Taurean Prince

macd-gm · Post #301 » by **macd-gm** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:38 pm

I don't think his value is any less than it's ever been. GMs know what they are getting and know that circumstances affect play. Baze wasn't that great last year either but about 2 weeks into the summer everyone was touting him as a wing they wanted to acquire.

The thing with Prince though is that he's the only true 3 on the roster.

MaceCase · Post #302 » by **MaceCase** » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:26 pm

macd-gm wrote:I don't think his value is any less than it's ever been. GMs know what they are getting and know that circumstances affect play. Baze wasn't that great last year either but about 2 weeks into the summer everyone was touting him as a wing they wanted to acquire.

The thing with Prince though is that he's the only true 3 on the roster.

GMs are more likely looking at Prince when he started in the playoffs as an athletic wing that can shoot some and then sprinkling some video of him the last two seasons to see that he's a guy that can produce in spots.

Post #303 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:46 pm

Notice Prince is in none of the most efficient lineups, but in all of the least efficient.

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Nathan2331 · Post #304 » by **Nathan2331** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:33 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:Notice Prince is in none of the most efficient lineups, but in all of the least efficient.

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Why is that notable? Even Prince would have to admit he had he had an abysmal start to the season. If he stops with the hero ball, and plays within his own capabilities he's still a quality player in a valuable position.

Post #305 » by **Jamaaliver** » Sat Dec 29, 2018 10:31 pm

Nathan2331 wrote:Why is that notable? Even Prince would have to admit he had an abysmal start to the season. If he stops with the hero ball, and plays within his own capabilities he's still a quality player in a valuable position.

Travis Schlenk will have a decision to make on Taurean's long term future in the coming months.

Due to age, contract status and low ceiling, I believe it's in the team's best interest to deal him.

Seeing that the team's best lineups don't include him, further reinforces that opinion.

benhillboy · Post #306 » by **benhillboy** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:05 am

Nathan2331 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Notice Prince is in none of the most efficient lineups, but in all of the least efficient.

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Why is that notable?

The question is “how notable?” The answer is “very.” It backs up what I’ve seen all season, Taurean is the only consistent drag on the team. Even Dorsey’s rebounding is more valuable than anything he brings.

Nathan2331 · Post #307 » by **Nathan2331** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:24 am

Jamaaliver wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:Why is that notable? Even Prince would have to admit he had an abysmal start to the season. If he stops with the hero ball, and plays within his own capabilities he's still a quality player in a valuable position.

Travis Schlenk will have a decision to make on Taurean's long term future in the coming months.

Due to age, contract status and low ceiling, I believe it's in the team's best interest to deal him.

Seeing that the team's best lineups don't include him, further reinforces that opinion.

If you don't believe Prince can readjust his game to become a positive contributor, then that's a fine opinion to hold. I just think that while Prince isn't going to be a star, I do believe he can be an efficient shooter with solid defence in a position that's in demand. Quality wings are not that common, Prince is worth more to us than a low first than may never pan out to anything better.

benhillboy wrote:
Nathan2331 wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:Notice Prince is in none of the most efficient lineups, but in all of the least efficient.

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Why is that notable?

The question is “how notable?” The answer is “very.” It backs up what I’ve seen all season, Taurean is the only consistent drag on the team. Even Dorsey’s rebounding is more valuable than anything he brings.

I think we all can agree Prince has been terrible though. His box score numbers and our eyes told us that. I'm not defending his play, but I do think he's capable of playing better if he stops trying to take games over. Earlier in the season when there was no team chemistry it was excusable (in my opinion). Now that we've got most of the team playing at a high level without him, I would like to think he'll stop with the hero ball and play within himself. If he can shoot with efficiency and at least play solid defense, that's a starting level SF we should be happy with. I think he's more than capable of it, we'll see what management believes. We need to plug holes in this roster not open new ones.

benhillboy · Post #308 » by **benhillboy** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:14 pm

I feel you Nate but I’ve seen all I need to on Taurean. His absence along with Johnny approaching peak health have clearly been the catalysts for the much improved play. 89 year old Vince splits his time between 3 and 4 like Taurean and is still more efficient with lower usage. Vince is a wonderful, team dude but I assure you he ain’t trying to have his minutes cut the way he’s playing right now. Can’t take Baze’s hustle off, nor our defensive “stopper” Bem. You notice the Hawks are in no rush to get Taurean back on the floor. When he does he’s gonna have “rust” because he isn’t a great athlete, then you’re gonna have Poythress, Anderson, and Huerter looking at coach crazy. I’m just not looking forward to it when we’ve become respectable, keep the current chemistry flowing.

King Ken · Post #309 » by **King Ken** » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:42 pm

Prince is good.
I mean, he can shoot especially catch and shoot and from the corner 3. He can create for others but he doesn't play at a high pace well. He likes to take a lot of risks defensively and we don't have the personnel that really works with him to do that with the starters. Trae has to be protected and Collins is a liability so it's not like we got Millsap or someone great on D to protect Prince.

I call him the Black Hedo Turkoglu. He just simply doesn't fit our personnel grouping. Once we let go of Sap and moved to Trae. The writing was on the wall for him in terms of fit. Just simple as that.

I still think he got All Star potential. I still think he is a good SF. But he is in a bad fit situation as a starter with us. I would rather him off the Bench when its Poythress, Len and Lin in the game. He would be in a much better fit for how he plays the game.

If you ask me who are our top players. He is one of the three with Bazemore and Collins. Trae is starting to come along so maybe he will join the mix soon. Still learning how to be a pro for Trae.

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macd-gm · Post #310 » by **macd-gm** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 6:01 pm

Prince was healthy when the whole team was absolutely trash and when Collins wasn't here. I'm good with moving him but that's a weak case to say he was solely the culprit when we sucked.

hawkmanreturns · Post #311 » by **hawkmanreturns** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:39 pm

This Hawks team is in the talent acquisition phase of the rebuild. I don't see any real benefit to getting rid of a young player like Prince at this point. He can obviously shoot and can defend when motivated. The Hawks need those things from Prince minus the hero ball stuff that had us all giving him the side eye. If he plays within the team concept and plays to his strengths when he comes back, he's a keeper and should be a part of the team moving forward.

Post #312 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:51 pm

hawkmanreturns wrote:This Hawks team is in the talent acquisition phase of the rebuild. I don't see any real benefit to getting rid of a young player like Prince at this point. He can obviously shoot and can defend when motivated. The Hawks need those things from Prince minus the hero ball stuff that had us all giving him the side eye. If he plays within the team concept and plays to his strengths when he comes back, he's a keeper and should be a part of the team moving forward.

IT'S MAINLY just THE ISSUE of A ticking CLOCK. we CAN offer A ROOKIE CONTRACT EXTENSION extension to him as early as this summer.

If we fail to get one inked, he becomes an attractive young RFA in summer 2020. If we're drafting a younger SF with a higher ceiling anyway, it behooves us to get value.

TL;DR -- it's gonna cost us to keep Taurean. Do you wanna commit long term money to TP knowing he's not the long term solution at SF for this squad?

macd-gm · Post #313 » by **macd-gm** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:00 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
hawkmanreturns wrote:This Hawks team is in the talent acquisition phase of the rebuild. I don't see any real benefit to getting rid of a young player like Prince at this point. He can obviously shoot and can defend when motivated. The Hawks need those things from Prince minus the hero ball stuff that had us all giving him the side eye. If he plays within the team concept and plays to his strengths when he comes back, he's a keeper and should be a part of the team moving forward.

IT'S MAINLY just THE ISSUE of A ticking CLOCK. we CAN offer A ROOKIE CONTRACT EXTENSION extension to him as early as this summer.

If we fail to get one inked, he becomes an attractive young RFA in summer 2020. If we're drafting a younger SF with a higher ceiling anyway, it behooves us to get value.

TL;DR -- it's gonna cost us to keep Taurean. Do you wanna commit long term money to TP knowing he's not the long term solution at SF for this squad?

What's this capitalization thing again? Am I supposed to read that like I'm Christopher Walken?

Post #314 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:02 pm

macd-gm wrote:What's this capitalization thing again? Am I supposed to read that like I'm Christopher Walken?

1. That's hilarious.

B. I broke my pinky playing basketball recently. The...cast keeps hitting the 'CAPS LOCK' key.

macd-gm · Post #315 » by **macd-gm** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 8:05 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
macd-gm wrote:What's this capitalization thing again? Am I supposed to read that like I'm Christopher Walken?

1. That's hilarious.

B. I broke my pinky playing basketball recently. The...cast keeps hitting the 'CAPS LOCK' key.

Love the 1. B. I think you stole that!

personanongrata · Post #316 » by **personanongrata** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:30 pm

Some Hawks fans were comparing him K. Leonard at one point. Yeah right.

Ice Trae · Post #317 » by **Ice Trae** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 7:14 pm

He needs to get back to playing with defensive intensity. He had dog in him his rookie year on that end - he was excellent at pass deflections and blocks. Unfortunately he's really regressed on that end and is looking the part of a chucker on offense with tunnel vision. The bad habits are killing his development.

tbhawksfan1 · Post #318 » by **tbhawksfan1** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 7:32 pm

As Jamaal said, is he worth re-signing and at what price. We need a better starter on the wing. How would he handle coming off the bench?

If TS thinks Prince is a team player and will adapt to rebuilding team and contribute positively while signing a reasonable contract, then why not keep him. If not, now or at latest this off-season is the time to move him. Needs to rebuild some value though

King Ken · Post #319 » by **King Ken** » Wed Jan 2, 2019 12:34 am

personanongrata wrote:Some Hawks fans were comparing him K. Leonard at one point. Yeah right.

We compared him to a lot of players just based on what he can do. I think now that we have a lot of tape on him as fans, Hedo Turkoglu is the one he is most like.

personanongrata · Post #320 » by **personanongrata** » Wed Jan 2, 2019 2:15 am

King Ken wrote:
personanongrata wrote:Some Hawks fans were comparing him K. Leonard at one point. Yeah right.

We compared him to a lot of players just based on what he can do. I think now that we have a lot of tape on him as fans, Hedo Turkoglu is the one he is most like.

I don't know about that, Hedo was a really good passer.