Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[Dn4sty]

Something to think about is how much do we want to sacrifice the future for this year if russ doesn't snap out of this by the deadline? That's why I hesitate to think of trading a guy like Diallo or Ferguson for Bjelica. I lean towards wanting a young player in return even if that wouldn't optimize our chances.

Everyone knows where I stand on this. The future is all that matters because this team isn't making it out of the first round. However, if I am Presti at this point I push for this year over the future. Either Presti is happy with first round exits or he needs to add talent. I can't imagine that ownership and Presti are happy with another first round exit this season with the tax bill what it is. I wouldn't be surprised if Presti gets fired if they don't make the 2nd round this year. In my book he will have earned that firing by making several obviously bad decisions over the last few years.

I know that you know this, but you are definitely in the minority on the “fire presti” train.

Most everyone understands that remaking a roster that would have had Adams, Sabonis, KD, Roberson, Russ, Dipo, and Horford is something that is not an offense of two task.

[Kizz Fastfists]

I know that you know this, but you are definitely in the minority on the “fire presti” train.

Most everyone understands that remaking a roster that would have had Adams, Sabonis, KD, Roberson, Russ, Dipo, and Horford is something that is not an offense of two task.

If Presti would have taken care of job #1 and kept kd then adding Horford to that the last few years would have been totally different. Likely back-to-back champions. If the reports are right about Russ recruiting Horford and that being somehow in place via a S&T involving Kanter then the team would have been in great shape even with Russ dropping off.

Russ/Felton
Roberson/Dipo
kd/Abrines
Horford/Grant? (Presti probably still trades for him or maybe he still trades for Taj and then resigns him)
Adams/Sabonis

That is a championship caliber team. However, I can't give Presti credit for something that didn't happen. I can also wonder if Presti didn't prevent it from happening by firing Brooks and hiring Donovan. By all accounts kd liked Brooks and never warmed up to Donovan.

[Dn4sty]

I know that you know this, but you are definitely in the minority on the “fire presti” train.

Most everyone understands that remaking a roster that would have had Adams, Sabonis, KD, Roberson, Russ, Dipo, and Horford is something that is not an offense of two task.

If Presti would have taken care of job #1 and kept kd then adding Horford to that the last few years would have been totally different. Likely back-to-back champions. If the reports are right about Russ recruiting Horford and that being somehow in place via a S&T involving Kanter then the team would have been in great shape even with Russ dropping off.

Russ/Felton
Roberson/Dipo
kd/Abrines
Horford/Grant? (Presti probably still trades for him or maybe he still trades for Taj and then resigns him)
Adams/Sabonis

That is a championship caliber team. However, I can't give Presti credit for something that didn't happen. I can also wonder if Presti didn't prevent it from happening by firing Brooks and hiring Donovan. By all accounts kd liked Brooks and never warmed up to Donovan.

I know you know this, but Im of the opinion that there is nothing that Presti could have done to prevent KD to GSW. KD was going before the season started

[Dn4sty]

I know that you know this, but you are definitely in the minority on the “fire presti” train.

Most everyone understands that remaking a roster that would have had Adams, Sabonis, KD, Roberson, Russ, Dipo, and Horford is something that is not an offense of two task.

If Presti would have taken care of job #1 and kept kd then adding Horford to that the last few years would have been totally different. Likely back-to-back champions. If the reports are right about Russ recruiting Horford and that being somehow in place via a S&T involving Kanter then the team would have been in great shape even with Russ dropping off.

Russ/Felton
Roberson/Dipo
kd/Abrines
Horford/Grant? (Presti probably still trades for him or maybe he still trades for Taj and then resigns him)
Adams/Sabonis

That is a championship caliber team. However, I can't give Presti credit for something that didn't happen. I can also wonder if Presti didn't prevent it from happening by firing Brooks and hiring Donovan. By all accounts kd liked Brooks and never warmed up to Donovan.

Also KD has subtly said like 100 different things as to why he left. I don’t think that the Brooks/Donovan stuff even registers on the radar screen.

In the end GSW presented KD with a shortcut/easy way out to a title that was only available one time because of a stupid cap spike. It wouldn’t have mattered what happened from roster moves to coaches.

I don’t see how you can fault Presti for that. It was a no win situation.

[Mattv]

I know that you know this, but you are definitely in the minority on the “fire presti” train.

Most everyone understands that remaking a roster that would have had Adams, Sabonis, KD, Roberson, Russ, Dipo, and Horford is something that is not an offense of two task.

If Presti would have taken care of job #1 and kept kd then adding Horford to that the last few years would have been totally different. Likely back-to-back champions. If the reports are right about Russ recruiting Horford and that being somehow in place via a S&T involving Kanter then the team would have been in great shape even with Russ dropping off.

Russ/Felton
Roberson/Dipo
kd/Abrines
Horford/Grant? (Presti probably still trades for him or maybe he still trades for Taj and then resigns him)
Adams/Sabonis

That is a championship caliber team. However, I can't give Presti credit for something that didn't happen. I can also wonder if Presti didn't prevent it from happening by firing Brooks and hiring Donovan. By all accounts kd liked Brooks and never warmed up to Donovan.

Also KD has subtly said like 100 different things as to why he left. I don’t think that the Brooks/Donovan stuff even registers on the radar screen.

In the end GSW presented KD with a shortcut/easy way out to a title that was only available one time because of a stupid cap spike. It wouldn’t have mattered what happened from roster moves to coaches.

I don’t see how you can fault Presti for that. It was a no win situation.

I feel like Kd was alittle mad that Presti and the front office because they didnt try and move up in 2015 draft and get Booker. I believe that was the little push that led him to at least think about leaving.

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[Dn4sty]

If Presti would have taken care of job #1 and kept kd then adding Horford to that the last few years would have been totally different. Likely back-to-back champions. If the reports are right about Russ recruiting Horford and that being somehow in place via a S&T involving Kanter then the team would have been in great shape even with Russ dropping off.

Russ/Felton
Roberson/Dipo
kd/Abrines
Horford/Grant? (Presti probably still trades for him or maybe he still trades for Taj and then resigns him)
Adams/Sabonis

That is a championship caliber team. However, I can't give Presti credit for something that didn't happen. I can also wonder if Presti didn't prevent it from happening by firing Brooks and hiring Donovan. By all accounts kd liked Brooks and never warmed up to Donovan.

Also KD has subtly said like 100 different things as to why he left. I don’t think that the Brooks/Donovan stuff even registers on the radar screen.

In the end GSW presented KD with a shortcut/easy way out to a title that was only available one time because of a stupid cap spike. It wouldn’t have mattered what happened from roster moves to coaches.

I don’t see how you can fault Presti for that. It was a no win situation.

I feel like Kd was alittle mad that Presti and the front office because they didnt try and move up in 2015 draft and get Booker. I believe that was the little push that led him to at least think about leaving.

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Is this actually something that someone said somewhere?

[Mattv]

Also KD has subtly said like 100 different things as to why he left. I don’t think that the Brooks/Donovan stuff even registers on the radar screen.

In the end GSW presented KD with a shortcut/easy way out to a title that was only available one time because of a stupid cap spike. It wouldn’t have mattered what happened from roster moves to coaches.

I don’t see how you can fault Presti for that. It was a no win situation.

I feel like Kd was alittle mad that Presti and the front office because they didnt try and move up in 2015 draft and get Booker. I believe that was the little push that led him to at least think about leaving.

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Is this actually something that someone said somewhere?

I have seen where Durant wanted Booker but I have never seen where anyone said there was a disconnect from Durant and the front office because they didnt try harder to get Booker. I just feel like with the Drama queen Durant is when he was making his decision he had in the back of his mind that he didnt get his way and he felt like he should have.

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[Dn4sty]

I feel like Kd was alittle mad that Presti and the front office because they didnt try and move up in 2015 draft and get Booker. I believe that was the little push that led him to at least think about leaving.

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Is this actually something that someone said somewhere?

I have seen where Durant wanted Booker but I have never seen where anyone said there was a disconnect from Durant and the front office because they didnt try harder to get Booker. I just feel like with the Drama queen Durant is when he was making his decision he had in the back of his mind that he didnt get his way and he felt like he should have.

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Gotcha. Thanks.

I feel like if it wouldn’t have been Booker it would have been “whatever” else to justify his decision. Booker just happened to be convenient.

[Mattv]

Is this actually something that someone said somewhere?

I have seen where Durant wanted Booker but I have never seen where anyone said there was a disconnect from Durant and the front office because they didnt try harder to get Booker. I just feel like with the Drama queen Durant is when he was making his decision he had in the back of his mind that he didnt get his way and he felt like he should have.

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Gotcha. Thanks.

I feel like if it wouldn’t have been Booker it would have been “whatever” else to justify his decision. Booker just happened to be convenient.

Oh no doubt I'm not saying that was the only thing everyone knows he went to Golden State because he chocked against them and it was a easy Championships. Everyone wants to blame it on Westbrook but Durant chocked just as much.

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[getrichordie]

What would you guys give up to get Bradley Beal assuming you keep Grant, Westbrook and George...


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[Kizz Fastfists]

What would you guys give up to get Bradley Beal assuming you keep Grant, Westbrook and George...

Grant would not be off limits for Beal. The only player I absolutely wouldn't move for Beal is PG. Adams would be the other player I wouldn't want to deal. I'd move Russ for Beal in an instant if that offer was on the table. I'd take Beal-PG-Adams and find another PG. Beal and Schroder, although In think OKC could trade for a better fitting PG given the positional depth to go with that trio, is better than Russ and Ferguson.

If they could get Teague, who is someone I expect to get moved at the deadline as Minny continues to slip out of the playoff race, that would could be a nice group. Beal is young enough they'd have some time to find the right pieces to make it work.

[Mattv]

What would you guys give up to get Bradley Beal assuming you keep Grant, Westbrook and George...

Grant would not be off limits for Beal. The only player I absolutely wouldn't move for Beal is PG. Adams would be the other player I wouldn't want to deal. I'd move Russ for Beal in an instant if that offer was on the table. I'd take Beal-PG-Adams and find another PG. Beal and Schroder, although In think OKC could trade for a better fitting PG given the positional depth to go with that trio, is better than Russ and Ferguson.

If they could get Teague, who is someone I expect to get moved at the deadline as Minny continues to slip out of the playoff race, that would could be a nice group. Beal is young enough they'd have some time to find the right pieces to make it work.

I know you are saying you would trade Westbrook but do you think Presti or any of the owners would to it? I dont Westbrook will be in Okc for life unless he ask to be traded.

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[Kizz Fastfists]

I know you are saying you would trade Westbrook but do you think Presti or any of the owners would to it? I dont Westbrook will be in Okc for life unless he ask to be traded.

I agree with that. Russ will be in OKC unless he says he wants out. However, if he says he wants out he'll be so far gone with his contract he'll have no trade value. He'll be in OKC for at least the length of this contract and will probably get the Dirk treatment where he is allowed to stay as long as he wants.

[ThunderBolt]

What would you guys give up to get Bradley Beal assuming you keep Grant, Westbrook and George...


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Nice to have a break from the same ole, same ole. This is one of those things that we really haven’t had any in depth discussion about.

Anyways, I would give up wine for the rest of the regular season. You?

[Pillendreher]

So apparently the Wizards still want to make the Playoffs even with Wall out (at least that's what was talked about over at the Wizards board, referencing David Aldridge articles at The Athletic). Let's give them some point guard help.

[getrichordie]

So apparently the Wizards still want to make the Playoffs even with Wall out (at least that's what was talked about over at the Wizards board, referencing David Aldridge articles at The Athletic). Let's give them some point guard help.

And down the rabbit hole we go... weeeee

I mentioned that the Wizards would be interested in Schroder when it was reported that Grunfeld was shopping his “big 3.”

Back when Wall had that game where I noticed he was limping heavily, I knew something was wrong with him, like seriously wrong with him and now he’s getting surgery.

One possibility I could see happening is Presti flipping Schroder to a Dallas who sends their Dennis to Washington... haven’t worked out all the details yet, though.

The Wizards playoff talk is just posturing, in my opinion, so that teams will make better offers to make Grunfeld change his mind and kickstart the rebuild at the deadline. Just makes no sense whatsoever for Washington to care about playoffs at this point...

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[Dn4sty]

So apparently the Wizards still want to make the Playoffs even with Wall out (at least that's what was talked about over at the Wizards board, referencing David Aldridge articles at The Athletic). Let's give them some point guard help.

And down the rabbit hole we go... weeeee

I mentioned that the Wizards would be interested in Schroder when it was reported that Grunfeld was shopping his “big 3.”

Back when Wall had that game where I noticed he was limping heavily, I knew something was wrong with him, like seriously wrong with him and now he’s getting surgery.

One possibility I could see happening is Presti flipping Schroder to a Dallas who sends their Dennis to Washington... haven’t worked out all the details yet, though.

The Wizards playoff talk is just posturing, in my opinion, so that teams will make better offers to make Grunfeld change his mind and kickstart the rebuild at the deadline. Just makes no sense whatsoever for Washington to care about playoffs at this point...

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Schroder is a bad fit with Doncic.

I think a far better tactic for Washington is to shed the $5 million or so that gets them under the tax (which should be super easy). Then put Beal and Porter on a 30 minutes a night max minute restriction. Then find out if Troy Brown and others can play.

Then tank for a big draft pick (Zion, Reddish, Barrett, etc...)

[getrichordie]

So apparently the Wizards still want to make the Playoffs even with Wall out (at least that's what was talked about over at the Wizards board, referencing David Aldridge articles at The Athletic). Let's give them some point guard help.

And down the rabbit hole we go... weeeee

I mentioned that the Wizards would be interested in Schroder when it was reported that Grunfeld was shopping his “big 3.”

Back when Wall had that game where I noticed he was limping heavily, I knew something was wrong with him, like seriously wrong with him and now he’s getting surgery.

One possibility I could see happening is Presti flipping Schroder to a Dallas who sends their Dennis to Washington... haven’t worked out all the details yet, though.

The Wizards playoff talk is just posturing, in my opinion, so that teams will make better offers to make Grunfeld change his mind and kickstart the rebuild at the deadline. Just makes no sense whatsoever for Washington to care about playoffs at this point...

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Schroder is a bad fit with Doncic.

I think a far better tactic for Washington is to shed the $5 million or so that gets them under the tax (which should be super easy). Then put Beal and Porter on a 30 minutes a night max minute restriction. Then find out if Troy Brown and others can play.

Then tank for a big draft pick (Zion, Reddish, Barrett, etc...)

We will agree to disagree. Washington’s best bet is to start the rebuild now. What does cutting tax and tanking accomplish? You are just delaying the inevitable and you are just killing your leverage... right now is the smartest time to trade Beal and Porter for expirings, young players, and picks, in my opinion.




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[acheema0]

And down the rabbit hole we go... weeeee

I mentioned that the Wizards would be interested in Schroder when it was reported that Grunfeld was shopping his “big 3.”

Back when Wall had that game where I noticed he was limping heavily, I knew something was wrong with him, like seriously wrong with him and now he’s getting surgery.

One possibility I could see happening is Presti flipping Schroder to a Dallas who sends their Dennis to Washington... haven’t worked out all the details yet, though.

The Wizards playoff talk is just posturing, in my opinion, so that teams will make better offers to make Grunfeld change his mind and kickstart the rebuild at the deadline. Just makes no sense whatsoever for Washington to care about playoffs at this point...

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Schroder is a bad fit with Doncic.

I think a far better tactic for Washington is to shed the $5 million or so that gets them under the tax (which should be super easy). Then put Beal and Porter on a 30 minutes a night max minute restriction. Then find out if Troy Brown and others can play.

Then tank for a big draft pick (Zion, Reddish, Barrett, etc...)

We will agree to disagree. Washington’s best bet is to start the rebuild now. What does cutting tax and tanking accomplish? You are just delaying the inevitable and you are just killing your leverage... right now is the smartest time to trade Beal and Porter for expirings, young players, and picks, in my opinion.


That makes sense if you're just chasing titles but not every teams goal is championship or bust. Washington's MO during the wall has been to give away picks for short-term rentals, for example the trade with the Nets for Bogdanovic for a first round pick, or when they traded a first for Markieff Morris. They have shown in the past that they value simply reaching the playoffs, and so I think the talk coming out that they are looking to make the playoffs makes sense and fits what they've shown




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[Kizz Fastfists]

We will agree to disagree. Washington’s best bet is to start the rebuild now. What does cutting tax and tanking accomplish? You are just delaying the inevitable and you are just killing your leverage... right now is the smartest time to trade Beal and Porter for expirings, young players, and picks, in my opinion.

Just like two years ago was the best time for OKC to start a rebuild. Washington is like OKC in that they want to make the playoffs every year. Championship is not on the agenda just make the playoffs. Even if Washington were to dump Porter for expiring contracts, picks, youth or whatever there is still no scenario where they are better off trading Beal at age 25. If Beal were 28 then they would be better off trading him, but they still have 5-6 years to put a team around Beal. A good comparison would be Memphis. Beal and Wall is similar to Conley and Gasol where Washington/Memphis will ride those duos as long as they can. Porter is overpaid, although healthy, but basically Chandler Parsons in terms of not giving them what they need for that salary. Memphis should rebuild, because Conley and Gasol are too old at this point, but they'll keep chasing the playoffs.