Jaylen Brown thread

[GuyClinch]

Dangerous times for C's - they have a too many cooks in the kitchen. This means guys like Rozier, Hayward, Brown will all under perform numbers wise - and if they are traded they will likely perform better.

[CelticsPride18]

Really good game by Brown last night. Probably his best game of the season. Anytime someone puts up 30 off the bench, that’s impressive.

We lost again, however that wasn’t on Jaylen. Horford, Hayward, Irving all had bad games. Brad lost control during the 3rd quarter that decided the game.

I have no issue giving props for when he plays well. I hope he has a lot more games like that because it becomes a win-win. Either builds up his trade value or becomes more valuable for the Celtics.

His best game was against the Bucks. He was terrible on defense vs the Spurs.

[LuckyLeprechaun]

Really good game by Brown last night. Probably his best game of the season. Anytime someone puts up 30 off the bench, that’s impressive.

We lost again, however that wasn’t on Jaylen. Horford, Hayward, Irving all had bad games. Brad lost control during the 3rd quarter that decided the game.

I have no issue giving props for when he plays well. I hope he has a lot more games like that because it becomes a win-win. Either builds up his trade value or becomes more valuable for the Celtics.

His best game was against the Bucks. He was terrible on defense vs the Spurs.

The whole team was terrible on D vs the Spurs and a large part of their hot 3rd quarter happened while the starters were out there. The guys who most went off for the Spurs weren't even his assignment. I'm really not buying the narrative that Jaylen is primarily responsible for our poor defensive performance that game.

[DaTruth34]

Really good game by Brown last night. Probably his best game of the season. Anytime someone puts up 30 off the bench, that’s impressive.

We lost again, however that wasn’t on Jaylen. Horford, Hayward, Irving all had bad games. Brad lost control during the 3rd quarter that decided the game.

I have no issue giving props for when he plays well. I hope he has a lot more games like that because it becomes a win-win. Either builds up his trade value or becomes more valuable for the Celtics.

His best game was against the Bucks. He was terrible on defense vs the Spurs.

The whole team was terrible on D vs the Spurs and a large part of their hot 3rd quarter happened while the starters were out there. The guys who most went off for the Spurs weren't even his assignment. I'm really not buying the narrative that Jaylen is primarily responsible for our poor defensive performance that game.

When starters play no D is a jaylen fault. Everything is a jaylen fault.

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[djFan71]

Really good game by Brown last night. Probably his best game of the season. Anytime someone puts up 30 off the bench, that’s impressive.

We lost again, however that wasn’t on Jaylen. Horford, Hayward, Irving all had bad games. Brad lost control during the 3rd quarter that decided the game.

I have no issue giving props for when he plays well. I hope he has a lot more games like that because it becomes a win-win. Either builds up his trade value or becomes more valuable for the Celtics.

His best game was against the Bucks. He was terrible on defense vs the Spurs.

The whole team was terrible on D vs the Spurs and a large part of their hot 3rd quarter happened while the starters were out there. The guys who most went off for the Spurs weren't even his assignment. I'm really not buying the narrative that Jaylen is primarily responsible for our poor defensive performance that game.

I went back and rewatched the game specifically looking for this. The starters definitely opened the floodgates - White was getting to the rim at will, LMA was scoring and Bertrans came in before Jaylen and hit a 3 or two. Jaylen didn't help right the ship any - was out of position on closing out on a couple 3s, and got beat on drives to the hoop by Forbes a few times. But, he was no worse than anyone else, and was probably better than at least half the guys. And when he did screw up, it wasn't a lazy effort like some said - it was overswitching or being in the wrong place. He's still a lot better at one on one on the ball D than he is at team D.

[Parliament10]

Put this in the game thread but a few commented on Jaylen's body language in it. Thought I would put it here too since well....this forum loves to analyze Jaylen lol.

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Brown laughing on the bench with one of the coaches. Embarrassing to see such poor body language on national TV.

Am I missing sarcasm?


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Some guy earlier in the thread said he didnt like Brown because he has "bad body language"

Alright. Game's over. Let's Debate.

I remember, back when I first came on RealGM. I made a post, about Shaq is gonna become a Celtic.
This was a year after he had made like $20 Million.

Back then, I didn't know about referencing sources and stuff.
So nobody believed it. To the point that the Mods locked the thread, as ridiculous.

Well, obviously, Shaq did become a Celtic that year.
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It's not so much about Brown's body language, on the court.
It's more what I've seen in looking at practice tapes, and so forth. And also some things that he's said.
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Now. If I told you, way back when, that Ray Allen wasn't thinking like a Celtic.
And that Rondo and Ray had issues, of not passing to each other in games.

And that Ray was pissed off that he was always coming up in Trade talks.
You would have thought that, calling Ray a non-Celtic, would have been nuts.

Of course, no one could have predicted the exact way that he left us.
But, it was obvious, to those paying attention; that Ray Allen didn't like it here, near the end.
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My point is, that from what I've seen, mostly off-court, I don't think that Brown belongs here.
And through the Test of Time, we'll see whether that's True, or not.


Edit:
And as far as "Body Language". Most parents will agree, that a Kid can act totally normal.
And yet, the parent can still know, that something is wrong.

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[fallguy]

I keep saying not to worry about Jaylen. He's a baby. He's figuring it out. The kid is good. New Orleans is going to love him.

[BostonCouchGM]

I keep saying not to worry about Jaylen. He's a baby. He's figuring it out. The kid is good. New Orleans is going to love him.

let's hope so. They'd be dumb enough to do that despite all the evidence he's nothing special. I'm afraid it would cost Tatum too but I'd gladly pay that price for one of the top 5 players in the game who hasn't reached his prime yet. He'd had to commit to a long term deal. A big three of Kyrie, Hayward, and AD sounds real good.

[Jaqua92]

Put this in the game thread but a few commented on Jaylen's body language in it. Thought I would put it here too since well....this forum loves to analyze Jaylen lol.

Watch on YouTube

Sorry to post this here. But I needed to bring this discussion over, from the game thread.

Am I missing sarcasm?


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Some guy earlier in the thread said he didnt like Brown because he has "bad body language"

Alright. Game's over. Let's Debate.

I remember, back when I first came on RealGM. I made a post, about Shaq is gonna become a Celtic.
This was a year after he had made like $20 Million.

Back then, I didn't know about referencing sources and stuff.
So nobody believed it. To the point that the Mods locked the thread, as ridiculous.

Well, obviously, Shaq did become a Celtic that year.
_____________________________________________________________________

It's not so much about Brown's body language, on the court.
It's more what I've seen in looking at practice tapes, and so forth. And also some things that he's said.
_____________________________________________________________________


Now. If I told you, way back when, that Ray Allen wasn't thinking like a Celtic.
And that Rondo and Ray had issues, of not passing to each other in games.

And that Ray was pissed off that he was always coming up in Trade talks.
You would have thought that, calling Ray a non-Celtic, would have been nuts.

Of course, no one could have predicted the exact way that he left us.
But, it was obvious, to those paying attention; that Ray Allen didn't like it here, near the end.
_____________________________________________________________________

My point is, that from what I've seen, mostly off-court, I don't think that Brown belongs here.
And through the Test of Time, we'll see whether that's True, or not.


Edit:
And as far as "Body Language". Most parents will agree, that a Kid can act totally normal.
And yet, the parent can still know, that something is wrong.

If people want to discredit observing body language, despite it's track record in disciplines where it is useful, that's fine. I understand completely how it can be underminded.

That said, I would assume his body language is a result of his place here but it could be from anything, don't know know for sure. Jaylen, being the intellectual that he is trying to be, very well could have thought himself into a mental funk opposed to it being directly basketball related. But if it changes as his gameplay improves, well, there's your positive correlation.

Also....quite the excessive use of commas man lol

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[Andrew McCeltic]

Looks like Smart gave Jaylen a nasty "joke" shove out of the way, Marcus and Kyrie are loose and really getting along. Everybody's a selfless pro, but I'm sure Marcus is happy to be starting, and having synergy with Kyrie. Wouldn't surprise me if there's a social dynamic where Jaylen is being excluded for not fitting in personality-wise. That stuff's not the end of the world - not everyone gets along, some players are closer than others - but when you're worried about your job and shot opportunities, it probably compounds.

[cloverleaf]

Dangerous times for C's - they have a too many cooks in the kitchen. This means guys like Rozier, Hayward, Brown will all under perform numbers wise - and if they are traded they will likely perform better.

JB actually underperformed in the same starter role, usage, and minutes as last year,. But with fewer minutes off the bench is coming around nicely now. Still not great, but a number of good games and definitely on the upswing.

Hayward likewise underperformed early in his comeback season against other starters. Now off the bench he too is doing better, and getting big minutes on his big nights.

Rozier is the guy who clearly does best in the starting lineup, and I suspect Tommy was onto something this week when he attributed it to playing with the better players with better chemistry in the starting lineup, and with a more clearly defined PG role. My guess is that Danny sees it that way too.

What's up for next year? Hard to tell whether Danny will have an opportunity to trade JT, JB and/or RW as part of a deal for AD, for example. How much will Williams come on by then and how long with Al stay in a starter role, presuming they're back. IIUC Morris and Rozier and Theis are players that could be signed back or sent off in a S&T, but not bundled into part of a multi-player package for Davis. So in a weird way it may be more likely that they are here next year, if the AD thing actually happens.

Of course there is the Kyrie/Terry question, so getting Kyrie pinned down first is a contingency that could drive how committed they are to Terry.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Absolutely Rozier does better with other good players - the better people execute, the more their ability keeps the defense loosened up, the easier it is to stick to your own routes.

[SmartWentCrazy]

I keep saying not to worry about Jaylen. He's a baby. He's figuring it out. The kid is good. New Orleans is going to love him.

Ive been pleasantly suprised by how well he’s rebounded since his initial demotion. He’s been amazing and this recovery shows a lot a out his character.

Very happy to eat my crow on this.

[Valid]

Dangerous times for C's - they have a too many cooks in the kitchen. This means guys like Rozier, Hayward, Brown will all under perform numbers wise - and if they are traded they will likely perform better.

JB actually underperformed in the same starter role, usage, and minutes as last year,. But with fewer minutes off the bench is coming around nicely now. Still not great, but a number of good games and definitely on the upswing.

Hayward likewise underperformed early in his comeback season against other starters. Now off the bench he too is doing better, and getting big minutes on his big nights.

Rozier is the guy who clearly does best in the starting lineup, and I suspect Tommy was onto something this week when he attributed it to playing with the better players with better chemistry in the starting lineup, and with a more clearly defined PG role. My guess is that Danny sees it that way too.

What's up for next year? Hard to tell whether Danny will have an opportunity to trade JT, JB and/or RW as part of a deal for AD, for example. How much will Williams come on by then and how long with Al stay in a starter role, presuming they're back. IIUC Morris and Rozier and Theis are players that could be signed back or sent off in a S&T, but not bundled into part of a multi-player package for Davis. So in a weird way it may be more likely that they are here next year, if the AD thing actually happens.

Of course there is the Kyrie/Terry question, so getting Kyrie pinned down first is a contingency that could drive how committed they are to Terry.

There is no Kyrie/Terry question. The fact that you are still beating this drum where you think there is some legitimate debate as to who we keep long term is ludicrous. Kyrie is getting re-signed. It will then just come down to how much Rozier is offered by another team in FA. If Ainge thinks it's feasible, he'll match. If not, Rozier is gone. It's that simple.

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[ballup]

Put this in the game thread but a few commented on Jaylen's body language in it. Thought I would put it here too since well....this forum loves to analyze Jaylen lol.

Watch on YouTube

Sorry to post this here. But I needed to bring this discussion over, from the game thread.

Am I missing sarcasm?


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Some guy earlier in the thread said he didnt like Brown because he has "bad body language"

Alright. Game's over. Let's Debate.

I remember, back when I first came on RealGM. I made a post, about Shaq is gonna become a Celtic.
This was a year after he had made like $20 Million.

Back then, I didn't know about referencing sources and stuff.
So nobody believed it. To the point that the Mods locked the thread, as ridiculous.

Well, obviously, Shaq did become a Celtic that year.
_____________________________________________________________________

It's not so much about Brown's body language, on the court.
It's more what I've seen in looking at practice tapes, and so forth. And also some things that he's said.
_____________________________________________________________________


Now. If I told you, way back when, that Ray Allen wasn't thinking like a Celtic.
And that Rondo and Ray had issues, of not passing to each other in games.

And that Ray was pissed off that he was always coming up in Trade talks.
You would have thought that, calling Ray a non-Celtic, would have been nuts.

Of course, no one could have predicted the exact way that he left us.
But, it was obvious, to those paying attention; that Ray Allen didn't like it here, near the end.
_____________________________________________________________________

My point is, that from what I've seen, mostly off-court, I don't think that Brown belongs here.
And through the Test of Time, we'll see whether that's True, or not.


Edit:
And as far as "Body Language". Most parents will agree, that a Kid can act totally normal.
And yet, the parent can still know, that something is wrong.

This is what bad body language is to you? Not everyone is a silly guy or are only silly in certain situations. You're not going to feel great if the worst shooter on the team beats you in a shooting and you've played shot terribly to start off the season. Hell, a lot of people, even coaches, thought early Brandon Roy wasn't putting effort on his drives to the rim. Shows how badly people can miss on intentions.

Oh for sure parents can tell body language of their kids. I've been in so many situations when my mom would ask if I was depressed or in depresssion, but only for it to be my neutral face. And you know what reinforced that doubt? She would ask me if my sibling was depressed or if my dad was depressed.

Some people are good at reading body language, but the evidence in both situations leads me to believe neither accuser is adept at it.

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[mdemers938]

He’s been awesome since December IMO, with one or two bad games - but has been better than Tatum in that span IMO. Quite a few 20+ point games, doesn’t seem to be forcing it.

Shooting much better, has realized he can blow by anyone on the drive.

Still think he’s getting blown by on D on switches though, smaller guards especially. He’s been awesome on big man switches though.

The hate here is ridiculous. He’s rounding back into form nicely, would almost recommend getting him back in the starting 5.

[cloverleaf]

Dangerous times for C's - they have a too many cooks in the kitchen. This means guys like Rozier, Hayward, Brown will all under perform numbers wise - and if they are traded they will likely perform better.

JB actually underperformed in the same starter role, usage, and minutes as last year,. But with fewer minutes off the bench is coming around nicely now. Still not great, but a number of good games and definitely on the upswing.

Hayward likewise underperformed early in his comeback season against other starters. Now off the bench he too is doing better, and getting big minutes on his big nights.

Rozier is the guy who clearly does best in the starting lineup, and I suspect Tommy was onto something this week when he attributed it to playing with the better players with better chemistry in the starting lineup, and with a more clearly defined PG role. My guess is that Danny sees it that way too.

What's up for next year? Hard to tell whether Danny will have an opportunity to trade JT, JB and/or RW as part of a deal for AD, for example. How much will Williams come on by then and how long with Al stay in a starter role, presuming they're back. IIUC Morris and Rozier and Theis are players that could be signed back or sent off in a S&T, but not bundled into part of a multi-player package for Davis. So in a weird way it may be more likely that they are here next year, if the AD thing actually happens.

Of course there is the Kyrie/Terry question, so getting Kyrie pinned down first is a contingency that could drive how committed they are to Terry.

There is no Kyrie/Terry question. The fact that you are still beating this drum where you think there is some legitimate debate as to who we keep long term is ludicrous. Kyrie is getting re-signed. It will then just come down to how much Rozier is offered by another team in FA. If Ainge thinks it's feasible, he'll match. If not, Rozier is gone. It's that simple.

I haven't in the least suggested that there is. The question is whether and how much they pay to keep Terry behind Kyrie, presuming Kyrie re-signs. And until Kyrie re-signs--his choice based on how he feels at the time, that is not a definite. I haven't been beating some drum based on your apparently limited reading comprehension.

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Very good.