What should Washington do?

[kalenclayton]

Don’t think trading anything other than Porter is an option to get below the tax at this point, and is Porter damaged goods? What is the story on his health

Damaged goods...?

Following his hip injury during the rookie season Porter has played 74, 75, 80 and 77 regular season games prior to this year.

He's missed 12 games so far this season and is expected back within the week.

The Wizards aren't going to deal Porter for salary cap relief, it's an absurd notion that keeps getting parroted around here.

Because these two teams are tied together so much, what do you anticipate happening. The Kings are interested in Porter. We know that. So what do you say the Wiz want in return? If it’s not expirings, then what is the trade? Why not Randolph, Ferrell/Mason, and Skal?

[pcbothwel]

1) Fire Grunfeld
2) Trade Ariza/Green/Morris for 2nds/cap relief and hopefully get under tax
3) Miss the playoffs and get a top-7 pick
4) Re-sign Satoransky and Bryant (and maybe Dekker) -> build around

Wall/Satoransky
Beal
Brown
Porter(/Dekker)
Bryant/Mahinmi(/Howard)
+ 2019 1st

Nobody's trading for Wall right now. Porter's value is very low because he's also struggled with injuries and hasn't played well. Beal is valuable but no need to trade him unless they get a crazy good offer.

Edit: Also fire Brooks after the season because he's awful coach. Get someone who actually has a system and holds players responsible. Pray Wall recovers like Conley did.

This...

[R-DAWG]

1) I would look to move Otto Porters money. Sacramento and Houston seem to be the two best suited to absorb the contract. Porter should be your 4th best player/glue guy but he's paid like an all-star. In Sacramento, all their guys are on rookie deals so they can afford to overpay. In Houston, they are desperate and the window to win is narrow if it hasn't closed already. Sacramento can offer Washington cap relief and some 2nd tier prospects. Houston can offer their 1st rd pick, but WAS would have to absorb the last year of Knights deal. Maybe Washington could dump Mihinmi on Sacramento.

2) John Wall. The contract is bad and he's coming off a major surgery. But the contract runs through his age 32 season, not into his mid 30's and he's still an all-star level player. This has Miami Heat written all over it. They don't have cap flexibility the next summer and they seemed prepared to give Jimmy Butler, who is a year older, a 5 year deal at similar numbers. Wall through his age 32 season is better than Butler through his age 35 season. Additionally, Miami's all-star PG, Goran Dragic, turns 33 in May and only has 1 year left on his deal (player option). I can see Miami flipping Dragic and the Waiters contract and taking on John Wall's contract. They get younger and better without really effecting their long term cap situation (which is why moving Waiters is very important). Miami will go into free agency in the summer of 2020 with Wall, Richardson, Bam, Winslow and their 2019 and 2020 1st rd picks on the roster and have a max cap slot to play with. Washington can flip Dragic to a win now team for cap space and draft picks.

So assuming you trade Porter and Mihinmi to SAC for cap space and no young pieces back. Then Wall in a trade with Miami taking back Waiters and flipping Dragic for picks, you open up $48.85MM in cap space. The roster has a 2nd star entering his prime years in Brad Beal, a likely a top 7 pick. Kevin Durant is from Washington. Washington can potentially use the assets acquired for Dragic to move Dwight Howard and Waiters, leaving Washington with about $30MM in cap space to play with after maxing out Durant.

[Dat2U]

1) I would look to move Otto Porters money. Sacramento and Houston seem to be the two best suited to absorb the contract. Porter should be your 4th best player/glue guy but he's paid like an all-star. In Sacramento, all their guys are on rookie deals so they can afford to overpay. In Houston, they are desperate and the window to win is narrow if it hasn't closed already. Sacramento can offer Washington cap relief and some 2nd tier prospects. Houston can offer their 1st rd pick, but WAS would have to absorb the last year of Knights deal. Maybe Washington could dump Mihinmi on Sacramento.

Yea, this is not happening. They'll rehab Porter's value before they dump him. He's still a very good player.

The whole dumping Porter for cap relief has been a dead horse for a while. The Wizards don't need to move a major piece for cap relief. They've saved money making smaller deals and will continue to do so.

[MoreyWins]

Find a way to relive yourself from John Wall by any means necessary as long as it doesn't impact future draft picks. End the Wall era before you draft a new player to the team in the summer. If you have to waive him then so be it.

[SmokeyPaw]

1) Fire Grunfeld
2) Trade Ariza/Green/Morris for 2nds/cap relief and hopefully get under tax
3) Miss the playoffs and get a top-7 pick
4) Re-sign Satoransky and Bryant (and maybe Dekker) -> build around

Wall/Satoransky
Beal
Brown
Porter(/Dekker)
Bryant/Mahinmi(/Howard)
+ 2019 1st

Nobody's trading for Wall right now. Porter's value is very low because he's also struggled with injuries and hasn't played well. Beal is valuable but no need to trade him unless they get a crazy good offer.

Edit: Also fire Brooks after the season because he's awful coach. Get someone who actually has a system and holds players responsible. Pray Wall recovers like Conley did.

I think this makes the most sense. There's no reason to move porter or beal now. Trades will be easier with teams having more cap space in the off season. Why limit youself to Houston and Sac?

[OGSactownballer]

While we might include a minor asset to get Porter (Mason most likely as Wiz have a pg need now), Mahnimi’s money is a non-starter without some kind of first (future would be fine because we could potentially swing that elsewhere for a 2019) to take it on as he is useless to us.

[nate33]

The Ariza trade was just so stupid. Giving up on a young player like Oubre for a stop gap veteran was the last thing they should have done.

Should've tried to trade Porter/Morris first for cap-relief

That's exactly the type of trade I expect to see: Ariza for a much cheaper contract. Kofous works. As does Rondo (plus a minimum salary contract). They can save about $5M in the deal and if they get back multiple players, they can cut players and shave another million off, getting them below the tax. Ultimately, it would be like using Oubre to dump most of Rivers' contract.

They can also try and trade Morris for a smaller contract (Muscala?).

[nate33]

Beal & J.Green to MKE for Middleton, Brogdon, and Snell. Maybe Bucks throw a pick in?

Beal helps us because he's signed to an awesome deal. Green is a vet and also expires.

Middleton is an amazing player who I think will get close to $28-$32 million a year with his next contract. Wizards could if they don't want to pay him trade him maybe to Lakers for some of their young players.

Brogdon becomes the PG for ya this year.

Snell is a good defensive player.

I would also try to trade Ariza and get a draft pick for him.

I agree if you can trade Wall now even with him ving out for the season do it. Minnesota would probably be the team?

You Bucks fans need to stop proposing Beal for Middleton deals. It makes absolutely no sense for Washington. They're not going to trade Beal. And if they were, they sure as hell wouldn't trade him for a player who will depart this summer. They would trade him for picks and assets that they could keep into the future.

Please try and consider this from Washington's perspective.

[vege]

Fire Grunfeld

Untill that's done, nothing matters.

[getrichordie]

No one is touching Wall until they see him healthy which could be why he elected to have surgery done now. Barring a setback, he should be able to go by beginning of next year’s regular season.

With that being said, moving Beal makes the most sense if they want to tank and acquire the best lottery pick they can.

And if Beal is being moved, you might as well try and move off Porter Jr. as well.

But... I’m biased because this supports my theory that OKC gets Beal at deadline.

If I’m Washington, the best thing to do is to get ahead of the issue and trade for expirings, young players and picks. Washington has very little leverage here.

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[Dat2U]

No one is touching Wall until they see him healthy which could be why he elected to have surgery done now. Barring a setback, he should be able to go by beginning of next year’s regular season.

With that being said, moving Beal makes the most sense if they want to tank and acquire the best lottery pick they can.

And if Beal is being moved, you might as well try and move off Porter Jr. as well.

But... I’m biased because this supports my theory that OKC gets Beal at deadline.

If I’m Washington, the best thing to do is to get ahead of the issue and trade for expirings, young players and picks. Washington has very little leverage here.

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Beal is not being moved. Other vets however are top for grabs. Ariza, Green, Morris.

[getrichordie]

No one is touching Wall until they see him healthy which could be why he elected to have surgery done now. Barring a setback, he should be able to go by beginning of next year’s regular season.

With that being said, moving Beal makes the most sense if they want to tank and acquire the best lottery pick they can.

And if Beal is being moved, you might as well try and move off Porter Jr. as well.

But... I’m biased because this supports my theory that OKC gets Beal at deadline.

If I’m Washington, the best thing to do is to get ahead of the issue and trade for expirings, young players and picks. Washington has very little leverage here.

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Beal is not being moved. Other vets however are top for grabs. Ariza, Green, Morris.

What makes you so sure?


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[Dat2U]

No one is touching Wall until they see him healthy which could be why he elected to have surgery done now. Barring a setback, he should be able to go by beginning of next year’s regular season.

With that being said, moving Beal makes the most sense if they want to tank and acquire the best lottery pick they can.

And if Beal is being moved, you might as well try and move off Porter Jr. as well.

But... I’m biased because this supports my theory that OKC gets Beal at deadline.

If I’m Washington, the best thing to do is to get ahead of the issue and trade for expirings, young players and picks. Washington has very little leverage here.

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Beal is not being moved. Other vets however are top for grabs. Ariza, Green, Morris.

What makes you so sure?


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I've seen every move Grunfeld has made the past 15 + years. I know how he operates. He will not deal the best asset on his roster if he doesnt have to. He will not tank or rebuild. He will retool around the core, partly b/c anything else admits failure, partly b/c he's likely stuck with Wall.

If any of the three gets dealt, its Otto and I wouldn't bet on that either.

[CelticsLV]

Try to get under the tax without giving up picks. Play out the season and draft well. Return next season and see how it goes. Wall is untradeable this season. People are way too obsessed with blowing up. Odds are flattened and there's some heavy competition for top 5 bad teams.

[Dat2U]

Try to get under the tax without giving up picks. Play out the season and draft well. Return next season and see how it goes. Wall is untradeable this season. People are way too obsessed with blowing up. Odds are flattened and there's some heavy competition for top 5 bad teams.

Bingo. You've nailed it. Get under under tax using Aroza, Morris & Green and if you can get couple of 2nds while at it great. Resign Sato & Bryant, get a high draft pick.

Gotta bring in a new coach as well and try to rehab Wall & Porter's trade value.

[Bentley1225]

The 3 deals I think Washington should do to get under tax and try to find a PG replacement for Wall:

a) Ariza to Sacramento for Randolph/2020 2nd round pick
b) Mahinmi/2020 Kings 2nd/2023 2nd to Atlanta for Plumlee
c) Green to Denver for Isaiah Thomas

Thomas/Randle/Wall
Beal/Satoransky/Baker
Porter/Brown
Morris/Dekker/Randolph
Howard/Bryant/Plumlee

[DanishLakerFan]

Beal is not being moved. Other vets however are top for grabs. Ariza, Green, Morris.

What makes you so sure?


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I've seen every move Grunfeld has made the past 15 + years. I know how he operates. He will not deal the best asset on his roster if he doesnt have to. He will not tank or rebuild. He will retool around the core, partly b/c anything else admits failure, partly b/c he's likely stuck with Wall.

If any of the three gets dealt, its Otto and I wouldn't bet on that either.

You are probably right, which is why Grunfeld should be the first to go. Wall is ok, but massively overpaid. Otto is good and based on last couple of seasons i dont think he's as overpaid as people seem to think. Beal is awesome.

Problem is that they dont like each other all that much so its tough to re-tool around that and if you try then you might miss out on a high draft pick.

[Monky15]

How many 1sts would Houston add to a Morris, Dwight, Green for Knight deal? I was thinking 2 protected 1sts should do it. 1 for the salary taken on and 1 for the difference in talent.

[Resistance]

How many 1sts would Houston add to a Morris, Dwight, Green for Knight deal? I was thinking 2 protected 1sts should do it. 1 for the salary taken on and 1 for the difference in talent.

Dwight back to Houston is likely to be a No.