Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[rcklsscognition]

Bamba has been playing center for 10 years and doesn't have a post move. I was taught post moves in the junior magic league when I was 9 years old in one season that I still use today at the park to score on everyone. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can you not know any moves after playing for so long? I had one coach, a dad from the boy scouts who taught me; Bamba has had qualified coaching, personal trainers, and now and NBA team helping him. It blows my mind. He has to have something hidden. I hope this isn't a Dwight Howard thing, where he admits a decade later he was actually too scared to do things he could do alone on the practice court on the game floor under the bright lights.

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Bamba has been playing center for 10 years and doesn't have a post move. I was taught post moves in the junior magic league when I was 9 years old in one season that I still use today at the park to score on everyone. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can you not know any moves after playing for so long? I had one coach, a dad from the boy scouts who taught me; Bamba has had qualified coaching, personal trainers, and now and NBA team helping him. It blows my mind. He has to have something hidden. I hope this isn't a Dwight Howard thing, where he admits a decade later he was actually too scared to do things he could do alone on the practice court on the game floor under the bright lights.

This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

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[BadMofoPimp]

Magic should just sign Elf next summer now that he has cut his hair, all of a sudden he can score and play better defense.

I was going to bring him up, though it seems clear to me that his defense and shooting were both improving before his knee started hurting. The Pelicans seem to be happy with him.

At that price, I would be too!

[Blue_and_Whte]

Bamba has been playing center for 10 years and doesn't have a post move. I was taught post moves in the junior magic league when I was 9 years old in one season that I still use today at the park to score on everyone. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can you not know any moves after playing for so long? I had one coach, a dad from the boy scouts who taught me; Bamba has had qualified coaching, personal trainers, and now and NBA team helping him. It blows my mind. He has to have something hidden. I hope this isn't a Dwight Howard thing, where he admits a decade later he was actually too scared to do things he could do alone on the practice court on the game floor under the bright lights.

This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a BETTER center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Bamba has been playing center for 10 years and doesn't have a post move. I was taught post moves in the junior magic league when I was 9 years old in one season that I still use today at the park to score on everyone. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can you not know any moves after playing for so long? I had one coach, a dad from the boy scouts who taught me; Bamba has had qualified coaching, personal trainers, and now and NBA team helping him. It blows my mind. He has to have something hidden. I hope this isn't a Dwight Howard thing, where he admits a decade later he was actually too scared to do things he could do alone on the practice court on the game floor under the bright lights.

This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a good center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

[Blue_and_Whte]

This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a good center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

Exactly. considering the FO’s obsession over length im curious where other teams actually had him ranked.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Trades are coming it's just a matter of when and what PG do we get

[Blue_and_Whte]

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Trades are coming it's just a matter of when and what PG do we get

We should know by now that nothing typically happens until the deadline. I never want to wait that long though.

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This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a good center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

Exactly.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Trades are coming it's just a matter of when and what PG do we get

We should know by now that nothing typically happens until the deadline. I never want to wait that long though.

Deadline is Feb 7th.. You'd think rumors will start coming out Mid January

[pepe1991]

Entering 3 months of waiting for trades where nothing happens
yeey

[Optimus_Steel]

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a good center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

Exactly. considering the FO’s obsession over length im curious where other teams actually had him ranked.

We keep saying this over and over but the NBA is a perimeter players league now and we keep drafting defenders with long arms and limited skills and wonder why we cant score worth a damm. Actually drafting defenders has been going on since Rob, difference was he wasn't just taking the widest wingspan but still drafting limited skill players who were known as defenders. Its no wonder we are among the worst in the league every single year in scoring. Our biggest problem is not defense as Alex Martins I'm sure thinks. Its offense. We can't score and only can do so for limited periods. The terrible offense makes the defense worse, its really obvious except to Magic management. All WeHam has done is extend the rebuild period by not drafting any scorers or guards in 2 drafts, not even 2nd rounders, nothing. Fool got lucky with Giannis and thinks that recipe works readily.

[JF5]

Bamba has been playing center for 10 years and doesn't have a post move. I was taught post moves in the junior magic league when I was 9 years old in one season that I still use today at the park to score on everyone. It just doesn't make sense to me. How can you not know any moves after playing for so long? I had one coach, a dad from the boy scouts who taught me; Bamba has had qualified coaching, personal trainers, and now and NBA team helping him. It blows my mind. He has to have something hidden. I hope this isn't a Dwight Howard thing, where he admits a decade later he was actually too scared to do things he could do alone on the practice court on the game floor under the bright lights.

This is exactly why you don’t draft bigs in the top of the lottery unless they are extremely skilled. There have been way more instances of finding good bigs later in the draft for this reason (Jokic, Gasol, Gobert, D.Jordan, etc). Bamba had crazy measurements, but it doesn’t matter if the skillset isn’t there on the court.

I think Bamba will become a decent starter in the league and he deserves a chance to grow with the Magic. That being said, I would much rather Orlando drafted Bridges, Knox, or Shai. This pick will look stupid if Vuc is resigned for any amount of money and years.

His low BBIQ and his inability to post up I never believed he'd be a dominate post player that the fans here expected him to be. I've always thought he was in the Marcus Camby/Dwight Howard mold more than a Joel Embiid/Hakeem Olajuwon. The thing that really scares me is his inability to have a wider defensive impact. But with his size/length + Playing next to a guy who plays pretty good defense already in Issac I'm not as fearful.

[pepe1991]

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

Exactly. considering the FO’s obsession over length im curious where other teams actually had him ranked.

We keep saying this over and over but the NBA is a perimeter players league now and we keep drafting defenders with long arms and limited skills and wonder why we cant score worth a damm. Actually drafting defenders has been going on since Rob, difference was he wasn't just taking the widest wingspan but still drafting limited skill players who were known as defenders. Its no wonder we are among the worst in the league every single year in scoring. Our biggest problem is not defense as Alex Martins I'm sure thinks. Its offense. We can't score and only can do so for limited periods. The terrible offense makes the defense worse, its really obvious except to Magic management. All WeHam has done is extend the rebuild period by not drafting any scorers or guards in 2 drafts, not even 2nd rounders, nothing. Fool got lucky with Giannis and thinks that recipe works readily.

To add to your point
Magic in 5 of last 6 years finished as top 4 worst offensive team in whole league.
Right now they are 4th worst team by off rating.

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Exactly. considering the FO’s obsession over length im curious where other teams actually had him ranked.

We keep saying this over and over but the NBA is a perimeter players league now and we keep drafting defenders with long arms and limited skills and wonder why we cant score worth a damm. Actually drafting defenders has been going on since Rob, difference was he wasn't just taking the widest wingspan but still drafting limited skill players who were known as defenders. Its no wonder we are among the worst in the league every single year in scoring. Our biggest problem is not defense as Alex Martins I'm sure thinks. Its offense. We can't score and only can do so for limited periods. The terrible offense makes the defense worse, its really obvious except to Magic management. All WeHam has done is extend the rebuild period by not drafting any scorers or guards in 2 drafts, not even 2nd rounders, nothing. Fool got lucky with Giannis and thinks that recipe works readily.

To add to your point
Magic in 5 of last 6 years finished as top 4 worst offensive team in whole league.
Right now they are 4th worst team by off rating.

I’m not saying that I don’t find value in Bamba and Isaac as prospects, and that they won’t improve over time. However, I was extremely disappointed that this FO drafted both, back to back, while failing to address glaring weaknesses that have plagued this roster for years.

Those draft picks were extremely important to this rebuild and they took huge risks on two projects offensively. That is simply unacceptable for a new FO and the current direction of this franchise IMO. Watching them scramble to acquire a guard now is laughable.

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Talk about short sighted.

“They won’t trade their best player trying to make a playoff push”.

“We don’t know what is in store for Vucevic in free agency. They are planning on keeping him this season regardless.”

“They need a point guard, but it’s extremely hard to find one. We need to make the playoffs.”

What could go wrong? LOL

This franchise man...

[MoMM]

Will look stupid? It already looks stupid. We already had a good center and there were more skilled players after Bamba. The problem is overrating players based on measurements, then passing on guys that actually have skill.

Will look dumber when we don't trade Vuch and lose him for nothing in the summer. Bamba will get a pass from magic media since it was really a redshirt/learn behind Vuc year while other top 10 picks are showing promise in year 1.

Exactly. considering the FO’s obsession over length im curious where other teams actually had him ranked.

Well, he was a Top 10 pick in the mock drafts, so I believe he was highly rated by NBA teams in general, but I'm not saying he should be there, however it's not only Orlando that overvalues measurements nowadays.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

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Talk about short sighted.

“They won’t trade their best player trying to make a playoff push”.

“We don’t know what is in store for Vucevic in free agency. They are planning on keeping him this season regardless.”

“They need a point guard, but it’s extremely hard to find one. We need to make the playoffs.”

What could go wrong? LOL

This franchise man...

Keeping Vuc, Missing playoffs and picking 15-20th ROFL... Hopefully the FO isn't short sided and the picking on bamba should back that. If they were going for playoffs they would've made moves to grab a PG or any sort of guard to help the scoring issue we have.