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The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#241 » by Hazer » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:01 pm

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#242 » by tbhawksfan1 » Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:12 pm

He's definately making progress. He'll get his 3pt% up and will be hard to stop

love the discipline that coach and he are instilling in his game
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#243 » by personanongrata » Sun Dec 30, 2018 3:59 am

I like the smarter more efficient Trae. You have to learn the rules before you know when you can break them.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#244 » by Jamaaliver » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:42 am

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#245 » by King Ken » Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:44 am

His two passes to Kevin which Kevin missed from three were beautiful.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#246 » by Hazer » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:32 am

King Ken wrote:His two passes to Kevin which Kevin missed from three were beautiful.

Had The Huert hit just one of those Trae would’ve had yet another double double. Currently 4th among all NBA PGs in that category.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#247 » by Hazer » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:00 am

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King Ken wrote:His two passes to Kevin which Kevin missed from three were beautiful.

Had The Huert hit just one of those Trae would’ve had yet another double double. Currently 4th among all NBA PGs in that category.

Pulling that off, as a rookie not even halfway into his first season, tells me this kid is going to be a top 5 PG in the league by age 25.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#248 » by jayu70 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:15 pm

Trae shot 19.8 % from 3 (86 attempts) in November. (16 games).

He shot 30.2% in December (43 attempts) -  (12 games, there is one game left in Dec.)

Progress. 
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#249 » by Hazer » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:39 pm

jayu70 wrote:Trae shot 19.8 % from 3 (86 attempts) in November. (16 games).

He shot 30.2% in December (43 attempts) -  (12 games, there is one game left in Dec.)

Progress. 

If he can get that close to 40% he becomes unstoppable.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#250 » by Bob8 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:52 pm

Hazer wrote:
jayu70 wrote:Trae shot 19.8 % from 3 (86 attempts) in November. (16 games).

He shot 30.2% in December (43 attempts) -  (12 games, there is one game left in Dec.)

Progress. 

If he can get that close to 40% he becomes unstoppable.


Not if he halfs his attempts again.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#251 » by jayu70 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:12 pm

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jayu70 wrote:Trae shot 19.8 % from 3 (86 attempts) in November. (16 games).

He shot 30.2% in December (43 attempts) -  (12 games, there is one game left in Dec.)

Progress. 

If he can get that close to 40% he becomes unstoppable.


Not if he halfs his attempts again.

Why would that be the case?
Trae was leading the team in overall shot attempts to start the season. Since John Collins has been back, Huerter inserted in starting line up, there is less of a need for him to take over the scoring load and that's why his shot attempts has decreased. He's facilitating as he should be doing and picking his spots on 3 pt shooting, additionally he's had more freethrow attempts (10) in December in 12 games that he did in November in 16 games, which means he's not settling for 3s but driving more.
He's settled into a grove running the team.vs his scoring
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#252 » by Spud2nique » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:17 pm

jayu70 wrote:
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Hazer wrote:If he can get that close to 40% he becomes unstoppable.


Not if he halfs his attempts again.

Why would that be the case?
Trae was leading the team in overall shot attempts to start the season. Since John Collins has been back, Huerter inserted in starting line up, there is less of a need for him to take over the scoring load and that's why his shot attempts has decreased. He's facilitating as he should be doing and picking his spots on 3 pt shooting, additionally he's had more freethrow attempts (10) in December in 12 games that he did in November in 16 games, which means he's not settling for 3s but driving more.
He's settled into a grove running the team.vs his scoring



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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#253 » by King Ken » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:05 pm

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#254 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:20 pm

I gotta be honest, I'm very pleased with the progress made by Trae the last few weeks. But I'm suddenly concerned about him hitting that rookie wall any time now.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#255 » by hawkmanreturns » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:26 pm

How quickly we forget how De'aaron Fox looked last season. He was also pretty frail in his first season and took some lumps due to the physicality of the NBA. Trae looks worlds better than he did in his rookie season. Imagine if/when Trae makes the same quantum leap in his development that Fox did after a full season of NBA experience and getting stronger over the Summer. +20ppg and 10apg is not totally out of the realm of possibility. 8-)
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#256 » by jayu70 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:51 am

jayu70 wrote:Trae shot 19.8 % from 3 (86 attempts) in November. (16 games).

He shot 30.2% in December (43 attempts) -  (12 games, there is one game left in Dec.)

Progress. 

Updated:
Trae ended the month of December shooting 34.6% from 3 (17/49). Great way to end 2018.

Stuff like this is also why Hawks fans should be excited.

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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#257 » by King Ken » Tue Jan 1, 2019 2:05 am

I made this post in The General Board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=71460770#p71460770

Trae has been playing extremely well on both ends in the last 8 games. I am perfectly fine with him. Since Huerter been inserted into the starting lineup, Trae has been much much better. Especially on defense.

16/3.5/8.3/1.3 on a 47/50/77.8 split

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8

per36 his numbers are 19.7/4.3/10.1/1.5 with a 5.3 TOV rate in the last 8 games.

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36&LastNGames=8

Compare this to other ATG PG's their rookie year:

per36 is elite for a rookie true PG at 19.2/9.1/3.5/1 on a 39.6/27.5/78.2 split

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

Trae is right on track.

Trae is having a TREMENDOUS rookie season for a true PG and one of his prototype. Is it perfect? No but it is much better than people are making it seem. Being a prized rookie PG is extremely hard. Ask DeAaron Fox. He has tremendously improved of late, especially on defense.

Trae's most amazing skill is his passing but his most underrated outside of his really good lateral quickness that no one talks about is his quickness and acceleration that is making him one of the most dangerous slashers in the NBA which is really how his playmaking is elite even if his passing still needs some work accuracy wise.

In the last 8 games, Trae is 3rd in the NBA with drives 19.3 with a higher FG% than James Harden at 43.6%. 20% of his drives lead to an assist and his assist rate is 3.9 which tops all players and his turnover rate is a lowly .9. which is pretty good. Trae is a monster. People love comparing him to Nash. He really is the next Isiah "Zeke" Thomas with insane court vision and range like Steph Curry. He is his own man.

His defense has been improving like cats and dogs. I think changing the personnel and him really focusing on assignments has turned him from a defensive superscrub into someone with potential. This was a man who literally didn't want to get in defensive stance at times and would just like players score so he can go back on offense. The biggest change I've seen from Trae is a mental one. He adjusted mentally. I really think this Doncic thing is getting to Ayton and Trae. I have never seen two players improve so much in a short span. Think about this, this is something John Wall still hasn't done yet. I can't recall the last time I've seen this. This quickly I mean. Maybe rookie Wade in the 2nd half?

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#258 » by jayu70 » Tue Jan 1, 2019 2:31 am

King Ken wrote:I made this post in The General Board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=71460770#p71460770

Trae has been playing extremely well on both ends in the last 8 games. I am perfectly fine with him. Since Huerter been inserted into the starting lineup, Trae has been much much better. Especially on defense.

16/3.5/8.3/1.3 on a 47/50/77.8 split

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8

per36 his numbers are 19.7/4.3/10.1/1.5 with a 5.3 TOV rate in the last 8 games.

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36&LastNGames=8

Compare this to other ATG PG's their rookie year:

per36 is elite for a rookie true PG at 19.2/9.1/3.5/1 on a 39.6/27.5/78.2 split

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

Trae is right on track.

Trae is having a TREMENDOUS rookie season for a true PG and one of his prototype. Is it perfect? No but it is much better than people are making it seem. Being a prized rookie PG is extremely hard. Ask DeAaron Fox. He has tremendously improved of late, especially on defense.

Trae's most amazing skill is his passing but his most underrated outside of his really good lateral quickness that no one talks about is his quickness and acceleration that is making him one of the most dangerous slashers in the NBA which is really how his playmaking is elite even if his passing still needs some work accuracy wise.

In the last 8 games, Trae is 3rd in the NBA with drives 19.3 with a higher FG% than James Harden at 43.6%. 20% of his drives lead to an assist and his assist rate is 3.9 which tops all players and his turnover rate is a lowly .9. which is pretty good. Trae is a monster. People love comparing him to Nash. He really is the next Isiah "Zeke" Thomas with insane court vision and range like Steph Curry. He is his own man.

His defense has been improving like cats and dogs. I think changing the personnel and him really focusing on assignments has turned him from a defensive superscrub into someone with potential. This was a man who literally didn't want to get in defensive stance at times and would just like players score so he can go back on offense. The biggest change I've seen from Trae is a mental one. He adjusted mentally. I really think this Doncic thing is getting to Ayton and Trae. I have never seen two players improve so much in a short span. Think about this, this is something John Wall still hasn't done yet. I can't recall the last time I've seen this. This quickly I mean. Maybe rookie Wade in the 2nd half?

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8

Travis agrees with you regarding Trae's EFFORT on defense. He's actually playing defense for 24 seconds, instead of 7 seconds.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#259 » by Hazer » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:08 am

King Ken wrote:I made this post in The General Board: https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?p=71460770#p71460770

Trae has been playing extremely well on both ends in the last 8 games. I am perfectly fine with him. Since Huerter been inserted into the starting lineup, Trae has been much much better. Especially on defense.

16/3.5/8.3/1.3 on a 47/50/77.8 split

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8

per36 his numbers are 19.7/4.3/10.1/1.5 with a 5.3 TOV rate in the last 8 games.

https://stats.nba.com/player/1629027/traditional/?Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36&LastNGames=8

Compare this to other ATG PG's their rookie year:

per36 is elite for a rookie true PG at 19.2/9.1/3.5/1 on a 39.6/27.5/78.2 split

CP3 - 16/8/5
Stockton - 11/10/2.5
Kidd - 12.5/8.4/5.8
Payton - 9.4/8.5/4
Curry- 17.4/6/4.4
Nash- 11.2/7.3/3
Zeke- 18.1/8.4/3.1

Trae is right on track.

Trae is having a TREMENDOUS rookie season for a true PG and one of his prototype. Is it perfect? No but it is much better than people are making it seem. Being a prized rookie PG is extremely hard. Ask DeAaron Fox. He has tremendously improved of late, especially on defense.

Trae's most amazing skill is his passing but his most underrated outside of his really good lateral quickness that no one talks about is his quickness and acceleration that is making him one of the most dangerous slashers in the NBA which is really how his playmaking is elite even if his passing still needs some work accuracy wise.

In the last 8 games, Trae is 3rd in the NBA with drives 19.3 with a higher FG% than James Harden at 43.6%. 20% of his drives lead to an assist and his assist rate is 3.9 which tops all players and his turnover rate is a lowly .9. which is pretty good. Trae is a monster. People love comparing him to Nash. He really is the next Isiah "Zeke" Thomas with insane court vision and range like Steph Curry. He is his own man.

His defense has been improving like cats and dogs. I think changing the personnel and him really focusing on assignments has turned him from a defensive superscrub into someone with potential. This was a man who literally didn't want to get in defensive stance at times and would just like players score so he can go back on offense. The biggest change I've seen from Trae is a mental one. He adjusted mentally. I really think this Doncic thing is getting to Ayton and Trae. I have never seen two players improve so much in a short span. Think about this, this is something John Wall still hasn't done yet. I can't recall the last time I've seen this. This quickly I mean. Maybe rookie Wade in the 2nd half?

https://stats.nba.com/players/drives/?sort=DRIVES&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LastNGames=8

The most interesting (and important) part of that drives stat is the minutes. Ice Très is right up there with the GOATS on fewer minutes.
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Re: The Case for being extremely patient with Trae Young's development 

Post#260 » by graymule » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:13 pm

8-)

Lots of things go into the education of Trae. One great thing not mentioned is the example of Jeremy Lin. He, along with
Vince Carter proudly share their knowledge and Trae is eager and willing to learn.

Another note: Having three starters out gave some of our "new" players an opportunity to strut their stuff - - and they did!

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