Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[dckingsfan]

At this point, do you think either of these trades are fair for Sacramento or Washington? This is assuming both teams are out of the playoff hunt.

Porter for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph.

Or

Porter and Mahimni for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph, Koufos and McLemore.

[pcbothwel]

At this point, do you think either of these trades are fair for Sacramento or Washington? This is assuming both teams are out of the playoff hunt.

Porter for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph.

Or

Porter and Mahimni for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph, Koufos and McLemore.

The 2nd trade is a clear win for us. Jackson doesnt have a high ceiling, but he appears to be a rotation worthy wing that can score efficiently and stay in his lane.
Getting out of the tax this year and Mahinmi's contract also gives us an opening to take on salary for a pick.
I.E. Ariza & Green to Houston for Knight, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st

With no Wall or Otto, we most certainly continue our slide into a higher pick.

[Ruzious]

I'd still rather keep Porter - if he's really healthy - because I think he's better than what we can get for him.

I think we can get a ton for Beal and should probably take advantage of that. Boston might be a good target, because they seem to have fallen to 4th best in the East and they might have 4... first round picks in 2019 - depending on protections. They're more likely than not going to get Memphis pick (now 13th with top 8 protection) and the Clippers (now 19th/20th). But they also have under-performing players that they might be under-valueing now. I'd try:

Beal and Markeiff Morris for Gordon Haywood, the Memphis pick, and the Clippers pick.

Haywood was a legit star in 2016/2017, but missed all last season, and hasn't shot well this season. Granted, he's a risk because he may never get back to that elite level, but he does have an excellent assist/to ratio, so the rest of his game looks good, and I'm guessing the shooting/scoring will come next season. And maybe moving Jaylen Brown to the 3 will help his game - which has been very inconsistent - not unusual for such a young player, but I think a change to the 3 where he wouldn't have ball-hanlding duties - would help him and the Celtics. I think the Celtics have extra incentives to win this year, because Horford could be in decline. And the trade would actually be freeing up another 5 million plus for next season.

For the Wiz, they save a little money this season - getting them closer to avoiding the lux tax, It does cost them a little more next season, because Haywood's making 5 mil plus more than Beal, but if they can get under the lux tax limit this season, that saves them on the multiplier next season. Roster-wise, Haywood's been a better player than Beal is and may get that back next season. And adding 2 firsts to the lotto pick we'll likely have in the 2019 draft gives us lots of flexibility.

Edit - pardons for saying Haywood instead of Hayward. And of course, I've motivated him to be having his best shooting game of the season right now.

[dangermouse]

I'd still rather keep Porter - if he's really healthy - because I think he's better than what we can get for him.

I think we can get a ton for Beal and should probably take advantage of that. Boston might be a good target, because they seem to have fallen to 4th best in the East and they might have 4... first round picks in 2019 - depending on protections. They're more likely than not going to get Memphis pick (now 13th with top 8 protection) and the Clippers (now 19th/20th). But they also have under-performing players that they might be under-valueing now. I'd try:

Beal and Markeiff Morris for Gordon Haywood, the Memphis pick, and the Clippers pick.

Haywood was a legit star in 2016/2017, but missed all last season, and hasn't shot well this season. Granted, he's a risk because he may never get back to that elite level, but he does have an excellent assist/to ratio, so the rest of his game looks good, and I'm guessing the shooting/scoring will come next season. And maybe moving Jaylen Brown to the 3 will help his game - which has been very inconsistent - not unusual for such a young player, but I think a change to the 3 where he wouldn't have ball-hanlding duties - would help him and the Celtics. I think the Celtics have extra incentives to win this year, because Horford could be in decline. And the trade would actually be freeing up another 5 million plus for next season.

For the Wiz, they save a little money this season - getting them closer to avoiding the lux tax, It does cost them a little more next season, because Haywood's making 5 mil plus more than Beal, but if they can get under the lux tax limit this season, that saves them on the multiplier next season. Roster-wise, Haywood's been a better player than Beal is and may get that back next season. And adding 2 firsts to the lotto pick we'll likely have in the 2019 draft gives us lots of flexibility.

I'm dead against a Beal trade, but if we were to move him, this is the kind of return I would expect to get.

[FAH1223]

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[queridiculo]

At this point, do you think either of these trades are fair for Sacramento or Washington? This is assuming both teams are out of the playoff hunt.

Porter for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph.

Or

Porter and Mahimni for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph, Koufos and McLemore.

The 2nd trade is a clear win for us. Jackson doesnt have a high ceiling, but he appears to be a rotation worthy wing that can score efficiently and stay in his lane.
Getting out of the tax this year and Mahinmi's contract also gives us an opening to take on salary for a pick.
I.E. Ariza & Green to Houston for Knight, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st

With no Wall or Otto, we most certainly continue our slide into a higher pick.

A win, man you guys must really hate Porter, it's absurd to qualify this as anything but terrible.

[FAH1223]

At this point, do you think either of these trades are fair for Sacramento or Washington? This is assuming both teams are out of the playoff hunt.

Porter for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph.

Or

Porter and Mahimni for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph, Koufos and McLemore.

The 2nd trade is a clear win for us. Jackson doesnt have a high ceiling, but he appears to be a rotation worthy wing that can score efficiently and stay in his lane.
Getting out of the tax this year and Mahinmi's contract also gives us an opening to take on salary for a pick.
I.E. Ariza & Green to Houston for Knight, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st

With no Wall or Otto, we most certainly continue our slide into a higher pick.

A win, man you guys must really hate Porter, it's absurd to qualify this as anything but terrible.

Nearly every Porter trade I see is aimed at dumping his $27M cap number next year

In nearly every trade we are giving up the best player in the deal. Not to mention we have no shooting at the forward spot without Otto next season. Lots of Wizards fans say you can get the same player for MLE or veterans minimum.

[FAH1223]

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[pcbothwel]

At this point, do you think either of these trades are fair for Sacramento or Washington? This is assuming both teams are out of the playoff hunt.

Porter for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph.

Or

Porter and Mahimni for Ferrell, Jackson and Randolph, Koufos and McLemore.

The 2nd trade is a clear win for us. Jackson doesnt have a high ceiling, but he appears to be a rotation worthy wing that can score efficiently and stay in his lane.
Getting out of the tax this year and Mahinmi's contract also gives us an opening to take on salary for a pick.
I.E. Ariza & Green to Houston for Knight, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st

With no Wall or Otto, we most certainly continue our slide into a higher pick.

A win, man you guys must really hate Porter, it's absurd to qualify this as anything but terrible.

LOLOL. Did you even read the trade. We are dumping 10M immediately and 40M!!!! next year, while getting a decent depth wing prospect in Jackson. Are you even registering that type of value?
You can say you'd lean towards not accepting it, but for you to find it laughable or terrible simply shows your lack of comprehension in the market.
Like I said above, you could turn around and do the Ariza trade and next year have:
Jackson, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st for Otto ... Those assets plus the 23M in cap savings is certainly worth it, especially if we helps get us a higher pick this year

[NatP4]

Ian Mahinmi+2nd round pick for Reggie Jackson

[queridiculo]

LOLOL. Did you even read the trade. We are dumping 10M immediately and 40M!!!! next year, while getting a decent depth wing prospect in Jackson. Are you even registering that type of value?
You can say you'd lean towards not accepting it, but for you to find it laughable or terrible simply shows your lack of comprehension in the market.
Like I said above, you could turn around and do the Ariza trade and next year have:
Jackson, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st for Otto ... Those assets plus the 23M in cap savings is certainly worth it, especially if we helps get us a higher pick this year

I read the trade, it's terrible.

The cap savings are about as pointless as what will be at best a late lottery pick in a top heavy draft, and selling Jackson as an asset is a joke quite frankly.

[pcbothwel]

LOLOL. Did you even read the trade. We are dumping 10M immediately and 40M!!!! next year, while getting a decent depth wing prospect in Jackson. Are you even registering that type of value?
You can say you'd lean towards not accepting it, but for you to find it laughable or terrible simply shows your lack of comprehension in the market.
Like I said above, you could turn around and do the Ariza trade and next year have:
Jackson, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st for Otto ... Those assets plus the 23M in cap savings is certainly worth it, especially if we helps get us a higher pick this year

I read the trade, it's terrible.

The cap savings are about as pointless as a late lottery pick in a top heavy draft, and selling Jackson and Clark as assets is a joke quite frankly.

Saving your owner millions and gaining flexibility, 1st round draft picks, and young depth players with strong analytics are all "pointless" and a "joke"...
EG, is that you?

[izaballa]

So at the end of the day it is OP, Ariza, Green, and Ian for 4 scrubs Knight, Jackson, Hartenstein, and Clark plus a mid round 1st.

Think you could do better moving OP, Ariza, & Green individually and stretching Ian if you want to free up a bit more $$$. I think once you move the first 3 you are going below the tax line so you don't have the urgency to move Ian. At that point it might be better to just bite the bullet and keep him for his remaining year or give him his coin and waive him if you don't plan on playing him.

[queridiculo]

LOLOL. Did you even read the trade. We are dumping 10M immediately and 40M!!!! next year, while getting a decent depth wing prospect in Jackson. Are you even registering that type of value?
You can say you'd lean towards not accepting it, but for you to find it laughable or terrible simply shows your lack of comprehension in the market.
Like I said above, you could turn around and do the Ariza trade and next year have:
Jackson, Hartenstein, Clark, 2019 1st for Otto ... Those assets plus the 23M in cap savings is certainly worth it, especially if we helps get us a higher pick this year

I read the trade, it's terrible.

The cap savings are about as pointless as a late lottery pick in a top heavy draft, and selling Jackson and Clark as assets is a joke quite frankly.

Saving your owner millions and gaining flexibility, 1st round draft picks, and young depth players with strong analytics are all "pointless" and a "joke"...
EG, is that you?

Who gives a flying **** about saving millions, are you really that dense? What are you going to do with all these millions when you're s tuck paying Wall and Beal anyway.

Porter is a really good player, you're acting like he's a waste of a roster spot.

[pcbothwel]

Dense? lol. Maybe you should step away from the laptop and Otto love letters and realize owning an NBA team is a business. This board usually does a great job of being realistic with that, but I guess you didnt get the memo.

1) i love porter and he is far from a waste of a roster spot
2) Who says Wall and/or Beal arent traded later
3) You do know that pure cap space isnt the only goal of reducing salary, dont you?

And you're right, Porter is a VERY GOOD player. But he isnt GREAT, and he makes a lot of money.
Question. Do you think we are contenders? What about next year or the year after?... No? Then why keep an asset like Porter around that simultaneously 1) Limits how Bad we are/how high our pick is, 2) Cost us almost 30M per year, 3) keeps us from adding future assets.

I wont give him away, but if im offered a pure dump of his AND Mahinmi's salary along with a prospect... You'll have a hard time saying no.

[nate33]

I'd still rather keep Porter - if he's really healthy - because I think he's better than what we can get for him.

I think we can get a ton for Beal and should probably take advantage of that. Boston might be a good target, because they seem to have fallen to 4th best in the East and they might have 4... first round picks in 2019 - depending on protections. They're more likely than not going to get Memphis pick (now 13th with top 8 protection) and the Clippers (now 19th/20th). But they also have under-performing players that they might be under-valueing now. I'd try:

Beal and Markeiff Morris for Gordon Haywood, the Memphis pick, and the Clippers pick.

Haywood was a legit star in 2016/2017, but missed all last season, and hasn't shot well this season. Granted, he's a risk because he may never get back to that elite level, but he does have an excellent assist/to ratio, so the rest of his game looks good, and I'm guessing the shooting/scoring will come next season. And maybe moving Jaylen Brown to the 3 will help his game - which has been very inconsistent - not unusual for such a young player, but I think a change to the 3 where he wouldn't have ball-hanlding duties - would help him and the Celtics. I think the Celtics have extra incentives to win this year, because Horford could be in decline. And the trade would actually be freeing up another 5 million plus for next season.

For the Wiz, they save a little money this season - getting them closer to avoiding the lux tax, It does cost them a little more next season, because Haywood's making 5 mil plus more than Beal, but if they can get under the lux tax limit this season, that saves them on the multiplier next season. Roster-wise, Haywood's been a better player than Beal is and may get that back next season. And adding 2 firsts to the lotto pick we'll likely have in the 2019 draft gives us lots of flexibility.

I'm dead against a Beal trade, but if we were to move him, this is the kind of return I would expect to get.

I'm scared to death of having the contracts of both Hayward and Wall on this roster. At the very least, we should make them eat Mahinmi's contract in that transaction. They may not mind so much because it will give them the necessary "filler" in a Davis acquisition.

[dckingsfan]

I read the trade, it's terrible.

The cap savings are about as pointless as a late lottery pick in a top heavy draft, and selling Jackson and Clark as assets is a joke quite frankly.

Saving your owner millions and gaining flexibility, 1st round draft picks, and young depth players with strong analytics are all "pointless" and a "joke"...
EG, is that you?

Who gives a flying **** about saving millions, are you really that dense? What are you going to do with all these millions when you're stuck paying Wall and Beal anyway.

Porter is a really good player, you're acting like he's a waste of a roster spot.

But there is a reality here - we need to move one of Wall, Beal or Porter. It would give you a chance to resign Bryant, Dekker and Satoransky if you want, so is it optimal, no. is it terrible, also no.

Code: Select all

Player           2019-20
John Wall       $37,800,000
Bradley Beal    $27,093,019
Dwight Howard    $5,603,850
Justin Jackson   $3,280,920
Troy Brown       $3,219,480
Yogi Ferrell     $3,150,000
                $80,147,269

[queridiculo]

But there is a reality here - we need to move one of Wall, Beal or Porter. It would give you a chance to resign Bryant, Dekker and Satoransky if you want, so is it optimal, no. is it terrible, also no.

Code: Select all

Player           2019-20
John Wall       $37,800,000
Bradley Beal    $27,093,019
Dwight Howard    $5,603,850
Justin Jackson   $3,280,920
Troy Brown       $3,219,480
Yogi Ferrell     $3,150,000
                $80,147,269

The Wizards don't need to move anybody.

It goes without saying that the Wizards are basically locked into their roster if they don't, but the situation isn't quite as dire as people are making it out to be.

By stretching Mahinmi the Wizards still have enough salary cap flexibility to resign their RFAs, sign their rookie and if Howard opts out, they'd gain additional flexibility to fill out their roster.

We're talking anywhere from $26 to $31 million before the Wizards would hit the luxury tax threshold under that scenario.

Moving positive assets to avoid a squeeze is the worst way for Washington to move forward.

[dckingsfan]

But there is a reality here - we need to move one of Wall, Beal or Porter. It would give you a chance to resign Bryant, Dekker and Satoransky if you want, so is it optimal, no. is it terrible, also no.

The Wizards don't need to move anybody.

It goes without saying that the Wizards are basically locked into their roster if they don't, but the situation isn't quite as dire as people are making it out to be.

By stretching Mahinmi the Wizards still have enough salary cap flexibility to resign their RFAs, sign their rookie and if Howard opts out, they'd gain additional flexibility to fill out their roster.

We're talking anywhere from $26 to $31 million before the Wizards would hit the luxury tax threshold under that scenario.

Moving positive assets to avoid a squeeze is the worst way for Washington to move forward.

Gotcha - I know where you are coming from. I guess I am adamantly opposed to stretching Mahimni and I am pretty convinced Howard is coming back. So, we will have 116M against 6 players.
Wall
Beal
Brown
Porter
Howard/Mahimni

We would have a first round pick and a 16M to flesh out the roster. I am pretty certain that doesn't get us past the Bucks, Pacers, 76ers or Celtics and might not get us past the next 4 teams in the east.

I think that is a pretty dire long-term prognosis. Then again - if we were to get one of the top two picks in the draft, it could work out well.

[DCZards]

Gotcha - I know where you are coming from. I guess I am adamantly opposed to stretching Mahimni and I am pretty convinced Howard is coming back. So, we will have 116M against 6 players.
Wall
Beal
Brown
Porter
Howard/Mahimni

We would have a first round pick and a 16M to flesh out the roster. I am pretty certain that doesn't get us past the Bucks, Pacers, 76ers or Celtics and might not get us past the next 4 teams in the east.

I think that is a pretty dire long-term prognosis. Then again - if we were to get one of the top two picks in the draft, it could work out well.

The chances of the Zards getting one of the top two picks in the draft may be slimmer than the chances of the team getting past the Bucks, Pacers, Sixers, Celts and Raptors.

However, on the other hand, if they stretched Ian and came back next season with a roster that featured Wall, Beal, Sato, Brown, Porter, Howard, Bryant, Green and a 1st round pick, I think the Zards could be competitive in the East, certainly right there with the Bucks and Pacers...and the Raptors if the can't resign Kawhi.