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Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank

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What should the Knicks approach be with Frank

Try to develop until prime years (~26) - essentially hold until it's 100% clear what he is
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30%
Hold and try to develop until the end of rookie contract
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Hold until season's end/middle of next season to make a decision
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9%
Look to trade him now for assets and/or a salary dump
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15%
Other
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3%
 
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#461 » by dakomish23 » Thu Dec 27, 2018 11:59 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:How is going to be a steady number 3 without reps at the number 1. And it's a throwaway season. So why not see what you can do with a guy under contract the next two years.

See how it's done?


Now apply that same logic to a guy who is way younger and on a way cheaper deal.

See how it’s done?
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#462 » by prophet_of_rage » Fri Dec 28, 2018 4:45 pm

dakomish23 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:How is going to be a steady number 3 without reps at the number 1. And it's a throwaway season. So why not see what you can do with a guy under contract the next two years.

See how it's done?


Now apply that same logic to a guy who is way younger and on a way cheaper deal.

See how it’s done?


I do. Then there shouldn't be a problem with Hardaway getting minutes and direct the Frank vitriol at some other player. Mudiay is really the player people wanting Frank to play more should be complaining about, but Mudiay is much better so it's a tough argument to say Frank should be playing over him.

That's the problem. Frank hasn't outplayed anybody in front of him.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#463 » by Reign23 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:02 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:How is going to be a steady number 3 without reps at the number 1. And it's a throwaway season. So why not see what you can do with a guy under contract the next two years.

See how it's done?


Now apply that same logic to a guy who is way younger and on a way cheaper deal.

See how it’s done?


I do. Then there shouldn't be a problem with Hardaway getting minutes and direct the Frank vitriol at some other player. Mudiay is really the player people wanting Frank to play more should be complaining about, but Mudiay is much better so it's a tough argument to say Frank should be playing over him.

That's the problem. Frank hasn't outplayed anybody in front of him.


does he outplay one of the mentioned playes if he makes 20 points on 8 of 20 shooting?
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#464 » by Ray Williams » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:15 pm

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Post#465 » by 1999 » Fri Dec 28, 2018 8:51 pm

Ray Williams wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/frank-ntilikina-knicks-rebuild-key-nba-future-2018-12

This is why you don’t give up on Frank


I read the whole article and I’m more concerned about Frank referring to himself as a process...


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#466 » by Ray Williams » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:09 pm

1999 wrote:
Ray Williams wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/frank-ntilikina-knicks-rebuild-key-nba-future-2018-12

This is why you don’t give up on Frank


I read the whole article and I’m more concerned about Frank referring to himself as a process...


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I feel the opposite. He realizes that at 20 years old and coming from a country where point guards are asked to fulfill a different role than here in the US he’s not going to be a finished product in 1 year. He knows it’s going to take time and work on his part to get where he and we want him to be. That is a process, the fact he knows he has work to do excites me, the young man is intelligent and seems to be willing to put the work in. He knows it won’t happen overnight so he won’t be frustrated when results don’t happen overnight like some want.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#467 » by cgf » Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:54 am

Only knicks fans could see self-awareness in a 20 yo as a negative lol
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#468 » by mpharris36 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:32 pm



this is why I have confidence in the kid...surround him with a couple of scoreres (KP/max FA/top pick).

The guy can't put up 10 and 7 games with great defense?...he's a weapon if he's playing like the above. This is what gets me excited.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#469 » by whocares1 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:39 pm

cgf wrote:Only knicks fans could see self-awareness in a 20 yo as a negative lol


I just wish the users here would exhibit the same self awareness.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#470 » by thebuzzardman » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:43 pm

1999 wrote:
Ray Williams wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/frank-ntilikina-knicks-rebuild-key-nba-future-2018-12

This is why you don’t give up on Frank


I read the whole article and I’m more concerned about Frank referring to himself as a process...


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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#471 » by GONYK » Sat Dec 29, 2018 5:46 pm

mpharris36 wrote:

this is why I have confidence in the kid...surround him with a couple of scoreres (KP/max FA/top pick).

The guy can't put up 10 and 7 games with great defense...he's a weapon if he's playing like the above. This is what gets me excited.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#472 » by HerSports85 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:11 pm

mpharris36 wrote:

this is why I have confidence in the kid...surround him with a couple of scoreres (KP/max FA/top pick).

The guy can't put up 10 and 7 games with great defense?...he's a weapon if he's playing like the above. This is what gets me excited.


This is why KP wants him on the floor. Just from the clip you can see KP trusted the ball in his hands. I miss his defense.. it was better last year. I hate the way the coaching staff is trying to develop him and make him something he’s not.

We will regret it when he’s along side of Doncic and thriving
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Post#473 » by HerSports85 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:19 pm

Another thing Frank still trains with his same trainers that he had before the draft in the offseason.. I’ll like for him to reach out to Tony Parker, Steve Nash, etc...
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#474 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:06 pm

These articles keep telling me Frank needs a lot and produces little. A 3 and D guy with ballhandling and playmaking is a superstar not a roleplayer.

That would bebKlaybThompson with point guard skills. Or Harden playing defence.

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Post#475 » by MaseInYourFace » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:06 pm

HerSports85 wrote:Another thing Frank still trains with his same trainers that he had before the draft in the offseason.. I’ll like for him to reach out to Tony Parker, Steve Nash, etc...


He needs to take a hard look at that. Nothing wrong with making changes especially when things aren't working out.
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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#476 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:09 pm

Seems fantsstic for a kid who hasn't improved yet.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#477 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:11 pm

Reign23 wrote:
prophet_of_rage wrote:
dakomish23 wrote:
Now apply that same logic to a guy who is way younger and on a way cheaper deal.

See how it’s done?


I do. Then there shouldn't be a problem with Hardaway getting minutes and direct the Frank vitriol at some other player. Mudiay is really the player people wanting Frank to play more should be complaining about, but Mudiay is much better so it's a tough argument to say Frank should be playing over him.

That's the problem. Frank hasn't outplayed anybody in front of him.


does he outplay one of the mentioned playes if he makes 20 points on 8 of 20 shooting?
I don't know, but shooting 40 per cent would be an improvement for him.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#478 » by Reign23 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:50 pm

prophet_of_rage wrote:
Reign23 wrote:
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I do. Then there shouldn't be a problem with Hardaway getting minutes and direct the Frank vitriol at some other player. Mudiay is really the player people wanting Frank to play more should be complaining about, but Mudiay is much better so it's a tough argument to say Frank should be playing over him.

That's the problem. Frank hasn't outplayed anybody in front of him.


does he outplay one of the mentioned playes if he makes 20 points on 8 of 20 shooting?
I don't know, but shooting 40 per cent would be an improvement for him.

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#479 » by GONYK » Sat Dec 29, 2018 9:40 pm

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Re: Hot Topic - Quite Frankly; All Things Frank 

Post#480 » by prophet_of_rage » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:22 pm

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So Dot and Vonleh carry Frank?

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