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Re: GT charlotte vs wiz 7pm est 

Post#101 » by BigSlam » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:29 pm

yosemiteben wrote:Zeller's salary is only 22nd highest among centers. He doesn't have some huge salary.

We gave up 20 points in the last four minutes of Q4. That's why we lost.

He averages around $14.5mil a year for three years (this and 2 more after this).

We are not getting $14.5mil a year of productivity out of him. And I’d venture to say he hurts us more than he helps us.

I’m not just referring to last nights game - I’m basing my opinion of him having our worst contract on his total body of work this season.

Like I said - if he gave us elite something, anything at all, it might be different.

Heck, at least someone like Ryan Hollins could jump out of the gym.




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Post#102 » by yosemiteben » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:38 pm

He's being paid like a below average starting C. Most of those folks aren't elite at anything.

It baffles me that you are here arguing that what we're paying Cody is a huge amount and about how that hurts our team like Biz isn't sitting on the bench making more.
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Post#103 » by Liver_Pooty » Sun Dec 30, 2018 9:54 pm

Biyombo makes 17 million and cant catch a basketball. That being said Zeller has been wildly disappointing.
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Post#104 » by BigSlam » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:02 pm

yosemiteben wrote:He's being paid like a below average starting C. Most of those folks aren't elite at anything.

It baffles me that you are here arguing that what we're paying Cody is a huge amount and about how that hurts our team like Biz isn't sitting on the bench making more.

We didn’t pay Biz


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Re: GT charlotte vs wiz 7pm est 

Post#105 » by yosemiteben » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:10 pm

BigSlam wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:He's being paid like a below average starting C. Most of those folks aren't elite at anything.

It baffles me that you are here arguing that what we're paying Cody is a huge amount and about how that hurts our team like Biz isn't sitting on the bench making more.

We didn’t pay Biz

We chose to use cap space to sign his predecessor and to trade for him, what's the difference?

We have $54M tied up in Biz, Batum, and MKG this season and next season, yet we're in here talking about how Cody's salary is the one most hurting our flexibility.
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Post#106 » by 316Hornets » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:20 pm

I'm still waiting for Mitch to make the proceeding Biz move. There has to be more because there's no reason he should be sitting on our roster making 17mil. Only logical move would be to move him to a team that is rebuilding and looking to get out of long term contracts in exchange for shorter ones. Possibly Washington in a Beal trade.
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Post#107 » by JDR720 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 10:23 pm

Cody being the teams best center is a bigger deal than what he is paid.

Heck, he is probably our best big. Now thats sad.
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Post#108 » by BigSlam » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:22 am

yosemiteben wrote:
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yosemiteben wrote:He's being paid like a below average starting C. Most of those folks aren't elite at anything.

It baffles me that you are here arguing that what we're paying Cody is a huge amount and about how that hurts our team like Biz isn't sitting on the bench making more.

We didn’t pay Biz

We chose to use cap space to sign his predecessor and to trade for him, what's the difference?

We have $54M tied up in Biz, Batum, and MKG this season and next season, yet we're in here talking about how Cody's salary is the one most hurting our flexibility.

The difference is we brought Biz in to rid our locker room from a cancer.

And quite frankly, I’d rather Biz starting than Cody these days.

At least Biz bring rebounding, shot blocking and physicality.

And it’s not just about flexibility - it’s game play. Cody has been awful and not worthy of his contract.

Not even close.

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Post#109 » by yosemiteben » Mon Dec 31, 2018 12:27 am

I don't mind saying Cody isn't worth his contract, but he is a much more useful player than Biz and you railing on Cody as the source of cap issues just doesn't make much sense.

I've been annoyed with Cody too, but your take of him having the worst contract on the team is way over the top.
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Post#110 » by Braggins » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:53 am

Yeah, I dont really agree with the super negative Cody takes. Hes +1.08 in RPM and +2.3 in BPM, so I'm not really sure how he is supposedly hurting the team with his play.

I think the issue is that he looks much worse than he actually is because he is bad in a lot of the areas that people judge individual talent on.

He is clearly a significant positive on defense and the stats have backed that up for years, but his defensive value is entirely based on his team defense and his ability to rotate quickly (and intelligently) and make a small impact on a lot of plays and also his switching versatility, but his individual post defense is straight up bad. If a decent post scorer gets the ball on the block against him they tend to manhandle him, so he ends up looking like a bad defender even though his presence has a positive impact on overall team defense. He also isn't the kind of rim protecting presence that will ever deter people from attacking the rim, which is a bit unfortunate.

When it comes to rebounding, he is good at consistently finding his man and putting a body on him and keeping them from rebounding out of their area, but when a missed shot goes to his area and he has to have a 1v1 fight for a rebound against a more physical center he often loses.

On offense, he basically isn't good at anything that would give you the impression that he is a viable player on offense. He doesn't shoot or finish well and he doesn't handle the ball or pass that well, but hes great at setting screens and freeing up other guys, so he actually ends up being a pretty neutral presence on offense, even though it would seem like he sucks.

He has a tendency to look really bad late in games sometimes. I think its because later in the 4th when the game slows down and the flow is disrupted the game becomes more about individual players making individual plays, rather than pure team play, and all his weaknesses become much more apparent and more of a liability.

Having said all that, I don't disagree that it would be great if we could find an upgrade to Cody at the center position, but the problem is that we already have so much of our resources tied up in the center position that I find it difficult to justify prioritizing finding another when we have other weaknesses and our coach wants to play small so much anyways.
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Re: GT charlotte vs wiz 7pm est 

Post#111 » by Eoghan » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:44 am

Batum keeps playing partly b/c no matter how nonexistent on offense he'll be, just by virtue of being tall and long he helps defense with all these switches popular now. I'd be thrilled to see Miles and Bacon get some of his minutes but Batum's length and mobility is like a security blanket for a coach.

Cody is sort of the same. He's decidedly not great at anything. He's just a good team player that is seldom out of position on defense. He's safe. Willy will make you look bad on defense. Biz will make you look bad on offense. Frank will flip a coin on one of those (although IMO he looked fairly decent before JB went with the veteran rotations). Cody's gonna give you that quarter pounder with cheese. It's not very good but it'll taste the same every time and make a solid turd.

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