John Wall OUT for 12 months; Ruptured Achilles

Post #61 » by **Jamaaliver** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:12 pm

I assume you guys have already seen this -- would this be the worst case scenario for you guys?

pcbothwel · Post #62 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:21 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I assume you guys have already seen this -- would this be the worst case scenario for you guys?

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Its not Wall... its Porter. Having Porter will make us better

The Wall thing is overblown. It took 3 OT's to beat the worst team in basketball(Suns) by 3 points, and then a couple days later lost to the 2nd worst team in basketball (Bulls) by 10....
Wall didnt play in either game

Post #63 » by **nate33** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:22 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I assume you guys have already seen this -- would this be the worst case scenario for you guys?

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That would be the #soWizards outcome. Looks like it's up to Beal to save the franchise by taking a dive.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #64 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:27 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:I assume you guys have already seen this -- would this be the worst case scenario for you guys?

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I feel these kinds of statistical prognosticators will tend to overinflate value of players in smaller roles producing incredible results as though they will somehow be able to maintain those levels of production in a larger role and the team will happen to be better for it, when in reality someone is going to have to pick up more of the volume slack, even if it isn't the role player taking on the bigger role. In this case, the guy I feel skews the data is Sato. Don't get me wrong, he's a good player. He isn't a guy who's going to step in and take over Wall's role and keep the team winning, though. The only way that works is if Wall's value is taken over by someone else and the only player on the roster really poised to do that is Beal. Beal might be able to handle enough as a solo hinge player to make it work - he's done it before - but it's still far from ideal.

verbal8 · Post #65 » by **verbal8** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:05 pm

The worst case is desperation to reach the playoffs leading to a short-sighted move and ending up 9th or 10th.

The best case is realizing a lost season and at least revamping the team if not flat out tanking.

What I think is most likely is that getting below the tax ends up being the main factor and the Wizards end up about the 9th or 10th seed. Ariza for a dead-weight expiring seems to be the most likely deal - I figure they should be able to save between $3 and $5 million in luxury tax space.

There could be some justification for dealing Satorsky for a TPE, I would hope they could also get a 2nd in that deal.

pcbothwel · Post #66 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:37 pm

verbal8 wrote:The worst case is desperation to reach the playoffs leading to a short-sighted move and ending up 9th or 10th.

The best case is realizing a lost season and at least revamping the team if not flat out tanking.

What I think is most likely is that getting below the tax ends up being the main factor and the Wizards end up about the 9th or 10th seed. Ariza for a dead-weight expiring seems to be the most likely deal - I figure they should be able to save between $3 and $5 million in luxury tax space.

There could be some justification for dealing Satorsky for a TPE, I would hope they could also get a 2nd in that deal.

No, there is zero justification for trading Sato for salary and a 2nd.
You want to rebuild this team, you need talent and hard workers.
Sato, Brown, Bryant Jr, Dekker... these are players that see the floor, are unselfish, go after loose balls, play defense... these are players that keep Beal from jumping in front of a metro bus. Your star players need an energetic supporting cast to keep them engaged.
At worst, it gives your coach a "Jolt" lineup if your stars are playing like garbage.

- Trade Ariza/Morris for relief
- Fire Eg/Brooks
- Draft Barrett, Bol, Zion, Ja, Rui, Reddish or Little with our pick
- Bring back Bryant, Sato, Robinson, and Dekker

Run it back next year and see if we have a Grizzlies type resurgence. At worst, it gives our new staff time to evaluate the team for rebuilding trade(s)

verbal8 · Post #67 » by **verbal8** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:50 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
verbal8 wrote:The worst case is desperation to reach the playoffs leading to a short-sighted move and ending up 9th or 10th.

The best case is realizing a lost season and at least revamping the team if not flat out tanking.

What I think is most likely is that getting below the tax ends up being the main factor and the Wizards end up about the 9th or 10th seed. Ariza for a dead-weight expiring seems to be the most likely deal - I figure they should be able to save between $3 and $5 million in luxury tax space.

There could be some justification for dealing Satorsky for a TPE, I would hope they could also get a 2nd in that deal.

No, there is zero justification for trading Sato for salary and a 2nd.
You want to rebuild this team, you need talent and hard workers.
Sato, Brown, Bryant Jr, Dekker... these are players that see the floor, are unselfish, go after loose balls, play defense... these are players that keep Beal from jumping in front of a metro bus. Your star players need an energetic supporting cast to keep them engaged.
At worst, it gives your coach a "Jolt" lineup if your stars are playing like garbage.

- Trade Ariza/Morris for relief
- Fire Eg/Brooks
- Draft Barrett, Bol, Zion, Ja, Rui, Reddish or Little with our pick
- Bring back Bryant, Sato, Robinson, and Dekker

Run it back next year and see if we have a Grizzlies type resurgence. At worst, it gives our new staff time to evaluate the team for rebuilding trade(s)

I should have been clearer - justification is from the Front Office mindset. I want to keep Sato assuming the price is reasonable.

If dealing Ariza/Morris gets the Wizards out of the tax, then those moves should be pursued.

FAH1223 · Post #68 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 7:47 pm

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FAH1223 · Post #69 » by **FAH1223** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:47 pm

Lmao

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Eli Babak · Post #70 » by **Eli Babak** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 10:57 pm

SAS is such a attention w**** but no more about that...

I just watched some John Wall highlights from 2014-15 and damn, he was fit and played well. Pierce was such a great player and person to have around. It really sucks that he's been coached by morons (I'm not even gonna mention Ernie and his masterful mind) and Brooks has to be gone ASAP. I want to believe this injury affected Wall's game a lot because he's a tough cookie and tried to play through it. Medical team should've done better job with him and of course Brooks should've sat him more because he didn't play well. But no, Brooks is just so scared to hurt vets' feelings and focuses on bullying Brown. :banghead:

Happy New Year everyone!

trast66 · Post #71 » by **trast66** » Mon Dec 31, 2018 11:05 pm

Why is SAS taking it out on Chase? Other than he is a clown.

FAH1223 · Post #72 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 12:23 am

trast66 wrote:Why is SAS taking it out on Chase? Other than he is a clown.

I think he's just mentioning Chase to tell John Wall this :lol:

But he tagged John on the tweets too :lol:

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #73 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:28 am

Induveca wrote:A well-played move in an attempt to outlast the Grunfeld administration.

THEY ARE FINALLY beginning to see the light.

I'm pleased with the last few transactions, additions, and this latest stroke of SMARTNESS in resting Wall.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #74 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:29 am

FAH1223 wrote:Lmao

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Eventually, a player is going to dap S.A.S. I don't mean give him dap, either.

Chocolate City Jordanaire · Post #75 » by **Chocolate City Jordanaire** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:34 am

OH... AS MUCH AS I DO NOT LIKE STEVEN A ...

He's old school. I'm the same way. Not running from anyone. Going to say what's on my mind. I do NOT LIKE THE DRAMA that pays Steven A. He creates stories with speculation that HAS TO AT TIMES BE ALMOST BASELESS. But, if he came to a locker room and I was a player who had a bit of a problem with him; I would at least speak (with a barrier of people to protect us both from any shenanigans or temper outburst that could lead to suspension/arrest). Steven A WANTS TO MAKE HIMSELF newsworthy and HE LOVES calling out folks' jobs.

Marvin Lewis' firing had to overjoy Smith.

I'll be happy WHEN Steven A. Smith gets run off the air.

FAH1223 · Post #76 » by **FAH1223** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:43 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:OH... AS MUCH AS I DO NOT LIKE STEVEN A ...

He's old school. I'm the same way. Not running from anyone. Going to say what's on my mind. I do NOT LIKE THE DRAMA that pays Steven A. He creates stories with speculation that HAS TO AT TIMES BE ALMOST BASELESS. But, if he came to a locker room and I was a player who had a bit of a problem with him; I would at least speak (with a barrier of people to protect us both from any shenanigans or temper outburst that could lead to suspension/arrest). Steven A WANTS TO MAKE HIMSELF newsworthy and HE LOVES calling out folks' jobs.

Marvin Lewis' firing had to overjoy Smith.

I'll be happy WHEN Steven A. Smith gets run off the air.

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youngWizzy · Post #77 » by **youngWizzy** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 1:47 am

FAH1223 wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:OH... AS MUCH AS I DO NOT LIKE STEVEN A ...

He's old school. I'm the same way. Not running from anyone. Going to say what's on my mind. I do NOT LIKE THE DRAMA that pays Steven A. He creates stories with speculation that HAS TO AT TIMES BE ALMOST BASELESS. But, if he came to a locker room and I was a player who had a bit of a problem with him; I would at least speak (with a barrier of people to protect us both from any shenanigans or temper outburst that could lead to suspension/arrest). Steven A WANTS TO MAKE HIMSELF newsworthy and HE LOVES calling out folks' jobs.

Marvin Lewis' firing had to overjoy Smith.

I'll be happy WHEN Steven A. Smith gets run off the air.

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Just a side note. Leonsis should make enough money to give Wall a free premium grammarly.com account. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the way Wall talks in real life haha

ozthegap · Post #78 » by **ozthegap** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 7:41 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
FAH1223 wrote:Lmao

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Eventually, a player is going to dap S.A.S. I don't mean give him dap, either.

pretty sure he talks all that **** because he knows that players know if they respond the way they should they'll **** up their career. Easy to be a tough guy when the other dudes hands are tied behind his back

Post #79 » by **nate33** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 4:12 pm

Uh oh

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ozthegap · Post #80 » by **ozthegap** » Tue Jan 1, 2019 5:08 pm

nate33 wrote:Uh oh

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yeah... no. the upcoming schedule is going to slap the taste out of their mouth.