Conley to Dallas for Barnes + Smith Jr.

[basketballwacko2]

Dallas: Mike Conley + JaMychal Green (expiring)
Mem: Harrison Barnes + Dennis Smith Jr. + Powell (1 year left)

Dallas can push for this year playoff while clearing some space for TWO top free agents in 2019.

Memphis gets its future pg.

This might be a good move for Memphis if they could work out a follow up deal that got Parsons outta town. If Parsons would agree to only partial guaranteed money on his 2nd and final year they might be able to move him.

[Texas Chuck]

Don't understand calling Conley a complimentary player. He's good enough to be the second best player on a playoff team (he was two years ago, is at worst Memphis' second best player right now). I know people don't like his contract, but other than an injury (which hasn't seemed to affect him too negatively) he's earned it (IMO).

He's the second best player on a. 500 team that's the definition of complimentary piece

And if he played for LA he'd be the second best player on a team over .500.

And if he played for Dallas he'd be the best player on a sub .500 team

Which is kinda one of the issues for Dallas here imo. There is no denying Conley is a good player. Top 40 or so probably? But he doesn't lift the Mavs from weak playoff contender to HCA team. He might not even get them into the playoffs considering the hole left behind with Barnes leaving.

And Dallas loses cap space this summer and for years to come. People keep talking about how it works because Luka is cheap, but just because Luka is cheap doesn't mean they should tie up a ton of money in Conley. It would make a lot more sense if Luka was 25 and an all-NBA player and Conley could slide in behind him.

Dallas is too far away to tie up this much long-term money in Conley.

[Captain_Obvious]

Conley is 31. Seven years too much for this kind of trade. Easy pass.

[babyjax13]

He's the second best player on a. 500 team that's the definition of complimentary piece

And if he played for LA he'd be the second best player on a team over .500.

And if he played for Dallas he'd be the best player on a sub .500 team

Which is kinda one of the issues for Dallas here imo. There is no denying Conley is a good player. Top 40 or so probably? But he doesn't lift the Mavs from weak playoff contender to HCA team. He might not even get them into the playoffs considering the hole left behind with Barnes leaving.

And Dallas loses cap space this summer and for years to come. People keep talking about how it works because Luka is cheap, but just because Luka is cheap doesn't mean they should tie up a ton of money in Conley. It would make a lot more sense if Luka was 25 and an all-NBA player and Conley could slide in behind him.

Dallas is too far away to tie up this much long-term money in Conley.

I don't really disagree. I don't think it's the worst trade, though. Conley+Doncic should give Dallas a pretty good sell in free agency. I know you think Barnes has a good chance of opting out, but I just don't see it. Powell might opt out, he'd probably get a bit less money per year but over a longer period. But whether they have Conley or Barnes+Powell they've got enough room (or can easily get it) for a max free agent.

[babyjax13]

He's the second best player on a. 500 team that's the definition of complimentary piece

And if he played for LA he'd be the second best player on a team over .500.

And he'd still be a complimentary piece

He's what, a top 35 player? Those are probably all max players, and I'm not sure I'd call any of them 'complimentary', unless anyone who isn't a 1st team all NBA type of guy is 'complimentary.'

[Pinkyring]

And if he played for LA he'd be the second best player on a team over .500.

And he'd still be a complimentary piece

He's what, a top 35 player? Those are probably all max players, and I'm not sure I'd call any of them 'complimentary', unless anyone who isn't a 1st team all NBA type of guy is 'complimentary.'

Any non perennial all star is a complimentary piece

[babyjax13]

And he'd still be a complimentary piece

He's what, a top 35 player? Those are probably all max players, and I'm not sure I'd call any of them 'complimentary', unless anyone who isn't a 1st team all NBA type of guy is 'complimentary.'

Any non perennial all star is a complimentary piece

That doesn't mean they aren't worth a max contract. Conley in the East likely would have multiple all-star games, so the point seems kind of moot anyway. Heck, he had a great case two years ago.

[916fan]

Come on, this is a pretty bad trade for Dallas. Barnes is older at 26yearsold, but he still has good years left. Barnes is more than just a player who needs to get salary dumped. He's looking like GS Barnes this year averaging 18ppg on an important 42.1 3pt %. 6.3attempts a game. Him and Doncic can switch between wings because he can help Doncic with the poorer matchups. DSJ? He's only 21yearsold with a lot of potential left. He's actually the only piece on Dallas that has as young of a timeframe as Doncic.

So...you want to trade both of those pieces away for a 31yearold Mike Conley on a bad contract? I don't see it. Mike is 11years older than Doncic.. let that sink in. You need to have complimenting young pieces who can grow alongside Luka. This ain't it.

[Pinkyring]

He's what, a top 35 player? Those are probably all max players, and I'm not sure I'd call any of them 'complimentary', unless anyone who isn't a 1st team all NBA type of guy is 'complimentary.'

Any non perennial all star is a complimentary piece

That doesn't mean they aren't worth a max contract. Conley in the East likely would have multiple all-star games, so the point seems kind of moot anyway. Heck, he had a great case two years ago.

He's not a 30m player thats absurd, just because u could make a couple all stars games dont mean you're a max guy, there are 10 max guys at best and he aint one

[babyjax13]

Any non perennial all star is a complimentary piece

That doesn't mean they aren't worth a max contract. Conley in the East likely would have multiple all-star games, so the point seems kind of moot anyway. Heck, he had a great case two years ago.

He's not a 30m player thats absurd, just because u could make a couple all stars games dont mean you're a max guy, there are 10 max guys at best and he aint one

You are definitely off on how many players deserve max contracts. Maybe if they were all 40% of the cap or so I'd agree.

[Pinkyring]

That doesn't mean they aren't worth a max contract. Conley in the East likely would have multiple all-star games, so the point seems kind of moot anyway. Heck, he had a great case two years ago.

He's not a 30m player thats absurd, just because u could make a couple all stars games dont mean you're a max guy, there are 10 max guys at best and he aint one

You are definitely off on how many players deserve max contracts. Maybe if they were all 40% of the cap or so I'd agree.

No im not, if you cant lead a team at minimum of around 40 wins you arent a max guy and there are only 8-10 of those out here, and im speaking of a real max, 3rd contract

[daoneandonly]

No reason for Dallas to do this. COnley is old and way overpaid, DSJ has shown some flashes that he can be a reliable player, you dont trade someone that young and a wing for old MIke Conley.

[Texas Chuck]

You are definitely off on how many players deserve max contracts. Maybe if they were all 40% of the cap or so I'd agree.

Yeah more than 10 guys definitely deserve one, but if even one tried to make the argument that they don't, we all know the landscape of the league and that more than 10 are going to get them.

I'm not eager to take on the Conley contract, but when I start thinking about undeserving max contracts I have to go pretty deep down the list before I would come to Mike Conley.

[Pinkyring]

You are definitely off on how many players deserve max contracts. Maybe if they were all 40% of the cap or so I'd agree.

Yeah more than 10 guys definitely deserve one, but if even one tried to make the argument that they don't, we all know the landscape of the league and that more than 10 are going to get them.

I'm not eager to take on the Conley contract, but when I start thinking about undeserving max contracts I have to go pretty deep down the list before I would come to Mike Conley.

People evaluate different, i know the market dictates things so a lot of guys are overpaid and some max guys overpaid, i see a real max player as a franchise player, one who is going to be an all star and a great player every year, for those guys i see steph, westbrook, lebron, harden, pg13, kd, lillard, ad, embiid, giannis, jokic, derozen, kawhi, jb, soooo 15. What i do know is conley isnt in that tier he is a level back

[Texas Chuck]

You are definitely off on how many players deserve max contracts. Maybe if they were all 40% of the cap or so I'd agree.

Yeah more than 10 guys definitely deserve one, but if even one tried to make the argument that they don't, we all know the landscape of the league and that more than 10 are going to get them.

I'm not eager to take on the Conley contract, but when I start thinking about undeserving max contracts I have to go pretty deep down the list before I would come to Mike Conley.

People evaluate different, i know the market dictates things so a lot of guys are overpaid and some max guys overpaid, i see a real max player as a franchise player, one who is going to be an all star and a great player every year, for those guys i see steph, westbrook, lebron, harden, pg13, kd, lillard, ad, embiid, giannis, jokic, derozen, kawhi, jb, soooo 15. What i do know is conley isnt in that tier he is a level back

I think we largely agree. I think I just take the perspective that the truly elite players are massively underpaid because their salary gets artificially capped by the max rules rather than thinking everyone else is massively overpaid(tho clearly guys like Wiggins, Barnes, Matthews, Parsons, etc are),