When will Trae be as good as Doncic?

[Spud2nique]

Is Donbitch playing today?

[Archx]

Is Donbitch playing today?

99% sure he is. But they usually confirm like 2h before the game. There are rumors that DSJ is coming back as well... so it will be interesting to see what will happen with both of them on the floor again.

[Hazer]

Ice Très with the 4th most double-doubles of ANY PG.

[Bob8]

Trae-Luka comparison should stop, they have nothing in common.

[Squigglepuffin]

I hate to say it, but even with the pick coming from Dallas this year the Hawks lost this trade badly. I'm not trolling. My opinion is a pretty educated one, and I have no horse in this race.

The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously. He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall... and it's just not going to happen. He just gets shoved out of the way on defense too easily and yes, he has a little bit of growing to do, strength training - but it won't change things dramatically. It was obvious even before he got drafted.

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent. If the Celtics made the trade the Hawks made on draft night I would be calling for the head of my GM. I wouldn't try to rationalise it or defend it, or hold onto the hope that maybe the pick coming this year will lead to getting a franchise player (because it is highly, highly likely it won't), I would be so angry with my front office.

Even in the unlikely event that the Dallas pick turns into an all-star player, the player is ridiculously unlikely to be a franchise player (which Luka is), and knowing the odds of that occurring are so low it was a terrible choice to make the trade on something that has such a statistically low chance of occurring.

Knowing even before the draft how small Trae is, knowing how badly he will throughout his career get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs) you don't pass up the chance at #3 to draft a kid who was Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance.

Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again.

[marco102]

I hate to say it, but even with the pick coming from Dallas this year the Hawks lost this trade badly. I'm not trolling. My opinion is a pretty educated one, and I have no horse in this race.

The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously. He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall... and it's just not going to happen. He just gets shoved out of the way on defense too easily and yes, he has a little bit of growing to do, strength training - but it won't change things dramatically. It was obvious even before he got drafted.

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent. If the Celtics made the trade the Hawks made on draft night I would be calling for the head of my GM. I wouldn't try to rationalise it or defend it, or hold onto the hope that maybe the pick coming this year will lead to getting a franchise player (because it is highly, highly likely it won't), I would be so angry with my front office.

Even in the unlikely event that the Dallas pick turns into an all-star player, the player is ridiculously unlikely to be a franchise player (which Luka is), and knowing the odds of that occurring are so low it was a terrible choice to make the trade on something that has such a statistically low chance of occurring.

Knowing even before the draft how small Trae is, knowing how badly he will throughout his career get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs) you don't pass up the chance at #3 to draft a kid who was Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance.

Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again.

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

[Bob8]

What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

Everybody would take that trade everyday. But how likely is that? I can see Trae as very good player eventually. The problem is, that Luka is doing all things as good as Trae, but he's 6'8", 230, much better scorer.

and if we are talking about D. Luka's DRPM is -0.52 and Trae is dead last with -4.26. the difference is huge there too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

[marco102]

What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

Everybody would take that trade everyday. But how likely is that? I can see Trae as very good player eventually. The problem is, that Luka is doing all things as good as Trae, but he's 6'8", 230, much better scorer.

and if we are talking about D. Luka's DRPM is -0.52 and Trae is dead last with -4.26. the difference is huge there too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

Dude! Once again, it was a hypothetical because the other poster was speaking in absolutes. I don't know what Trae will be in the future, just like this could be Doncic's best year in his career. No one knows the damn future was my point. Everytime someone posts something slightly defending Trae, you come with the Doncic stats. Like why are you rooting for a player that is not on the Hawks? To say you were right? I'm a Hawks fan so I will hope for the best. If you want to ride the Doncic wagon, by all means go ahead, but I'm going to root for my Hawks to my dying day. If they made a mistake, I'm going to keep rooting for them, to get it right. Trae is a Hawk and I'm hoping he improves, if you got a Doncic stat for that, pull it out.

Also, your stat doesn't change what I said. Doncic's defense is atrocious.

[Squigglepuffin]

I hate to say it, but even with the pick coming from Dallas this year the Hawks lost this trade badly. I'm not trolling. My opinion is a pretty educated one, and I have no horse in this race.

The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously. He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall... and it's just not going to happen. He just gets shoved out of the way on defense too easily and yes, he has a little bit of growing to do, strength training - but it won't change things dramatically. It was obvious even before he got drafted.

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent. If the Celtics made the trade the Hawks made on draft night I would be calling for the head of my GM. I wouldn't try to rationalise it or defend it, or hold onto the hope that maybe the pick coming this year will lead to getting a franchise player (because it is highly, highly likely it won't), I would be so angry with my front office.

Even in the unlikely event that the Dallas pick turns into an all-star player, the player is ridiculously unlikely to be a franchise player (which Luka is), and knowing the odds of that occurring are so low it was a terrible choice to make the trade on something that has such a statistically low chance of occurring.

Knowing even before the draft how small Trae is, knowing how badly he will throughout his career get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs) you don't pass up the chance at #3 to draft a kid who was Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance.

Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again.

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

But that's what I was saying, the probability of the Dallas pick turning out to be Lebron like is wishful thinking to the highest degree. With the body that Trae Young has, even he won't be Steve Nash lite. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

The probability of Trae Young being that single player, that outlier is low... and yes Doncic's defense isn't the best (but it's not as bad as Trae's), but again, what I was saying in my post was that for Trae to have a significant impact on the court throughout his career he will have to be a dominant force on the offensive end putting up numbers even higher than Doncic's averages because he will continuously get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs.

And Doncic is putting up stats that are generational rookie numbers thus far. Yes, his ceiling isn't as high as Lebron due to athleticism, but as he progresses through the season he is getting better - and he's only 19 - so he'll get better. It's easy seeing him as being a career all-star.

It's statistically so improbable that Trae comes anywhere close to Nash to even be Nash-lite, and the Dallas pick to be the next Lebron that knowing the odds of that occurring are so low that if that is why the Hawks GM made the trade - expecting that to occur - it was a poor decision like passing on a guaranteed 1 million dollars to play Powerball in the hope of winning 10 million dollars. It's just a poor decision or a very, very, very risky gamble. Either way I don't think any GM in the league, even the Hawks, do that trade again seeing Doncic playing like he is. You don't pass up the chance to draft a kid who won the Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance, even if you think his ceiling isn't Lebron.

[Bob8]

Everybody would take that trade everyday. But how likely is that? I can see Trae as very good player eventually. The problem is, that Luka is doing all things as good as Trae, but he's 6'8", 230, much better scorer.

and if we are talking about D. Luka's DRPM is -0.52 and Trae is dead last with -4.26. the difference is huge there too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

Dude! Once again, it was a hypothetical because the other poster was speaking in absolutes. I don't know what Trae will be in the future, just like this could be Doncic's best year in his career. No one knows the damn future was my point. Everyone time someone posts something slightly defending Trae, you come with the Doncic stats. Like why are you rooting for a player that is not on the Hawks? To say you were right? I'm a Hawks fan so I will hope for the best. If you want to ride the Doncic wagon, by all means go ahead, but I'm going to root for my Hawks to my dying day. If they made a mistake, I'm going to keep rooting for them, to get it right. Trae is a Hawk and I'm hoping he improves, if you got a Doncic stat for that, pull it out.

Also, your stat doesn't change what I said. Doncic's defense is atrocious.

-4.26 is Trae's stats and I mentioned it because you said Doncic's defense is atrocious.

[King Ken]

I hate to say it, but even with the pick coming from Dallas this year the Hawks lost this trade badly. I'm not trolling. My opinion is a pretty educated one, and I have no horse in this race.

The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously. He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall... and it's just not going to happen. He just gets shoved out of the way on defense too easily and yes, he has a little bit of growing to do, strength training - but it won't change things dramatically. It was obvious even before he got drafted.

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent. If the Celtics made the trade the Hawks made on draft night I would be calling for the head of my GM. I wouldn't try to rationalise it or defend it, or hold onto the hope that maybe the pick coming this year will lead to getting a franchise player (because it is highly, highly likely it won't), I would be so angry with my front office.

Even in the unlikely event that the Dallas pick turns into an all-star player, the player is ridiculously unlikely to be a franchise player (which Luka is), and knowing the odds of that occurring are so low it was a terrible choice to make the trade on something that has such a statistically low chance of occurring.

Knowing even before the draft how small Trae is, knowing how badly he will throughout his career get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs) you don't pass up the chance at #3 to draft a kid who was Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance.

Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again.

[marco102]

Everybody would take that trade everyday. But how likely is that? I can see Trae as very good player eventually. The problem is, that Luka is doing all things as good as Trae, but he's 6'8", 230, much better scorer.

and if we are talking about D. Luka's DRPM is -0.52 and Trae is dead last with -4.26. the difference is huge there too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/12/sort/DRPM

Dude! Once again, it was a hypothetical because the other poster was speaking in absolutes. I don't know what Trae will be in the future, just like this could be Doncic's best year in his career. No one knows the damn future was my point. Everyone time someone posts something slightly defending Trae, you come with the Doncic stats. Like why are you rooting for a player that is not on the Hawks? To say you were right? I'm a Hawks fan so I will hope for the best. If you want to ride the Doncic wagon, by all means go ahead, but I'm going to root for my Hawks to my dying day. If they made a mistake, I'm going to keep rooting for them, to get it right. Trae is a Hawk and I'm hoping he improves, if you got a Doncic stat for that, pull it out.

Also, your stat doesn't change what I said. Doncic's defense is atrocious.

-4.26 is Trae's stats and I mentioned it because you said Doncic's defense is atrocious.

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

[High 5]

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Right, Trae has no chance to improve and his competition certainly will. Thank you for your brilliant insight.

[King Ken]

Doncic ain't gonna be LeBron anything. LeBron didn't even know how to play on a pro level at 18. LeBron was playing off of God given talent and ability. Luka came in with as many professional seasons played as KAT. Luka is special but Trae is going to be a superstar. We are gonna be a championship team with Trae. I don't think Dallas will do the same with Luka. They will try as hard as us but I like our future. Trae will be leading that. Trae is playing extremely well for rookie PG's. His per36 is one of the best of all PG's to have played the game. We are in great hands.

Luka ceiling isn't as high as Trae. He clearly has the higher floor and we BEEN knew that but Trae has a higher ceiling.

[jayu70]

Dude! Once again, it was a hypothetical because the other poster was speaking in absolutes. I don't know what Trae will be in the future, just like this could be Doncic's best year in his career. No one knows the damn future was my point. Everyone time someone posts something slightly defending Trae, you come with the Doncic stats. Like why are you rooting for a player that is not on the Hawks? To say you were right? I'm a Hawks fan so I will hope for the best. If you want to ride the Doncic wagon, by all means go ahead, but I'm going to root for my Hawks to my dying day. If they made a mistake, I'm going to keep rooting for them, to get it right. Trae is a Hawk and I'm hoping he improves, if you got a Doncic stat for that, pull it out.

Also, your stat doesn't change what I said. Doncic's defense is atrocious.

-4.26 is Trae's stats and I mentioned it because you said Doncic's defense is atrocious.

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

[jayu70]

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career,

That Jason Terry comparison is waaay off base! We saw what a rookie Jason Terry looked like here in Atlanta.

[Bob8]

Dude! Once again, it was a hypothetical because the other poster was speaking in absolutes. I don't know what Trae will be in the future, just like this could be Doncic's best year in his career. No one knows the damn future was my point. Everyone time someone posts something slightly defending Trae, you come with the Doncic stats. Like why are you rooting for a player that is not on the Hawks? To say you were right? I'm a Hawks fan so I will hope for the best. If you want to ride the Doncic wagon, by all means go ahead, but I'm going to root for my Hawks to my dying day. If they made a mistake, I'm going to keep rooting for them, to get it right. Trae is a Hawk and I'm hoping he improves, if you got a Doncic stat for that, pull it out.

Also, your stat doesn't change what I said. Doncic's defense is atrocious.

-4.26 is Trae's stats and I mentioned it because you said Doncic's defense is atrocious.

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

p.s. thanks for education about winking.

[marco102]

-4.26 is Trae's stats and I mentioned it because you said Doncic's defense is atrocious.

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

[King Ken]

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career,

That Jason Terry comparison is waaay off base! We saw what a rookie Jason Terry looked like here in Atlanta.

He is a goofy ass troll. I hit the dumb **** in the head with a bottle.

[jayu70]

I hate to say it, but even with the pick coming from Dallas this year the Hawks lost this trade badly. I'm not trolling. My opinion is a pretty educated one, and I have no horse in this race.

The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously. He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall... and it's just not going to happen. He just gets shoved out of the way on defense too easily and yes, he has a little bit of growing to do, strength training - but it won't change things dramatically. It was obvious even before he got drafted.

He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent. If the Celtics made the trade the Hawks made on draft night I would be calling for the head of my GM. I wouldn't try to rationalise it or defend it, or hold onto the hope that maybe the pick coming this year will lead to getting a franchise player (because it is highly, highly likely it won't), I would be so angry with my front office.

Even in the unlikely event that the Dallas pick turns into an all-star player, the player is ridiculously unlikely to be a franchise player (which Luka is), and knowing the odds of that occurring are so low it was a terrible choice to make the trade on something that has such a statistically low chance of occurring.

Knowing even before the draft how small Trae is, knowing how badly he will throughout his career get exposed on defense (especially in the playoffs) you don't pass up the chance at #3 to draft a kid who was Euroleague MVP at 18. You take the chance.

Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again.

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players