotto picks. Teams do that, they look for upgrades. Only the Knicks aren't allowed to do that though, we must commit long term even if we have opportunities to upgrade and move on from our mistakes.

Both of these players have had much more of an opportunity to prove themselves to their respective teams in their 2 seasons than the player in question here has. Also, we didn’t draft anybody to replace said player, as the teams in your examples did. We just gave up to chase wins. We did not upgrade.

What are you talking about? We are one of the youngest teams in the league. We gave up what to chase wins? Is this about 22 year old Mudiay playing over 20 year old Ntilikina? I thought this was about playing the kids and development and all that. The only dude who's in the rotation right now that really doesn't belong in it right now is Lance Thomas because Porzingis is injured. Other than that, we got a rotation of 26 and younger, so what exactly did we give up to chase wins? Youth movement? Nope, it's very much alive.

Are the Suns not chasing wins? Why they still got 25 year old TJ Warren in the starting lineup? Why is Bender not in the rotation but Holmes is? Why is Kelly Oubre in the rotation? Why are they 5-5 in their last 10 games and now have as many wins as the Knicks when we were so far behind them not too long ago? Who's really chasing wins, us or them?

[HEZI]

Holiday hangover? Thought our posts were about assets for reclamation projects.

Try to keep up, we're tying "playing the kids" with "development" with "asset management". It's all tied together, don't go veering off

Oh shucks, this whole time I thought that quote symbol meant commenting on a specific statement of yours instead of reading your entire convo

So you like taking things out of context huh? Is that a strategy or just a bad habit?

[HEZI]

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

Ironically, that was asset building in reverse. They played bender enough so that everybody could see how terrible he was.


When "play the kids" goes wrong.

My thoughts exactly

[Thugger HBC]

What the Knicks are doing by DNPing frank to play mudiay and Burke isn’t even on the same stratosphere as the suns lakers and nuggets moving on from said players after ample opportunites because they drafted younger and better prospects in ayton Lonzo and Murray

So if we draft Ja, Frank should be curved with no complaints.

[robillionaire]

What the Knicks are doing by DNPing frank to play mudiay and Burke isn’t even on the same stratosphere as the suns lakers and nuggets moving on from said players after ample opportunites because they drafted younger and better prospects in ayton Lonzo and Murray

So if we draft Ja, Frank should be curved with no complaints.

There’s still be complaints becaue many feel that they didn’t make a real attempt to develop him this year before making this move. But other than that, I agree. If the Knicks don’t pick up Frank’s option because they drafted Ja and wanted to play him instead nobody should complain if he’s not playing after that. But none of that has happened yet.

[dakomish23]

Nah Greenie that aint the point. The point is "play the kids" because apparently it doesn't matter who has talent or doesn't just play the kids

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

You're comparing two different situations and acting like they're the same. They gave him a longgggggg leash.

We are giving Frank DNP-CDs. I guess that's supposed to be an excellent example of development and proper asset management. These Knicks sure are doing it right

[dakomish23]

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

Ironically, that was asset building in reverse. They played bender enough so that everybody could see how terrible he was.


When "play the kids" goes wrong.

So the Knicks are asset building by not playing Frank? They don't play Frank enough so that everybody can't see how terrible he is?

When "not playing the kids" is desperate for justification.

[Thugger HBC]

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

Ironically, that was asset building in reverse. They played bender enough so that everybody could see how terrible he was.


When "play the kids" goes wrong.

So the Knicks are asset building by not playing Frank? They don't play Frank enough so that everybody can't see how terrible he is?

When "not playing the kids" is desperate for justification.

Nah. Frank isn't playing now because other young guys are, pretty much the entire team is young outside of Lee and Lance and neither of them were previous in rotation worth noting, and still arent.

The guys playing the point are roughly the same age. The only position he can get minutes in currently is at point. Timmy isn't benching Frank, neither is Knox. Frank cant play their position and shouldn't.

[robillionaire]

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

You're comparing two different situations and acting like they're the same. They gave him a longgggggg leash.

We are giving Frank DNP-CDs. I guess that's supposed to be an excellent example of development and proper asset management. These Knicks sure are doing it right

This point has been made 5-6 times and it hasn’t been acknowledged as the person you’re responding to continues to ignore it and make false analogies and ask nonsensical questions that don’t apply so I doubt this time will be any different. We tried.

[HEZI]

They played Bender 25 mpg last season

0 DNP-CDs

He had more starts last year than Frank has had in total so far

Wow that's fantastic, how did that play out for them? Where did that get them today? He's got almost no trade value and they are willing to let him just walk

Excellent example of development and proper asset management. Those Suns sure are doing it right

You're comparing two different situations and acting like they're the same. They gave him a longgggggg leash.

We are giving Frank DNP-CDs. I guess that's supposed to be an excellent example of development and proper asset management. These Knicks sure are doing it right

Long leash

Bender in 3 seasons up to this point - 2731 minutes played

Ntilikina in 2 seasons up to this point - 2390 minutes played

Remarkable! Didn't know the difference between a long leash and a short leash was a centimeter