What should Washington do?

[Prokorov]

Wall isnt moveable, especially with the injury. The move is to trade otto porter while some team might still think he is a young potential all-star and not a role player on a max deal/harrison barnes 2.0.

Roll with beal and wall until you have some kind of option with wall. roll your draft stock down the line trading current picks for future ones closer to when wall expires. bit the bull for 2-3 years and then be loaded up for a rebuild with an expired wall a plethora o picks and a still in his prime beal

[becorz]

Washington should 100% wait to make any trade involving anyone not on a one year contract. There is no reason to trade Beal or Porter now.

Well, one good reason is to avoid luxury tax payments, and to avoid starting the repeater tax.

Another might be to start on a restructuring of a team that few Wizard fans think is that great, and they may prefer to buy tickets with the future in mind.

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

I don't see many other ways to do it right now. Maybe trade Ariza for Zach Randolph, then convince two other teams to take Dekker and Green into a trade exception?

It is just so much easier to get out from the tax in the offseason and start the rebuild then. You will probably get more in a trade (possible exception in Beal) and more teams will have space. Maybe you get a team to take Howard for a fake second. Just don't take on additional money in a trade.

[NYG]

Ariza for McLemore? Gets under the tax without using assets

Barnes and Smith Jr. for Porter?

[OrlandoDream]

They are not going anywhere with this core. Beal will get you the most return for a rebuild as Wall with his injury and contract wont be easy to unload. This is the year if they want to tank. Zion would be a great start to the rebuild.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Ariza for McLemore? Gets under the tax without using assets

Barnes and Smith Jr. for Porter?

I like the Ariza idea.

[pcbothwel]

Ariza for McLemore? Gets under the tax without using assets

Barnes and Smith Jr. for Porter?

Seems like an obvious match. Though getting a 2nd would feel like a more fair trade and we can add value in Jeff Green or Dekker.
Ariza + Green for McLemore, Min Filler, 2019 2nd.

Ariza and Green are PERFECT compliments to Fox, Hield, Bogdon, Jackson, and Bagley. Seasoned and athletic vets that Shoot 3's, attack the basket and defend 3-4 positions.
Dont see how Kings can improve more than that without jeopardizing a real asset or cap space next year.
Wiz continue the tank and get out of tax.

[queridiculo]

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

[queridiculo]

The first an only priority should be to get under the tax threshold. The easiest way to do that is to give away Ariza & Morris. Save about $4mil in an Ariza transaction, and $2.5mil in a Morris, and you're done. The return doesn't matter. I'd hold off on dealing the expensive 3, because teams will become desperate after getting shutout in FA. GMs will need some sort of offseason get to sell fans and ownership.

Getting under the tax this year as a priority is getting way too much consideration here.

Washington currently sits at $116 million in salaries committed to 2019/20, which includes Dwight Howards player option.

Assuming that Howard opts out that number drops to around $111 million, and if Washington ops to stretch Mahinmi next calendar year this number drops closer to $100 million.

The luxury tax line for next season is projected to be around $132 to $133 million, so it's completely reasonable to assume that Washington can put together a decent roster that's not going to breach the max threshold and that leaves all three max deals in place.

If Washington avoids the luxury tax next season, they don't have to worry about repeater status and it's worth pointing out that the luxury tax threshold for 2020 is projected to be at $143 million.

[Resistance]

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

150% rule?
I am not familiar with that.

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

A simultaneous trade takes place all at once. The amount of salary a team can take back in a simultaneous trade depends on the amount of outgoing salary1 and whether the team is a taxpayer.2 They always use the post-trade team salary when looking at whether a team is a taxpayer, so a team under the tax level would be considered a taxpayer if the trade takes them over the tax level.3,4

For non-taxpaying teams (again, they must be under the tax level after the trade), the salaries that can be acquired depend on the total salaries the team is trading away:
Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.
Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary.....Maximum incoming salary
Any........................................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

[TheNetsFan]

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

Washington is $6,436,364 over the luxury tax threshold. Yes, they can get under by dealing players and taking back less, but moving only Ariza in that scenario won't cut it, unless it's a multi-team deal.

[becorz]

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

150% rule?
I am not familiar with that.

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Spoiler:

A simultaneous trade takes place all at once. The amount of salary a team can take back in a simultaneous trade depends on the amount of outgoing salary1 and whether the team is a taxpayer.2 They always use the post-trade team salary when looking at whether a team is a taxpayer, so a team under the tax level would be considered a taxpayer if the trade takes them over the tax level.3,4

For non-taxpaying teams (again, they must be under the tax level after the trade), the salaries that can be acquired depend on the total salaries the team is trading away:
Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.
Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary.....Maximum incoming salary
Any........................................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

So, given what you read on CBA FAQ, queridiculo is correct. If a non taxpaying team wants to acquire Ariza, their outgoing salary must be at least 10mil. $10 million plus $5 million is the $15 million Ariza makes.

But the Wizards would then need to shed one more contract to get under the tax. I think the way you do that is send Dekker or Green to a team (I would love Green on the Kings) with a trade exception or cap space.

So, it is doable without the Kings, but you would it would be really close. Is there a guy who makes exactly $10 million who is available? Could you give away Green and Dekker into another teams exceptions?

[Resistance]

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

150% rule?
I am not familiar with that.

86. How do simultaneous trades work? How much salary can a team take back in a simultaneous trade?

Spoiler:

A simultaneous trade takes place all at once. The amount of salary a team can take back in a simultaneous trade depends on the amount of outgoing salary1 and whether the team is a taxpayer.2 They always use the post-trade team salary when looking at whether a team is a taxpayer, so a team under the tax level would be considered a taxpayer if the trade takes them over the tax level.3,4

For non-taxpaying teams (again, they must be under the tax level after the trade), the salaries that can be acquired depend on the total salaries the team is trading away:
Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

Taxpaying teams can take back up to 125% of their outgoing salaries, plus $100,000, no matter how much salary the team is sending away. For example, a taxpaying team trading away $10 million in salaries can acquire one or more replacement players making up to $12.6 million.
Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary.....Maximum incoming salary
Any........................................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000

So, given what you read on CBA FAQ, queridiculo is correct. If a non taxpaying team wants to acquire Ariza, their outgoing salary must be at least 10mil. $10 million plus $5 million is the $15 million Ariza makes.

But the Wizards would then need to shed one more contract to get under the tax. I think the way you do that is send Dekker or Green to a team (I would love Green on the Kings) with a trade exception or cap space.

So, it is doable without the Kings, but you would it would be really close. Is there a guy who makes exactly $10 million who is available? Could you give away Green and Dekker into another teams exceptions?

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Using the 150% rule with Ariza's salary at $17,000,000

$17,000,000 / 1.50 = $11,333,333


Using the CBA

Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000


$17,000,000 - $5,000,000 = $12,000,000

[lakerhater]

Ariza for McLemore? Gets under the tax without using assets

Barnes and Smith Jr. for Porter?

Seems like an obvious match. Though getting a 2nd would feel like a more fair trade and we can add value in Jeff Green or Dekker.
Ariza + Green for McLemore, Min Filler, 2019 2nd.

Ariza and Green are PERFECT compliments to Fox, Hield, Bogdon, Jackson, and Bagley. Seasoned and athletic vets that Shoot 3's, attack the basket and defend 3-4 positions.
Dont see how Kings can improve more than that without jeopardizing a real asset or cap space next year.
Wiz continue the tank and get out of tax.

I really like this one for Sac. They add needed vet depth and it gives them flexibility for them to deal Bjelica (not that I want to see him go, just an example of that roster flexibility) if a contending team that needs emergency help due to injury offers an overpay.

[becorz]

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Using the 150% rule with Ariza's salary at $17,000,000

$17,000,000 / 1.50 = $11,333,333


Using the CBA

Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000


$17,000,000 - $5,000,000 = $12,000,000

My understanding is that Ariza's contract is worht $15,000,000. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/07/01/trevor-ariza-contract-signs-phoenix-suns

In a trade, the Wizards are allowed to take in any amount of money from $0 to total outgoing salary plus $5 million. So, if the Wizards trade Ariza, the amount of incoming salary can for $0 to $20 million.

(If Ariza's salary were $17 million, then the Wizards could take in any amount from $0 to $22 million)

But that has to work for the team acquiring Ariza too. Assuming they are over the cap (but not hard capped), the team acquiring Ariza must send out salary equal to Ariza's contract minus $5 million. So, the smallest contract amount an over the cap team can send to Washington in a trade for Ariza would be $10 million.

(If Ariza's salary was $17 million, then a team would have to send out at least $12 million.)

Either way, the most the Wizards can save against the tax in a trade is $5 million. According to the trade checker, they are $6,442,571 over the tax line. So, they would have to trade more than Ariza to get under the tax.

[queridiculo]

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Seems to be pretty clearly stated in the CBA FAQ, doesn't that make it a rule/policy/stipulation in the CBA

Ariza's salary this year is $15 million, not $17 million, hence the $10 million figure.

There are currently 14 non-tax teams that could absorb Ariza's salary whilst sending out $10 million in return salaries.

[shrink]

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Seems to be pretty clearly stated in the CBA FAQ, doesn't that make it a rule/policy/stipulation in the CBA

No it is not. You said .. and I quote ..

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

There is no such thing in the CBA as the “150% Rule,” so stop shooting eye roll emoticons at other posters for you are making up your own CBA rules.

[queridiculo]

To me, the only way the Wiz get under the tax is to do a trade with the Kings where the Kings use up cap space. In that trade, the Wiz are going to be giving up Porter and they are not going to get a high quality asset back. I think if the Wiz wait until the off season, they will be able to get assets back for Porter.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

Washington is $6,436,364 over the luxury tax threshold. Yes, they can get under by dealing players and taking back less, but moving only Ariza in that scenario won't cut it, unless it's a multi-team deal.

Curious, where do you get your figures? I tend to use basketball reference, and over there they have Washington at $128.75 million, which based on $123.7 million luxury tax tax threshold would put Washington just around $5 million over.

I don't think it's a coincidence that Washington opted to turn Oubre and Rivers deals into a single $15 million contract that's attached to a somewhat desirable asset.

[queridiculo]

There is no such thing in the CBA as the “150% Rule,” so stop shooting eye roll emoticons at other posters for you are making up your own CBA rules.

rule
/ruːl/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.

The mechanism is very clearly defined in the CBA faq put together by the NBA

[Resistance]

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Using the 150% rule with Ariza's salary at $17,000,000

$17,000,000 / 1.50 = $11,333,333


Using the CBA

Non-Taxpaying Teams Outgoing salary..........Maximum incoming salary
$0 to $6,533,333...................................175% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,0005
$6,533,334 to $19.6 million......................The outgoing salary plus $5 million5
$19.6 million and up...............................125% of the outgoing salary, plus $100,000


$17,000,000 - $5,000,000 = $12,000,000

My understanding is that Ariza's contract is worht $15,000,000. https://www.si.com/nba/2018/07/01/trevor-ariza-contract-signs-phoenix-suns

In a trade, the Wizards are allowed to take in any amount of money from $0 to total outgoing salary plus $5 million. So, if the Wizards trade Ariza, the amount of incoming salary can for $0 to $20 million.

(If Ariza's salary were $17 million, then the Wizards could take in any amount from $0 to $22 million)

But that has to work for the team acquiring Ariza too. Assuming they are over the cap (but not hard capped), the team acquiring Ariza must send out salary equal to Ariza's contract minus $5 million. So, the smallest contract amount an over the cap team can send to Washington in a trade for Ariza would be $10 million.

(If Ariza's salary was $17 million, then a team would have to send out at least $12 million.)

Either way, the most the Wizards can save against the tax in a trade is $5 million. According to the trade checker, they are $6,442,571 over the tax line. So, they would have to trade more than Ariza to get under the tax.

That is a coincidence rather than a stated rule/policy/stipulation per the CBA.

Seems to be pretty clearly stated in the CBA FAQ, doesn't that make it a rule/policy/stipulation in the CBA

Ariza's salary this year is $15 million, not $17 million, hence the $10 million figure.

There are currently 14 non-tax teams that could absorb Ariza's salary whilst sending out $10 million in return salaries.

From earlier in this thread.

The Wizards can get under the tax by trading Ariza and taking back a deal that's around $10 million, there are a ton of trading partners that Washington can choose from by virtue of the 150% rule.

I substituted the $17,000,000 salary to demonstrate that the supposed 150% rule no longer works.


I looked in the CBA for the 150% rule and still haven't found it.

(i) A Team whose post-assignment Team Salary would exceed
the Tax Level for the then-current Salary Cap Year may
replace a Traded Player with one (1) or more Replacement
Players whose Player Contracts are acquired simultaneously
and whose post-assignment Salaries for the then-current
Salary Cap Year, in the aggregate, are no more than an
amount equal to one hundred twenty-five percent (125%)
of the pre-trade Salary of the Traded Player, plus $100,000.
A Team whose post-assignment Team Salary would be
equal to or less than the Tax Level for the then-current
Salary Cap Year may replace a Traded Player with one (1)
or more Replacement Players whose Player Contracts are
acquired simultaneously and whose post-assignment
Salaries for the then-current Salary Cap Year, in the
aggregate, are no more than an amount equal to the greater
of: (y) the lesser of: (A) one hundred seventy-five (175%)
of the pre-trade Salary of the Traded Player, plus $100,000;
or (B) one hundred percent (100%) of the pre-trade Salary
of the Traded Player, plus $5 million; or (z) one hundred
twenty-five percent (125%) of the pre-trade Salary of the
Traded Player, plus $100,000.

Here is a link to download the CBA.

CBA Download

Please find the usage of 150% for trades and quote it for us.

[Resistance]

There is no such thing in the CBA as the “150% Rule,” so stop shooting eye roll emoticons at other posters for you are making up your own CBA rules.

rule
/ruːl/
noun
1.
one of a set of explicit or understood regulations or principles governing conduct or procedure within a particular area of activity.

The mechanism is very clearly defined in the CBA faq put together by the NBA

Larry Coon is the author of the CBA FAQ rather than the NBA.

122. What if this FAQ is wrong? How authoritative is this FAQ?

This FAQ has been fact-checked against the actual CBA, and I'm pretty confident about its accuracy. Still, this FAQ isn't necessarily 100% accurate. If you find any errors, please contact me at lmcoon@cox.net (please include the source of your information, if possible). You may also contact me if there are additional questions you would like to see added to this FAQ, or if you find any of the answers confusing and in need of clarification.

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