Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

There is no team that is going to trade for Wall when he's out with a 6-8 month injury. A HEALTHY Wall is considered overpaid. Nobody is trading for a 29 year old Wall coming off two seasons in a row where he missed significant time.

We have to move forward with the idea that Wall is here to stay. Its an absolute pipedream to think otherwise.

I know its a lot to handle for Beal/Otto lovers, but trading one of them is likely the only way out of cap hell if that is the aim.

1) Wall will be fully healthy by July. I fully expect him to be in Miami working his butt off. He did last year, and I expect even more this year as he'll be antsy to get working and have no other lingering injuries

2) I think you'll get plenty of video and reports of healthy and slimmed down Wall in July/August. Combined with the high success rate of recovery for his injury, and plenty of teams will be keeping an eye on him... especially after, what I believe will be, a terrible FA period with a bunch of overpaid fringe starters.

3) We can get out from the tax by the deadline using Ariza, Green, and Morris. I have zero doubt about that. Doing so would allow us to keep all our RFA's and sign draft pick. While this might put us over the tax next year, it will only be by a couple Mil and we wont be repeat offenders. The following year (20/21) the increase in the cap along with mahinmi gone would put us back under the tax.

Therefore, we can quite easily keep this team together and NEVER pay the repeater tax in the foreseeable future. Thats not to say that we should, but that we dont need to make a trade from a position of weakness.

I hope you are right.

I think fully healthy Wall will continue to produce at a diminished returns rate, because the injuries IMO will continue to pop up here and there. Somewhat similar to what happened with Arenas; the Wizards are going to be stuck with a lesser player on a long-term deal. They should have known better. Yes, I posted as much before the deals of both players.

John's weight is NOT the problem. The knees and now, his heel, are problematic. He's NOT a player who gets by on technique, skill, and leverage as one who thrives in open court and dominates with superior athleticism. The Wizards better HOPE they can trade him IMO.

[jangles86]

If we stayed at Pick 6 in the draft, and Phoenix had pick 1 or 2. Would they be interested in a pick swap and sending Otto Porter aswell. We could take back a josh Jackson possibly.

Gives us a potential new face of the franchise in Barrett or Zion.
Gives Phoenix a great piece in Otto to move straight into the starting 5 and also add a Ja Morant or Garland to fit into the PG need for them.

[Dat2U]

If we stayed at Pick 6 in the draft, and Phoenix had pick 1 or 2. Would they be interested in a pick swap and sending Otto Porter aswell. We could take back a josh Jackson possibly.

Gives us a potential new face of the franchise in Barrett or Zion.
Gives Phoenix a great piece in Otto to move straight into the starting 5 and also add a Ja Morant or Garland to fit into the PG need for them.

I'm wondering if Beal & the pick get us Zion but I'm pretty sure Otto does not.

Also it's very team dependent. Cleveland is likely taking Zion and likely not entertaining a trade. Same with Atlanta. Chicago's front office and ownership want to win now so they may be more amiable to a trade. Phoenix too as you wonder about the fit of a Zion/Ayton front court.

NY is interesting. They are probably the prohibitive favorite for Durant at the moment. If they can't clear cap for a 2nd free agent, they may be open to using the pick to get an all-star to further entice Durant to come to NY.

[FAH1223]

Shaun Powell on NBA.com says Ariza can't be traded until February 14th which is a week after the trade deadline.

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/12/31/time-now-wizards-regroup-clean-house

[nate33]

Shaun Powell on NBA.com says Ariza can't be traded until February 14th which is a week after the trade deadline.

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/12/31/time-now-wizards-regroup-clean-house

He is wrong.

Ariza cannot be packaged with another outgoing player until after the 14th, but he can be traded right now if he is the only outgoing player.

[youngWizzy]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813432-otto-porter-trade-rumors-mavericks-interested-in-trading-for-wizards-forward

The Dallas Mavericks "have expressed interest" in acquiring Washington Wizards forward Otto Porter Jr., The Athletic's Michael Scotto reported Tuesday.

According to Scotto, the Wizards are likely to "field several calls" for not only Porter but also Bradley Beal ahead of the Feb. 7 trade deadline.

[Sactowndog]

If we stayed at Pick 6 in the draft, and Phoenix had pick 1 or 2. Would they be interested in a pick swap and sending Otto Porter aswell. We could take back a josh Jackson possibly.

Gives us a potential new face of the franchise in Barrett or Zion.
Gives Phoenix a great piece in Otto to move straight into the starting 5 and also add a Ja Morant or Garland to fit into the PG need for them.

Phoenix needs a point guard and a 4. I don’t think Otto and 6 is near close enough to move up to 1.

[FAH1223]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2813432-otto-porter-trade-rumors-mavericks-interested-in-trading-for-wizards-forward

The Dallas Mavericks "have expressed interest" in acquiring Washington Wizards forward Otto Porter Jr., The Athletic's Michael Scotto reported Tuesday.

According to Scotto, the Wizards are likely to "field several calls" for not only Porter but also Bradley Beal ahead of the Feb. 7 trade deadline.

Wes Matthews and Powell is what Wizards twitter is posting..

But like, we lost Oubre already. Dumping Otto's salary may give us room under the luxury tax room for awhile but where are we going to get a sharp shooter at SF/PF?

[80sballboy]

I call BS on this one

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[payitforward]

Whose R1 pick are we getting in that deal?

If Chicago's, then it's too much to have to give Sato along with Beal & take back trashy players we aren't going to keep, all for 1 draft pick.

If Minny's, then why aren't we just trading Sato to them for Jones & the pick? Why would Chicago be in that deal?

[dangermouse]

I call BS on this one

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Bad deal, even if it is Chicagos pick. They make out like bandits. Such a deal would signal a full and total rebuild, imo. I'd be looking to move Porter for a similar deal as well.

Anyway, in other news, Dallas is an interesting destination for Porter. Will hit the trade machine and see what I can come up with that looks good for both teams.

[Eli Babak]

That would be one of the worst trades ever. Chicago has improved after firing Hoiberg and getting guys healthy.

Dunn/Jones/Arcidiacono/Harrison
Beal/LaVine/Blakeney
Holiday/Hutchison/Valentine
Markkanen/Portis
Carter/Lopez/Felicio

After the trade Bulls would improve a lot so the pick could end up somewhere in 7-11 range. And those players, lol. Chicago fans hate both of them and they simply suck.

Minnesota should be very happy to get Satoransky and a pick for Jones. Yes, Jones is younger, cheaper to retain and useful but I guess Twolves want to win and Sato would be a great fit anywhere anyway.

Edit: Though nailing both lottery picks + cap relief would be pretty neat. Too many question marks.

Edit 2: That other trade: "Matthews and Powell for Porter". Jesus Christ. Ernie is a moron but he can't be that stupid.

Just follow my plan, Ted!

Edit 3: These trade "rumors" are very likely total BS but you never know!

[TGW]

If the Wizards did something like that, and took on Parker's sorry ass instead of Lavine, I would blow up the MCI Center.

[Ruzious]

If the Wizards did something like that, and took on Parker's sorry ass instead of Lavine, I would blow up the MCI Center.

It would make a lot more sense if Lavine was included in that trade - especially since he plays the same position as Beal.

[nate33]

That Chicago trade has a zero percent chance of happening.

[payitforward]

Beal is a known good player. When you give a known good player, you have to get more than one pick -- i.e. one shot at a player who might possibly turn out to be good.

Maybe you do it if the pick is 1-3. & of course the max salary Beal has enters into the decision as well. But, this deal? With Sato? No.

[payitforward]

You would like your GM & staff to have the ability to identify under-valued players & make moves to acquire them. To their credit, Ernie & his staff picked up Thomas Bryant -- a great example.

Unfortunately, there's a much longer list of moves in the opposite direction.

For that reason, the only sensible move the Wizards can make now is to fire Ernie Grunfeld. Nothing else matters until that happens.

[pcbothwel]

You would like your GM & staff to have the ability to identify under-valued players & make moves to acquire them. To their credit, Ernie & his staff picked up Thomas Bryant -- a great example.

Unfortunately, there's a much longer list of moves in the opposite direction.

For that reason, the only sensible move the Wizards can make now is to fire Ernie Grunfeld. Nothing else matters until that happens.

Ehhh. Yes and No.
I agree that no major move should happen until a new GM/direction is established. But I dont really care if EG is allowed to dump Ariza/Morris to get under the tax... then he we hire someone new this summer.

[panthermark]

Bulls fan here...
Quinton needs to put down the X-Box controller.

That trade has zero chance of happening....and even if Chicago makes out like a bandit, it does make sense for Chicago. We need a SF, not a SG. While I would love Beal, it is safe to say that Zach is NOT a PG. Bulls got a lot better when Chris Duhon...errr Kris Dunn came back and Zach was moved off ball. ..

[payitforward]

You would like your GM & staff to have the ability to identify under-valued players & make moves to acquire them. To their credit, Ernie & his staff picked up Thomas Bryant -- a great example.

Unfortunately, there's a much longer list of moves in the opposite direction.

For that reason, the only sensible move the Wizards can make now is to fire Ernie Grunfeld. Nothing else matters until that happens.

Ehhh. Yes and No.
I agree that no major move should happen until a new GM/direction is established. But I dont really care if EG is allowed to dump Ariza/Morris to get under the tax... then he we hire someone new this summer.

Well, sure.... I was just expressing the usual Wiz fan frustration!