Gordon Hayward Thread

[MyInsatiableOne]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

You seem to be misplacing your anger. You should be mad at the injury, yet you seem to be mad at Gordon and Brad. Weird. He was worth the contract and then got injured and now it's up in the air whether he will be good again.

He was injured, it sucks, yes. But it's over a year removed from the injury and Stevens is giving him entirely too many minutes where he **** the bed, so that's where we can have anger with the coach and player. What are we Gunna deal with 2 years of "those shots will start to fall"?

It's over a year removed from the actual injury, yes, but otherwise your statement is just foolish. How many months of healing after the initial surgery until he could even put enough weight on it to stand? Walk? Run lightly? Jog? Then sprint in a straight line only? Then another unforeseen surgery in August to remove the pins and plate that set his rehab back. He wasn't cutting and moving laterally on a regular basis until right before camp started. This is not an injury you just heal up and get back to 100% normal like an ankle sprain. This is something that will take months, if not a year, to recover fully from. Add in the mental component of always being timid and worried that the next time you go all out and make a cut, you could blow it out again...THAT makes it even harder.

I swear half of Celtics fans act like Gordon just **** sprained his ankle and should be over it. It's ridiculous.

[greenbeans]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

I'm sorry,.. who's the loser?

[Parliament10]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

It took Paul George 1.5 yrs to get back into full form.
Gordon Hayward is on the same track. = So, by April, 2019.

[K For Three]

I still irrationally blame this dude.

I agree that this dude irks me too just based on photo alone.

[K For Three]

Rozier is way way way worse then Gordon has been at any time this season. Like way WAY WAY MOTHER F'ING way worse.

the difference is like 90M$

No argument there, Rozier is cheap right now indeed.

[cl2117]

My biggest concern with Hayward is that he's just not knocking down wide open shots this year. I have my concerns regarding his explosiveness/athleticism going forward after the injury, but I thought his shot would have rebounded by now. At least on wide open shots I'd be expecting him to be hitting 40%. He's shooting 23% on open 3's and 37% on wide open threes. Those make up 40% of his shots. That's a major concern for me.

I'm pretty pleased with his ability to be a jack of all trades glue guy while he's still working back towards his old self, but he's got to be much closer to a 50%/40% shooter. Especially when he's getting such quality looks. I can understand how his offensive game in the paint and off the dribble might take longer to get back into form, but open jumpers should be significantly better by now.

If he was shooting 40% from 3 we'd be talking less about him. He certainly wouldn't be worth his contract, but that's a useful enough player that we can work around him being massively overpaid while we've still got Tatum on a rookie deal. This just isn't cutting it. I'm still happy to be patient, but these are worrying signs.

[batabatuta]

Agree with most guys here. I understand the injury and the fear of taking it to the rim. I understand the excess weight. I understand the adjustment to plays. What i don't understand is the not making the wide open shots. How the hell did he broke his shot when he was a pure brilliant shooter? It does not make sense.

[Curmudgeon]

Shooting is largely in the legs. When shooters' legs get tired, they start to miss. What Hayward's shooting woes tell me is that either his leg isn't right, or he lacks confidence in his ability to lift. It's hard to say if the issue is physical or mental.

[Tiny ball]

Maybe Hayward will be a guy that has a positive plus minus (since this is a huge deal on here) will grab some boards and make some passes but at this point the Hayward we could have gotten is dunzo thanks to Crowder.

James was in on it.imho

[Tiny ball]

Ya so basically this contract is just going to be a load of crap. PG was an all star the following season after his injury. GH moves around like a log, and immediately passes the ball off to whoever. It's Gunna screw us, almost as bad as Brad giving the loser minutes

It took Paul George 1.5 yrs to get back into full form.
Gordon Hayward is on the same track. = So, by April, 2019.

I think it is going to take him longer.
I hope I'm wrong.

[K For Three]

Pre-injury Gordon highlight video.

Read on Twitter

[Bohemian]

Everybody knew it would take him months to become himself. Everything that is happening to him is normal.

And by the way, he looked fatter last year before his injury. This year he does look leaner. Look, we have said countless times that he will need many months to look like his former self and STILL people are forgetting this. Why talk then if a second later you forget what you said?

[Higgs Boston]

PG needed most of the next season to get back and he didn't remove the hardware in his leg forcing him to rest some months like Hayward.

[cloverleaf]

Everybody knew it would take him months to become himself. Everything that is happening to him is normal.

And by the way, he looked fatter last year before his injury. This year he does look leaner. Look, we have said countless times that he will need many months to look like his former self and STILL people are forgetting this. Why talk then if a second later you forget what you said?

I think he was muscled up last year to try to play as a stretch 4 some. This year, he seemed purposely leaned down to be a pure wing again.

[Captain_Caveman]

Not worried about Hayward.

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

[Parliament10]

Not worried about Hayward.

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

I Disagree. -- I think this IS the Team.
We came to within 5 mins of the NBA Finals.

And that was without injured players Hayward, Irving, Theis, and Larkin.
Now, we have 3 of those players back in the Mix.

It needs to be figured out. And quite frankly, may take more than just this season.
Nevertheless, this is Still a Championship caliber team.

They need to stop tripping over each other, though. (Metaphorically)

[Captain_Caveman]

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

I Disagree. -- I think this IS the Team.
We came to within 5 mins of the NBA Finals.

And that was without injured players Hayward, Irving, Theis, and Larkin.
Now, we have 3 of those players back in the Mix.

It needs to be figured out. And quite frankly, may take more than just this season.
Nevertheless, this is Still a Championship caliber team.

They need to stop tripping over each other, though. (Metaphorically)

Even if it were, we wouldn’t be able to resign everyone. Ainge still looking for the kill shot, IMO.

[Jaqua92]

You seem to be misplacing your anger. You should be mad at the injury, yet you seem to be mad at Gordon and Brad. Weird. He was worth the contract and then got injured and now it's up in the air whether he will be good again.

He was injured, it sucks, yes. But it's over a year removed from the injury and Stevens is giving him entirely too many minutes where he **** the bed, so that's where we can have anger with the coach and player. What are we Gunna deal with 2 years of "those shots will start to fall"?

It's over a year removed from the actual injury, yes, but otherwise your statement is just foolish. How many months of healing after the initial surgery until he could even put enough weight on it to stand? Walk? Run lightly? Jog? Then sprint in a straight line only? Then another unforeseen surgery in August to remove the pins and plate that set his rehab back. He wasn't cutting and moving laterally on a regular basis until right before camp started. This is not an injury you just heal up and get back to 100% normal like an ankle sprain. This is something that will take months, if not a year, to recover fully from. Add in the mental component of always being timid and worried that the next time you go all out and make a cut, you could blow it out again...THAT makes it even harder.

I swear half of Celtics fans act like Gordon just **** sprained his ankle and should be over it. It's ridiculous.

I think the point that the green hopefuls are missing though is that yes, it will take a long time for him to recover. Just because he is still struggling now because of the recovery, does not mean he will mentally get over it or be the same player. Hayward may never return to allstar form

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[K For Three]

Not worried about Hayward.

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

You can say the same for the Lakers, pretty obvious Lebron is in the same boat.

Ironically behind the scenes, Lebron and Kyrie are probably recruiting the same stars.

With that being said, I would bet Danny expected the C's to be higher then 5th in the east by New Years.

[K For Three]

How could you not be? He looks like he doesn't even care out there. Same set Everytime, he takes the ball top of the key, hands it off or passes. Every single time. It's either that or he's standing in the corner

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People are way overstating this. Brad would ideally shorten the rotation so we could start getting some chemistry out there. That’s the big issue as far as I see it. Unfortunately, he can’t do that. We have too many guys. Morris and Smart have played their way into the starting lineup, and we still need to play Jaylen and Terry.

This isn’t the team. This is the team we hope will get us the team. In the meantime, we are trying keep trade values high and options numerous.

I Disagree. -- I think this IS the Team.
We came to within 5 mins of the NBA Finals.

And that was without injured players Hayward, Irving, Theis, and Larkin.
Now, we have 3 of those players back in the Mix.

It needs to be figured out. And quite frankly, may take more than just this season.
Nevertheless, this is Still a Championship caliber team.

They need to stop tripping over each other, though. (Metaphorically)

I still have hope like you do but I think people need to get over last year too. The east was crap. Hell the Bucks didn't even have a coach, Philly we already know we own and outside of Lebron that Cavs team was utter trash.

We also had Al Horford playing out of his damn mind, can he repeat this? I hope so. He was arguably MVP of the eastern playoffs IMO after Lebron.