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2019 NBA Draft Prep

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What direction should Hawks go with their lottery picks?

Sekou Doumbouya
19
18%
Coby White
4
4%
Jaxson Hayes
9
9%
Nassir Little
5
5%
Cam Reddish
35
34%
Bol Bol
14
14%
Brandon Clarke
10
10%
Trade the picks
7
7%
 
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#501 » by atlantabbq99 » Sun Dec 30, 2018 8:56 am

King Ken wrote:I know I keep saying this, but I really really want Cam Reddish. His potential fit at SF and can switch on either wing spots and his shooting ability is so damn appealing to me considering Trae is an elite playmaker.

Trae
Kevin
Reddish
Collins
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That's a damn good future! I would really like to add a center who can create and score back to the basket. I am considering Bassey but I want to see how he screens. Can Porter set quality screens? I really want that type of center since Collins really isn't much of a low post creator. I would like another playmaker and passer to go with Trae and Kevin. Cam is a willing passing abit not a good one. Collins tries but he's more of a poacher/finisher. We need a center who has all around skills and they can protect the paint.


I'm with you on Cam. But with all of that scoring, the Hawks should look for a defensive center that is not a liability at the free throw line.
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Post#502 » by King Ken » Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:35 pm

I have two new list. Early season and I'll break it down later:

My top players and then my top list for the Hawks

My top players:
Tier 1:
Zion

Tier 2:
R.J.
Bol
Morant

Tier 3:
Reddish
Little
Culver
Rui
Garland

Tier 4:
Sekou
Okpala
Kevin Porter Jr.
Jontay Porter
Nickeil Alexander-Walker
DeAndre Hunter


Tier 5:
Gafford
Romeo
Jason Hayes
Naz Reid
Bassey
Bruno
Simi
Brandon Clarke
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Post#503 » by King Ken » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:11 am

Here is my big board for the Hawks: This is mid-season before conference play so we have along way to go.

Tier 1:
1. Zion - The best overall player and fit for me. He can protect the rim. He covers space in lighting speed, I have issues about his post defense but he is an offensive monster and no NBA big will be able to guard him. He will protect Collins like a Ben Wallace like center while having the offensive talent of a Russell Westbrook for 6'7 282. INSANE! #1 player by a mile.

2. Reddish - Raw, still has a lot to work on in terms of coverages and not overly fouling and he still working on learning the off ball game but shows a lot of promise at this stage. I posted articles on him but I like him for us simply because he is a perfect fit with what we have with Trae, Kevin, and John. I don't think he is the best prospect and needs work but his ceiling could be the highest of his class outside of Zion of course.

3. Bol - Do I think he is a perfect fit. No but I do like his fit in our trap heavy defense, I do like that he can protect the paint and I do like his length on D and I love his defensive instincts to block shots which is extremely good but hate his awareness which can be well bad. I understand our defensive communication will take time with him. I understand he doesn't have the bulk to deal with the bigs at this stage in the paint and that he doesn't move laterally well. His offensive value is top notch. Can shoot the three at a high clip with great accuracy.

Can move extremely well without the ball. Gets good positioning in the paint. Extremely skilled. Quick for his size. Excellent ball handler for his size and position. He has as much talent as anyone in this class.

He's my boom or bust for this class. He is a lot like Trae Young to me from that stance. That said, the talent is tremendous. He covers everything we need from a 5 where we have a 4 like Collins who defensively is a liability since Collins isn't laterally quick, doesn't cover a lot of ground, is not an instinctive defender, and simply doesn't have the bulk either. Sometimes I feel like Collins is the Jamal Crawford of NBA defenders. Of course Collins can get blocks based on athleticism and of course, he is a tremendous rebounder who does boxout with good fundamentals. Collins lacks the defensive potential to be any better than below average. We would need a 5 who can cover for Collins weaknesses defensively while still adding value on offense which is most critical for us. Bol Bol can do that. But can we cover Bol for his weaknesses, that's the question with this one. Right now, we got 4 skinny guys starting (Bol, Kevin, Trae and John) Can that work in the NBA?

Tier 2:
4. R.J. - I love love love R.J. My #2 overall prospect. The only prospect outside of Zion I think has multiple time All Star potential with the ability to still be impactful year 1. He would be in the mix with last year's guys as well like Bamba, Bagley, Ayton, Doncic, Trae, WCJ, and JJJ. My issue with him is even though he is Bazemore replacement and he can be that. He isn't a SF. His best position is SG. But so is Kevin's. At this point, we would be drafting R.J. to start over Kevin and still playing Prince at the 3. I am not sure that's as helpful. Kevin does a lot of things that help Trae. Kevin communicates on defense and protects Trae. He just fits with Trae extremely well.

R.J. fits well and he solves a critical issue of a #1 option which we lack but I personally think Trae could be a #1 option. Do we need someone who can just take the ball out of his hands and doesn't really move the ball without dominating it. I think he would be an amazing fit with the Knicks or the Cavs but with us. It's tough. I do think he can be really good with us but if winning a title is our goal, fit really really matters. Especially with our ace being Trae. I'll draft him #4. After 1-3, the others just don't have the potential to justify getting drafted over R.J.


Tier 3:
5. Little - I have my issues with Little. I think he is more Justise Winslow than Leonard.

I see high end role player but I don't see any star potential. I think he is a good fit but he's not a legit top 5 pick in a good draft. I don't even see him as well as I saw Buddy Hield. I personally think he is like Prince, just younger and a better fit and not as skilled or the same quality of shooter. I would look to moving back at this point but this draft becomes pretty even on my board so in the 8-20 range is where I would look to draft Little.

Like how Prince fit Bud's system, Little fits our current one but I don't see the potential to be a star but I like him.

6. Culver - I posted a lot on him already so I will focus on what I like. He is a great system fit in what we do especially at the SG. He gives a depth and a legit baller to mix and match with Kevin. Not really a top 5 guy in my book in any draft but like Little, the 8-20 range is good.

Tier 4:

I actually like my 4th tier guys a lot. Usually super raw and just average role player potential, these guys can be much better than projected.

7. Okpala - I love Okpala. I call him Giannis before the growth spurt lite. Does not have as wide of shoulders as Giannis, as big as hands, nor as coordinated as the Greek Freak but they have a similar skill-set and baseline as prospects. Okpala maybe more advanced as a prospect than what Giannis was but Giannis at this point grew two inches to 6'11 and Giannis just has better tools but both are similar. I think K.Z. is a better shooter at this stage. I know K.Z. has more experience and K.Z. is a smart player. Doesn't have any of Giannis playmaking ability either.

I see a lot of potential. I think he could be special. I don't think he would be Giannis thought, I think he could be a steal even in the top 10. But he's not going to be a top 10 player in the NBA but he might develop into a multiple time All Star.




8. DeAndre Hunter - I like this kid. He has a mix of Marvin Williams and JJJ in terms of how he moves and how he looks gangly on the court. He marks out high on my of my adv. marks but his tape tells me he could be capable of a lot more in the future. Doesn't move off the ball all that well but he moves very smart.

His defensive fundamentals are elite. He is a 3/D prospect with good playmaking skills. Doesn't sellout to rebound, he actually boxing out and getting clean boards. He doesn't look to blocks shots or get steals outside of help side or weak side assignments. He adjust on the fly, his instincts and BBIQ is 100% there. His focus is consistently playing fundamentally sound defense, defending in space and on the ball and communication on defense with his teammates. I actually think he could be coached to be more aggressive in getting steals and blocks. He has elite defensive instincts. He just so fundamentally sound. Look, I think he is a MUCH better player than most everyone on this list. But his ceiling will never be that high because he is just willing to play within the team concept. I think he is an elite fit. I am probably doing him a disservice at this spot. I would take him before Culver and Little.

He is not Mikal Bridges, he is not an elite role player type who makes All Stars. He is more like Tony Allen or Pascal Siakam who does a lot of winning plays and impacts that show up in the W/L column. His lack of stats will likely see him never be an All Star but his impact will feel like a star. I would not pass on him. I am taking him with a top 10 pick. Not top 5 but I will take him in the top ten. He fits perfectly for us. I will move him up on the next list.



His tape is just as impressive has his advanced stats. He has ZERO star potential but he has superstar team player written all over him.

9. Sekou - Potential, Potential, potential. I have my doubts, but his potential can be good. I don't see the fit. He shouldn't be the on list.

10t. Kevin Porter Jr. - TBA, like his highlights but I haven't evaluated him yet.
10t. Nickeil Alexander-Walker - TBA, like his highlights but I haven't evaluated him yet.
12. Jontay Porter - I like him and I clearly felt he was a fit last year. Nothing has changed. Still feel the same. I wanted him then at 18. I am just not as high on taking a center so high knowing John is who his partner will be and paint protection isn't his calling card.

13. Simi - I need to see more but I like what experts are projecting which fits what we need from the 5.


Tier 5:
14t. Gafford - I like his profile for us, need to see more. I like his game tape as well.

14t. Jason Hayes - I like his profile for us, need to see more. I like his game tape as well.

16. Naz Reid - Not as big on him but I liken him to Brian Grant and that would be a great backup for us right now.

17. Bassey - I like his profile for us, need to see more. I like his game tape as well.

18t. Bruno - I like his profile for us, need to see more. I like his game tape as well.

18t. Brandon Clarke - I love Brandon Clarke and I see him as a perfect fit as a backup 4. That's why he is on this list. I have backup 4 as a need position and around the mid to late 1st in this draft. I like him as a possibility.

20. Romeo- He needs to stay another year. The talent is there but he isn't where he needs to be BBIQ wise to take that leap to the NBA. Development is going to be good for him. The NBA isn't good to raw skinny SG's without great athletic ability. He needs to bulk up, improve that jumper, and get smarter so he can dominate his level.
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Post#504 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 1:57 pm

If Little Nas comes out this summer and we manage to snag him with the Mavs pick, that will be a worthy gamble on a kid with great tools who is simply extremely raw:

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Post#505 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:05 pm

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Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Virginia Tech

Alexander-Walker is something of a post-hype sophomore settling in and reaching college stardom. NBA evaluators went into last season believing he had a real chance to be a one-and-done due to his combination of ball-handling and shooting, but ultimately it wasn’t meant to be.

His handle was a little loose, and he didn’t seem to quite have the physical strength yet to play through contact on either end.

He’s gained about 25 pounds in the last two years and now tips the scales at about 205 pounds. With that added weight and the natural slowing of the game that comes with a player moving from his freshman to his sophomore season, Alexander-Walker looks much more comfortable with ball in hand.

He’s the team’s secondary initiator, but he’s been markedly successful in ball-screen situations, showcasing three-level scoring ability and the talent for passing on the move. More than that, though, he’s playing a smart pace and changing speeds expertly. Throw in that he continues to be an elite shooter that has posted a remarkably 56.1/46.8/80.5 shooting line this year, and there is plenty to like about Alexander-Walker as a spot-shooter who can attack close-outs and initiate secondary actions with ball-screens.

He now looks like the potential combo guard that many expected. To me, he’s a clear first-rounder if only due to the shooting and playmaking. He particularly fits rosters well that have established playmakers at the forward spots.
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Post#506 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:11 pm

This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

Reigning SEC player of the year Grant Williams has long been a remarkably skilled player with massive, glaring weaknesses that didn’t translate well to the next level. He averaged more than 15 points and six rebounds last season but shot just 12 percent from 3. He wasn’t a high-level passer, either.

But his junior year has led to a surge in terms of skill. He’s averaging 19.6 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.2 assists while shooting 56.2 percent from the field. His 3-point numbers (7 of 17) are still way too much of a small sample to even break down, but his shooting mechanics look more compact and anecdotally he’s made more midrange jumpers than we’ve seen in the past. As a ball-handler and passer, Williams is doing a much better job of picking out teammates when defenders pay attention to him. Basically, he’s become the kind of star that might be on his way to back-to-back SEC POY awards, which isn’t bad for a guy ranked outside of the top-190 of his recruiting class.

Williams’ basketball IQ is off the charts, and his progression has been a positive curve for each of the last three years. He’s moved into the mix for the late first round for me, with some real potential to rise as long as the shooting continues to not show to be fool’s gold...anyone in the last 25 years who has produced like Williams has at the high-major level went on to be selected in the first round of the draft.
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Post#507 » by Spud2nique » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:10 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

Reigning SEC player of the year Grant Williams has long been a remarkably skilled player with massive, glaring weaknesses that didn’t translate well to the next level. He averaged more than 15 points and six rebounds last season but shot just 12 percent from 3. He wasn’t a high-level passer, either.

But his junior year has led to a surge in terms of skill. He’s averaging 19.6 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.2 assists while shooting 56.2 percent from the field. His 3-point numbers (7 of 17) are still way too much of a small sample to even break down, but his shooting mechanics look more compact and anecdotally he’s made more midrange jumpers than we’ve seen in the past. As a ball-handler and passer, Williams is doing a much better job of picking out teammates when defenders pay attention to him. Basically, he’s become the kind of star that might be on his way to back-to-back SEC POY awards, which isn’t bad for a guy ranked outside of the top-190 of his recruiting class.

Williams’ basketball IQ is off the charts, and his progression has been a positive curve for each of the last three years. He’s moved into the mix for the late first round for me, with some real potential to rise as long as the shooting continues to not show to be fool’s gold...anyone in the last 25 years who has produced like Williams has at the high-major level went on to be selected in the first round of the draft.
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I love OG players. He’s a throwback. Plays well in the block with numerous crafty shots available in his tool box and he has below waist strength that’s above average. I like this prospect. He plays well within his limited space, allowing for others to have their roles. YES!
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Post#508 » by Ball4life32 » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:20 pm

I have Culver way ahead of Little.

Little scares me way too much...Below average ball handler for a SF, shoots 22% from 3, isn’t much of a playmaker/passer..imo he is a PF at the next level but only 6’6/6’7. His defense hasn’t been as good as advertised either.
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Post#509 » by King Ken » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:24 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

Reigning SEC player of the year Grant Williams has long been a remarkably skilled player with massive, glaring weaknesses that didn’t translate well to the next level. He averaged more than 15 points and six rebounds last season but shot just 12 percent from 3. He wasn’t a high-level passer, either.

But his junior year has led to a surge in terms of skill. He’s averaging 19.6 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.2 assists while shooting 56.2 percent from the field. His 3-point numbers (7 of 17) are still way too much of a small sample to even break down, but his shooting mechanics look more compact and anecdotally he’s made more midrange jumpers than we’ve seen in the past. As a ball-handler and passer, Williams is doing a much better job of picking out teammates when defenders pay attention to him. Basically, he’s become the kind of star that might be on his way to back-to-back SEC POY awards, which isn’t bad for a guy ranked outside of the top-190 of his recruiting class.

Williams’ basketball IQ is off the charts, and his progression has been a positive curve for each of the last three years. He’s moved into the mix for the late first round for me, with some real potential to rise as long as the shooting continues to not show to be fool’s gold...anyone in the last 25 years who has produced like Williams has at the high-major level went on to be selected in the first round of the draft.
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Sap was a rebounding menace and a SF in a PF body. Is that what Grant is? I still haven't seen him play
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Post#510 » by Jamaaliver » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:52 pm

Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

Reigning SEC player of the year Grant Williams has long been a remarkably skilled player.
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I love OG players....he has below waist strength that’s above average.

YES!



Ummm...what?
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Post#511 » by Spud2nique » Mon Dec 31, 2018 4:58 pm

Jamaaliver wrote:
Spud2nique wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

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I love OG players....he has below waist strength that’s above average.

YES!



Ummm...what?


:lol: you know..the necessary quad and low gravity strength to move guys..

Oh I see what u did there..the sarcasm thing again huh...

he has beef down low ala Carl Landry..and a poor man’s Paul Millsap yes....Chuck Hayes plus the ability to pass but rebound less?
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Post#512 » by King Ken » Wed Jan 2, 2019 8:45 am

I know a lot of guys may want one of the young guys but if DeAndre Hunter was drafted by us at 5-7 range. I would say we easily made the best pick. He is not a star but he is a perfect fit and we have a core 3 with Kevin, Trae and Collins.
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Post#513 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 2, 2019 12:15 pm

King Ken wrote:
Jamaaliver wrote:This guy reminds me of collegiate Paul Millsap:

Reigning SEC player of the year Grant Williams has long been a remarkably skilled player with massive, glaring weaknesses that didn’t translate well to the next level.

But his junior year has led to a surge in terms of skill. He’s averaging 19.6 points, 8.5 rebounds and 4.2 assists while shooting 56.2 percent from the field.
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Sap was a rebounding menace and a SF in a PF body. Is that what Grant is? I still haven't seen him play


Mostly that he's a solid, productive, efficient, tough, two-way player that has largely been overlooked because of mediocre athleticism and less than stellar measurables.

Grant will probably fall into the 2nd round, but he seems like a dude who will stick in the league for a while and has a chance to outplay his draft spot should that happen.

And technically, he's a PF in a SF's body...
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Post#514 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 2, 2019 3:50 pm

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The 2019 NBA Draft was billed as terrible heading into the season, and two months into the season, it’s been difficult to shake that idea from some people. The struggles of perceived top picks like Nassir Little, Romeo Langford, and Quentin Grimes paint a bad situation because that means a good number of the few recognizable names from the preseason aren’t actually as good as we thought. Meanwhile, two possible top-ten picks, Darius Garland and Jontay Porter, are out for the year with significant knee injuries, and two others, Kevin Porter Jr. and Sekou Doumbouya, are currently out with injuries too.

Throw in that the probable top pick, Zion Williamson, might have longevity issues due to his weight, and that paints a pretty bleak outlook.

While several players have disappointed relative to expectations, several more have developed in ways we didn’t expect, and that group arguably outweighs the disappointments.


2. R.J. Barrett | SF | Duke

Barrett has staked a firm claim to the number two pick on most boards, and is so here as well, but I differ in that he doesn’t get his own tier yet. While Barrett’s scoring has continued to be excellent, and he has shown the potential to be a two-way playmaking wing, there are too many long-term potential pitfalls to really feel confident about him being the number two player in the class. Given how he often looks off teammates, struggles to finish at the rim, and has frame and discipline concerns on defense, he seems like he could be the “wrong” type of star, a guy who can be a number one scorer on a good team, but has fundamental flaws that will keep him from effectiveness in playoff basketball.

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3. Jarrett Culver | SG | Texas Tech

Culver has some exciting playmaking skills and is having a breakout year. His shot diversity and defensive utility should earn him an easy rotation spot, giving him one of the highest floors in the class.

Culver has the skill set of a true two-way wing, with the upside provided by growing two inches over the summer and the progression of his shot mechanics. He is still under the radar in the mainstream, but he’s an easy bet to be at least a player who complimentary piece on a contender.


4. Cameron Reddish | SG | Duke

Reddish is the best shooting prospect in the top tiers of this year’s class, and has the tools to potentially be elite on high volume from three. His defensive progression shown at Duke is also promising. Reddish has the upside to become a Klay Thompson type volume three-point shooter, and his handle and defense do still have room to improve enough for him to become more as well.

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Post#515 » by Jamaaliver » Wed Jan 2, 2019 4:19 pm

How do we gauge Keldon Johnson’s defensive ceiling?

Keldon Johnson has had flashes on defense that make him seem worthy of a top-10 pick, but at other times looks lost. How should we project his development on that end?

Defense for one-and-done wings is probably the hardest thing to gauge in the NBA Draft process. Elite wing prospects are in a unique spot, usually having to shift from being an all-offense load-bearer at the high school level to being called upon to carry a large defensive load in college.

Keldon Johnson of Kentucky is probably the biggest stressor of this scouting predicament.

On the surface, Johnson looks the part of a high-caliber defensive wing prospect. He’s 6-foot-6 and 211 pounds with a nearly 7-foot wingspan, allowing him to potentially play up a position despite having a 2-guard’s dimensions. He has good strength as well, and has shown legitimate value as a defensive rebounder. But at the same time, he has significant flaws — headlined by a failure to produce havoc plays -- one of the few reliable indicators we have of future defensive value. He looks like P.J. Tucker when he steps on the floor, but with a steal rate of 1.0 and a block rate of 0.4, he’s playing more like Doug McDermott.

Johnson’s reputation on defense got a huge boost from Kentucky’s blowout loss to Duke to start the season. For most of the game, he looked like the only Wildcat with a pulse on defense and survived a matchup with R.J. Barrett mostly intact. He was able to stick with Barrett and wall him off from the paint, showing good footwork sliding on the perimeter.

...even though Kentucky lost, he earned some respect for continuing to fight defensively when his team was down big, and he got a bump from those few positive possessions against Barrett. The narrative was set that Johnson was in the upper tier of defensive wing prospects in the class.

With eight more games of hindsight, though, we can see that our first impression wasn’t the whole story.

For instance, there’s his transition defense, which has been all over the place this year. Off-ball, he struggles to locate shooters and falls into the common trap of standing in no man’s land as the play develops. When he does try to stop the ball in transition, he too often is out of control, reacting to ball fakes instead of forcing the ball-handler to help.

He does show some flashes of good positioning, particularly when helping off a man in the corner. With his leaping ability and strength, weakside help should be a strength for him...Johnson clings to his man a little too much in the halfcourt, a likely product of Kentucky’s defensive system.

This is where it becomes a struggle to project Johnson’s future defensive value. His frame and athleticism set a nice baseline, but his technique needs work, and his decision-making is acceptable for college but pretty poor for NBA-level defense. So what is teachable, or more appropriately “likely” to be developed, and what here is a long-term concern?

Johnson absolutely does need to learn to use his body better as a defensive player, and that’s going to take significant work to achieve.
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Re: 2019 NBA Draft Prep 

Post#516 » by King Ken » Wed Jan 2, 2019 4:51 pm

Can't take anyone seriously who has Ja Morant at 14
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Post#517 » by personanongrata » Wed Jan 2, 2019 5:24 pm

The lesson on Doncic: skill and BBIQ are more important than athleticism.
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Post#518 » by King Ken » Wed Jan 2, 2019 6:13 pm

Laugh now but I am projecting for Jan and upcoming months based on season end, I am projecting us to be fighting for the 8th seed with 34-36 wins. While that should be more than enough to keep up in the top 10 of the lottery. That means we are way ahead schedule. Not the 16 win team we were looking at, at the end of November
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Post#520 » by personanongrata » Thu Jan 3, 2019 5:24 am

We need an alpha two way small forward, and secondary ball handler.

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