When will Trae be as good as Doncic?

[marco102]

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

ED-U-CATE them Jay!

[King Ken]

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

Trae defense is decent. He starting to realize how important communication is and isn't out of sorts as much. Not sure if it's a testament to no Prince but he clearly has improved in that area. His lateral quickness is pretty good. He is in position these days more than not. I think his issue is he doesn't cause a lot of turnovers or get a lot of rebounds so his defensive stats don't back up the tape. His defense has been much better of late. But in November, he was a defensive wreck.

[marco102]

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

Trae defense is decent. He starting to realize how important communication is and isn't out of sorts as much. Not sure if it's a testament to no Prince but he clearly has improved in that area. His lateral quickness is pretty good. He is in position these days more than not. I think his issue is he doesn't cause a lot of turnovers or get a lot of rebounds so his defensive stats don't back up the tape. His defense has been much better of late. But in November, he was a defensive wreck.

Yeah, his defensive effort and defense were completely unacceptable in November. I'm liking the effort and improvement in off the ball defense in December. It's still bad, but I see improvement.

[jayu70]

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

If my math is correct: Kemba' 1st 33 games - 24.5% from 3.
Trae's 1st 33 games 25.4% from 3.

[Bob8]

We all knew Trae's defense would be bad though. Like we all knew Doncic was more NBA ready. So what's your point? The poster said Trae's defense was bad. I'm making the point that Doncic's defense is bad too. And stop freaking winking at me. That's something you send to soemone of the opposite sex (or same depending on your preference) when you're flirting with them.

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

I tried to explained that the biggest difference is in theirs bodies, undersized Pg vs. 6'8", 230 Pg. That won't change. About his professional training, Luka is 19, rookie in totally different league. do you really believe his D. is that much better because he played in Europe? players, rules, spacing, courts, systems, defences...everything is different in Europe.

[marco102]

Luka's D. is great in comparison to Trae and he's great rebounder. I understand you should care only for Trae, but if you have thread like that and you're comparing Trae's ceiling to Luka's, I can put down my opinion. Btw. I like Trae.

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

I tried to explained that the biggest difference is in theirs bodies, undersized Pg vs. 6'8", 230 Pg. That won't change. About his professional training, Luka is 19, rookie in totally different league. do you really believe his D. is that much better because he played in Europe? players, rules, spacing, courts, systems, defences...everything is different in Europe.

Yes, I do, because they teach defensive concepts in Europe much better than college basketball.

Edit: Let me rephrase that, I'm saying his defense should not be as bad as Trae's because he should have a better understanding of defensive concepts.

Again neither one of them are good at defense. Why are we even discussing this? Nothing changes the fact that Luka and Trae are bad at defense. Debating that an undersized point guard is worse than a big dude is a moot point. They both aren't good at that end.

[Bob8]

Uh, check those stats for the past 10 games and you might get a surprise. Trae's defense has improved. Like I said, if Luka's defense was as bad as Trae's with all that professional training he's had, that would be a problem. Once again, it doesn't change the fact that his defense is bad too. I wasn't saying either played great defense, but you wanted to interject and support your boy Doncic. Cool beans!

I tried to explained that the biggest difference is in theirs bodies, undersized Pg vs. 6'8", 230 Pg. That won't change. About his professional training, Luka is 19, rookie in totally different league. do you really believe his D. is that much better because he played in Europe? players, rules, spacing, courts, systems, defences...everything is different in Europe.

Yes, I do, because they teach defensive concepts in Europe much better than college basketball.

o.k. we can try from other end, do you believe, Luka would have been better defender than Trae, if he was 6'1", 180? Size matters.

[Squigglepuffin]

First of all, no new england patriots fan should post on any Atlanta board. Guess what, we hate every sports team in Boston!

Doncic is excellent, but let's please stop crowning the kid. He won't be a generational talent until he drags scrubs to NBA finals like Lebron. All star level most definitely. He's also atrocious on the defensive end, but that gets overlooked because his offense has been going well for now.

I actually wanted Doncic in the draft and was pretty pissed when we didn't get him. I can see glimpses of why the gm made the trade. Right now, it's Luka by a landslide, but we don't know Trae's ceiling and we don't know who the other player will turn out to be. What if Trae turns into Steve Nash light and the Mav's pick is Lebron esq? The Hawks win a championship and Luka is averaging 30pts 10 assists and 10 rebounds in the future with no Championships. Guess what, the Hawks would take that trade everyday no matter what.

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

Thank you for that. That's very interesting. It does provide hope. It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier. And I hope Trae is that outlier too.

I'm not rooting against Trae. I hope he succeeds on the level Doncic is. But the premise of the thread is when will Trae be as good as Doncic. It's been said already that you can never tell how a career will pan out. There could be some horrendous injury to Doncic that stops his career (hope not) , but if anyone were to project the careers of what Young and Doncic will look like (and 538 will do that next year with their melo comparisons) in the long run it's unlikely Trae will be on the same level as Doncic.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be entertaining. In the short term if the question is how long will it take for Young to possibly have the overall impact (basic stats plus advanced metrics) Doncic is having only this year, the 2018-19 season, I'd say it's going to take some time. Towards the end of his rookie contract.

Someone said I'm trolling. I'm not. Just because someone has a different opinion, and perhaps an opinion that goes against their own, it doesn't mean they're trolling. Like I said in the beginning I hope people stop comparing Young and Doncic because it's just not fair.

[marco102]

I tried to explained that the biggest difference is in theirs bodies, undersized Pg vs. 6'8", 230 Pg. That won't change. About his professional training, Luka is 19, rookie in totally different league. do you really believe his D. is that much better because he played in Europe? players, rules, spacing, courts, systems, defences...everything is different in Europe.

Yes, I do, because they teach defensive concepts in Europe much better than college basketball.

o.k. we can try from other end, do you believe, Luka would have been better defender than Trae, if he was 6'1", 180? Size matters.

Again, yes. Because he should have a better understanding of defensive concepts (i.e positioning, switching, how to fight over screens). If we're going to say that Luka played in the second best league, he should obviously have a better understanding of defensive concepts and by that fact alone should be a better defender than someone coming out college basketball.

[Bob8]

Yes, I do, because they teach defensive concepts in Europe much better than college basketball.

o.k. we can try from other end, do you believe, Luka would have been better defender than Trae, if he was 6'1", 180? Size matters.

Again, yes. Because he should have a better understanding of defensive concepts (i.e positioning, switching, how to fight over screens). If we're going to say that Luka played in the second best league, he should obviously have a better understanding of defensive concepts and by that fact alone should be a better defender than someone coming out college basketball.

o.k. It's not about the size, but only about better training in his youth, which, I guess, soon won't matter. let's see.

[marco102]

o.k. we can try from other end, do you believe, Luka would have been better defender than Trae, if he was 6'1", 180? Size matters.

Again, yes. Because he should have a better understanding of defensive concepts (i.e positioning, switching, how to fight over screens). If we're going to say that Luka played in the second best league, he should obviously have a better understanding of defensive concepts and by that fact alone should be a better defender than someone coming out college basketball.

o.k. It's not about the size, but only about better training in his youth, which, I guess, soon won't matter. let's see.

See my edited post above.

[jayu70]

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

Thank you for that. That's very interesting. It does provide hope. It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier. And I hope Trae is that outlier too.

I'm not rooting against Trae. I hope he succeeds on the level Doncic is. But the premise of the thread is when will Trae be as good as Doncic. It's been said already that you can never tell how a career will pan out. There could be some horrendous injury to Doncic that stops his career (hope not) , but if anyone were to project the careers of what Young and Doncic will look like (and 538 will do that next year with their melo comparisons) in the long run it's unlikely Trae will be on the same level as Doncic.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be entertaining. In the short term if the question is how long will it take for Young to possibly have the overall impact (basic stats plus advanced metrics) Doncic is having only this year, the 2018-19 season, I'd say it's going to take some time. Towards the end of his rookie contract.

Someone said I'm trolling. I'm not. Just because someone has a different opinion, and perhaps an opinion that goes against their own, it doesn't mean they're trolling. Like I said in the beginning I hope people stop comparing Young and Doncic because it's just not fair.

why is Kemba an outlier? Because it dispelled your claim about a player shooting badly that turned into a good player?
Chris Paul shot 28% from 3 in his first 33 games.

[King Ken]

. Yes it's early but then again there has been no player who has shot as poorly a Trae is that has turned out to be a really good player. I can't remember where I read the statistic but it was basically saying that Trae is shooting so horrendously that there is no player in memory that has got off to such a rough start shooting wise that has turned the corner and become a really good player.

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

Thank you for that. That's very interesting. It does provide hope. It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier. And I hope Trae is that outlier too.

I'm not rooting against Trae. I hope he succeeds on the level Doncic is. But the premise of the thread is when will Trae be as good as Doncic. It's been said already that you can never tell how a career will pan out. There could be some horrendous injury to Doncic that stops his career (hope not) , but if anyone were to project the careers of what Young and Doncic will look like (and 538 will do that next year with their melo comparisons) in the long run it's unlikely Trae will be on the same level as Doncic.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be entertaining. In the short term if the question is how long will it take for Young to possibly have the overall impact (basic stats plus advanced metrics) Doncic is having only this year, the 2018-19 season, I'd say it's going to take some time. Towards the end of his rookie contract.

Someone said I'm trolling. I'm not. Just because someone has a different opinion, and perhaps an opinion that goes against their own, it doesn't mean they're trolling. Like I said in the beginning I hope people stop comparing Young and Doncic because it's just not fair.

It’s ok to disagree, we all have our own opinions, but please refrain from personal attacks or swearing.

-ATL Boy

[Squigglepuffin]

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

Thank you for that. That's very interesting. It does provide hope. It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier. And I hope Trae is that outlier too.

I'm not rooting against Trae. I hope he succeeds on the level Doncic is. But the premise of the thread is when will Trae be as good as Doncic. It's been said already that you can never tell how a career will pan out. There could be some horrendous injury to Doncic that stops his career (hope not) , but if anyone were to project the careers of what Young and Doncic will look like (and 538 will do that next year with their melo comparisons) in the long run it's unlikely Trae will be on the same level as Doncic.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be entertaining. In the short term if the question is how long will it take for Young to possibly have the overall impact (basic stats plus advanced metrics) Doncic is having only this year, the 2018-19 season, I'd say it's going to take some time. Towards the end of his rookie contract.

Someone said I'm trolling. I'm not. Just because someone has a different opinion, and perhaps an opinion that goes against their own, it doesn't mean they're trolling. Like I said in the beginning I hope people stop comparing Young and Doncic because it's just not fair.

why is Kemba an outlier? Because it dispelled your claim about a player shooting badly that turned into a good player?
Chris Paul shot 28% from 3 in his first 33 games.

I didn't say Kemba was an outlier I said, " It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier." That is to say I wonder if there are a tonne of point guards who are comparable on a number of levels (because advanced stats say a lot) like Kemba and Trae are to see if it is a regular pattern for a player to play as poorly as Kemba did in his rookie season to become as good as he is now, or is it only Kemba?

For example Chris Paul is not a good overall comparison for Trae Young. Offensive Rating, Defensive Rating, and my fav metric WS per 48 are vastly different between Chris Paul and Trae Young. Those advanced stats state pretty emphatically how much better Chris Paul was in rookie season compared to Trae Young, whereas Kemba Walker was pretty similar to Trae even in these advanced stats.

[Squigglepuffin]

Kemba Walker's advance offensive stats his rookie season nothing to write home about.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Trae+Young&player_id1_select=Trae+Young&y1=2019&player_id1=youngtr01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Kemba+Walker&player_id2_select=Kemba+Walker&y2=2012&player_id2=walkeke02&idx=players

Thank you for that. That's very interesting. It does provide hope. It would be even better if there were a bunch of comparable players to see what their careers turned out to be because maybe Kemba is that outlier. And I hope Trae is that outlier too.

I'm not rooting against Trae. I hope he succeeds on the level Doncic is. But the premise of the thread is when will Trae be as good as Doncic. It's been said already that you can never tell how a career will pan out. There could be some horrendous injury to Doncic that stops his career (hope not) , but if anyone were to project the careers of what Young and Doncic will look like (and 538 will do that next year with their melo comparisons) in the long run it's unlikely Trae will be on the same level as Doncic.

I hope I'm wrong because that would be entertaining. In the short term if the question is how long will it take for Young to possibly have the overall impact (basic stats plus advanced metrics) Doncic is having only this year, the 2018-19 season, I'd say it's going to take some time. Towards the end of his rookie contract.

Someone said I'm trolling. I'm not. Just because someone has a different opinion, and perhaps an opinion that goes against their own, it doesn't mean they're trolling. Like I said in the beginning I hope people stop comparing Young and Doncic because it's just not fair.

You are trolling your ass off.

First you came in here with a pompous "I'm white and right" condescending tone. That already rubbed me the wrong way because if I know Luca white stans to be two things, it's arrogant and wrong af.

Let's address key points because you love to type a lot and say a lot of nothing with hyperbole mixed in-between.

"The reality is Trae is so small, his defense so bad that in a playoff series he'll just get switched on and backed down continuously."
a. We are not going to be in the playoffs this year.
b. He guarded bigs on switches. He has quick feet and hands. He has a decent instinctual feel for the game on defense. His issue was not taking every possession seriously. He gotten much better at that of late.
c. Mainly ones who give him issue are the Livingston's, Wall's, Mudiay and Westbrook's of the world on the block. Guys who can pass it out when help comes fast enough to make us pay.

"He would have to be averaging really high numbers to have a significant impact on the court overall"
Here's the thing, he is:
His 19/9/3.5 per36 is elite for a rookie true PG.

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

"He'll go on to have a Jason Terry type of career, which is decent, but Luka really is a generational talent."

I completely disagree. I seen Jet with the Hawks and went to a lot of games live. Trae is a lot more talented and it's not even close. Trae basketball instincts is tremendously better. His PG skills is tremendously better. His court vision is elite right now. His passing can improve but it's better than any version of JT0. Especially our version. I also don't buy Doncic is generational. I think he is special but I think he is more Manu, Pierce, and a Larry Bird lite more than a potential superstar and some. I am saying that from just watching a lot of Dallas games on LP.

"Doncic dropped 34 tonight. He is getting better as the season progresses. In 5 years the trade will be seen as one of the worst draft night trades ever. I hope people stop comparing Doncic and Young. It's just unfair. Hopefully you guys get a good pick this year and your GM doesn't try to be a hero thinking he's the smartest man in the room again."

This is where your stupid ass was trolling your ass off. Trae just **** dropped 20+, 11 assists with 4 boards and a 1 steal in less than 33 mins. Get the hell outta here, dummy! The kid is balling out of control of late. Last six games, he is shooting over 48% from 3. This is a RAW player. Not a damn player who has played as much pro Basketball as KAT and more than D. Russell in Doncic.

You damn right we have to right to compare him or any damn one else. Throw yourself off a **** ledge on the trade ****. We got a likely lottery pick coming from Dallas and a quality young core with another one. We are in a great position long term. I clearly feel like we can win that trade in the duration of it's lifetime.

Our GM did his job. His job is to put us in the best possible position to win championships in Atlanta. I like our direction. I am happy with the pick. You really had no business in this thread especially with **** hyperbole and a **** up attitude.

Not trolling. I didn't even get past the second paragraph since I've never heard the term "White and right" being used in a basketball forum. It's the strangest thing ever, especially since it sort of implies that I am white, which you don't even know if it's the case or not. Like what kind of language is that to use? I wish the Hawks the best. I just think for a multitude of reasons Trae in the future won't ever be as good as Luka will be in the future, which was the premise of the thread.

[King Ken]

For example Chris Paul is not a good overall comparison for Trae Young. Offensive Rating, Defensive Rating, and my fav metric WS per 48 are vastly different between Chris Paul and Trae Young. Those advanced stats state pretty emphatically how much better Chris Paul was in rookie season compared to Trae Young, whereas Kemba Walker was pretty similar to Trae even in these advanced stats.

That troll **** again.

**** outta here with the OffRtg, DefRtg nonsense. He is a damn rookie on a bad basketball team. His analytics are not gonna be good by principle. It's more important to you know, actually watch the games. See what his strengths, improvement areas, and just down right flaws are.

Watching Trae and how teams defend him and how teams scheme him tells me he is getting the respect that an elite PG, not good, not just NBA vet like Reggie Jackson or Dennis Schroeder but ELITE true PG's get on the court.

I am talking consistent double teams and traps, different defensive looks, hard hedging, etc. He sees it all. Vince Carter mention as much in terms of looks he is seeing.

Young has been forced to do much of his damage on these types of shots, not only because his 3-pointers aren't dropping, but also because he's being guarded as if they are. "He's seeing a lot of things that aren't thrown at other guys until later in their career," Vince Carter, who is constantly in Young's ear, told CBS Sports.

It's true. Guys like Curry and Lillard got a grace period before they started getting blitzed off pick and rolls and double-teamed out to 30 and 35 feet, and even they didn't react perfectly to start. Who doesn't remember all those one-handed hook passes Curry used to throw away trying to pass over traps? As recently as last year's playoffs, Lillard was clearly affected by New Orleans' blitzing defense as the Blazers got swept in the first round. This is not easy. Young, on reputation alone, is getting a baptism by fire.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/why-hawks-feel-rookie-trae-young-is-ahead-of-schedule-and-how-hes-measuring-up-to-luka-doncic/

CP3 was in a different NBA than Trae is and he was on a different team as well. No one under 25 got more than 20 mins per game that season on that team outside of CP3. He was on a vet team. Not to mention, adv stats will always favor CP3. He gets steals, D-Rebs, and had his highest FT% of his career that season. That's why I watch the games. It gets me a better feel of what can and can't players do and how impactful are they really to winning and impactful basketball.

For me, the per36 is perfect. It tells me what my eyes see. Trae has the potential to be an elite scorer and playmaker. That's important in the new NBA. If Trae plays within himself and continues his hard work and improvement, why can't he be one of the best players in the NBA. At that point, he would be the most impactful. Trae is a tremendous talent. Is he raw, yes. Does he positively impact winning, not yet. But will he, I think he will more than impact it, he will dominate it!

[King Ken]

Not trolling. I didn't even get past the second paragraph since I've never heard the term "White and right" being used in a basketball forum. It's the strangest thing ever, especially since it sort of implies that I am white, which you don't even know if it's the case or not. Like what kind of language is that to use? I wish the Hawks the best. I just think for a multitude of reasons Trae in the future won't ever be as good as Luka will be in the future, which was the premise of the thread.

Your tone and delivery is a lot like this:



It's a dead giveaway that you are going to have a "I'm white and right" message. Trying to **** tell people what they can and can't think or talk about. Get the hell outta here and go back to the Celtics subforum. Your not welcome here anymore. You overstayed it by 3 posts.

[hawkmanreturns]

In before the lock.

[Archx]

Damn this thread went places lol... I have never seen a random guy defending a random person with such passion as King Ken is defending Trae

[Nathan2331]

Damn this thread went places lol... I have never seen a random guy defending a random person with such passion as King Ken is defending Trae

If you really want to see some fireworks, say something wrong about Al Horford. Just kidding Supes.