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LV-Suns · Post #1301 » by **LV-Suns** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 7:04 pm

I might be on the boat alone on this, I would do a Booker for Beal swap.

BobbieL · Post #1302 » by **BobbieL** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 7:09 pm

I thought the team had turned the corner after the East Coast trip. That just how bad the Eastern Conference is.

I would like a PG that can help the team but I am not sure thats happening.

I am open to trading a lot though
The Bucks pick
Suns 2019 with protection
Suins 2019 SEcond rounder
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NapoleonII · Post #1303 » by **NapoleonII** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 7:26 pm

LV-Suns wrote:I might be on the boat alone on this, I would do a Booker for Beal swap.

Booker has been pissing me off the most this year, but you gotta look at the age of his teammates. TJ Warren is the only other veteran player who's had a huge impact. Crawford is a high character guy, but he should have retired 1-2 years ago. Ryan Anderson is a corpse. We're playing rookies and G leaguers with our core. This can be fixed with smart GMIng (or at least anyone who isn't Mcdumb)

Trading Booker (whose stats have been similar or better than Hardens year by year at his age) would be a huge, huge mistake.

Saberestar · Post #1304 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 7:37 pm

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TOO · Post #1305 » by **TOO** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 7:53 pm

LV-Suns wrote:I might be on the boat alone on this, I would do a Booker for Beal swap.

You are alone one this.

Lateral move at best.

Saberestar · Post #1306 » by **Saberestar** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 8:04 pm

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LukasBMW · Post #1307 » by **LukasBMW** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 8:40 pm

-The last 4 games prove that we are not even close to competing in the west.
-We only looked decent against eastern lottery teams.
-We're off to the worst start in franchise history.

All that said, this year is a HUGE improvement over last year as far as the eye test. Every game, I see some major things to get excited about. Booker/TJ/Ayton are legit. Ayton could be really special. We also have some solid role players either on rookie contracts or guys we should be able to keep for reasonable money - Bridges/Holmes/Oubre. Okobo/Melton/JJ are still projects but all are worth keeping.

When you factor in our tough early schedule, the Booker injury, the new coach/system, the front office drama, and the lack of a PG, this season was doomed...BUT if we end up getting a top pick to either use on a guy like Zion or trade for an established player that helps us turn the corner, we may look back on this season as the year we "got lucky" with bad luck as it helped us land that final piece we need. Kinda like when Philly added Simmons to their talented roster.

Regardless, I actually enjoy watching this team now. We've got a lot to look forward to! (Now if only Sarver could get hit by a bus).

TeamTragic · Post #1308 » by **TeamTragic** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:13 pm

Wizards want two players and two picks for Beal. Jones should be making an offer centered around Jackson/2019 1st (top 3 protected)/filler.

Post #1309 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:19 pm

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It's pretty crazy how vested Crawford seems to be so quickly. You have to like that. I hope he retires and becomes an assistant coach or something.

Ayton doesn't look too excited. I'd love to hear his feelings on last night.

Post #1310 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:24 pm

handsome salary wrote:Let's say by the end of the season all the speculation of Point Booker supposedly freezing out Ayton is correct and they can't coexist as a winning unit. Who would you keep and why would you look to trade the other one?

I couldn't say at this moment either one is the definitive future of winning basketball here. It's a tough call but I'd pick Ayton. I think more players around the league would be able to bring the stats Booker does if given such a green light here to be the "man". God knows they couldn't contribute to many more losses.

I was thinking about this last night. I don't know. I'd need more insight on what is going on and probably trade value, etc. I do think it is going to be VERY hard to build a winning team around both of them without big improvements in parts of their games...now with Ayton that's fine being that he's a rookie and improvement is expected.

And with Booker that's fine too as improvement is expected, and he has improved, but I really hope there is some big improvement on defense, even just to get to close to neutral.

Post #1311 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:26 pm

LV-Suns wrote:I might be on the boat alone on this, I would do a Booker for Beal swap.

It's funny I almost asked this last night too. I don't know...tough one. They are near identical on offense..Booker the better passer but that is in part to not playing with Wall...but Beal the better defender. Booker 3 years younger though.

Post #1312 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:29 pm

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As much as I hate him we should sign Bill Laimbeer as our 3rd big. And then..like a PG version of Matt Barnes...though I guess we could have had Rivers..

Just some guys who can play dirty and pick up all the fouls. I have always hated playing dirty but yes, we definitely need that edge.

I always wished Ayton had it...if he did I think he'd be a much different and more impactful player.

Post #1313 » by **bwgood77** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:31 pm

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Well they seem to be in good spirits.

NTB · Post #1314 » by **NTB** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:34 pm

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WeekapaugGroove · Post #1315 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:37 pm

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As much as I hate him we should sign Bill Laimbeer as our 3rd big. And then..like a PG version of Matt Barnes...though I guess we could have had Rivers..

Just some guys who can play dirty and pick up all the fouls. I have always hated playing dirty but yes, we definitely need that edge.

I always wished Ayton had it...if he did I think he'd be a much different and more impactful player.

Booker Ayton and Warren should take this as a slight because their GM is calling them soft and he's not wrong. They are the three best players and they need to set the tone with effort.

This is where Josh Jackson being bad at basketball really hurts because I think he has a natural toughness to him but when you are literally the worst offensive player in the NBA that cancels out the benefit of the toughness he brings.

It's fair to ask if mcd should have factored the need for an ultra competitor into this years draft decision because Luka would have brought that in spades.

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YouTube · Post #1316 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 9:49 pm

NBAmath just released their "inaugural Player Power Rankings, using our Rolling Player Ratings tool that adjusts average Game Score over a player's last 10 appearances by the difficulty of the schedule". Pretty interesting stuff here.

Looks like Ayton is above Doncic damn near the entire time, with his highs being much higher, including as of late.

https://nbamath.com/rolling-player-ratings/

According to their own tweet, Doncic is currently the #21 player.....while Ayton is the #14!

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Have to click on it and see the responses where they breakdown the orders.

**BONUS** Booker at #11 (JUST ABOVE CURRY!)

YouTube · Post #1317 » by **Kerrsed** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 10:23 pm

Looks like Ayton wants us to go after Rubio!

Damkac · Post #1318 » by **Damkac** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 10:46 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
handsome salary wrote:Let's say by the end of the season all the speculation of Point Booker supposedly freezing out Ayton is correct and they can't coexist as a winning unit. Who would you keep and why would you look to trade the other one?

I couldn't say at this moment either one is the definitive future of winning basketball here. It's a tough call but I'd pick Ayton. I think more players around the league would be able to bring the stats Booker does if given such a green light here to be the "man". God knows they couldn't contribute to many more losses.

I was thinking about this last night. I don't know. I'd need more insight on what is going on and probably trade value, etc. I do think it is going to be VERY hard to build a winning team around both of them without big improvements in parts of their games...now with Ayton that's fine being that he's a rookie and improvement is expected.

And with Booker that's fine too as improvement is expected, and he has improved, but I really hope there is some big improvement on defense, even just to get to close to neutral.

Just bring a starting level PG and let Booker play like a SG. No need to trade any of them. Booker playing off the ball more could improve his shooting % and maybe spend a bit less energy on offense that he could use on defense.
If possible get a PF too. I'm big Warren's fan but ideally starting 5 next season should be PG-Booker-Bridges-PF-Ayton, with new PG and PF bringing defense and shooting and Warren as 6th man. Less ideally Suns just get PG and still start Warren at PF. He would need to improve his rebounding then.

NTB · Post #1319 » by **NTB** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 10:48 pm

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Post #1320 » by **lilfishi22** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 10:50 pm

handsome salary wrote:Let's say by the end of the season all the speculation of Point Booker supposedly freezing out Ayton is correct and they can't coexist as a winning unit. Who would you keep and why would you look to trade the other one?

I couldn't say at this moment either one is the definitive future of winning basketball here. It's a tough call but I'd pick Ayton. I think more players around the league would be able to bring the stats Booker does if given such a green light here to be the "man". God knows they couldn't contribute to many more losses.

Before we even consider trades, I'd run down every possible solution first. Including making Ayton the primary initiator, add PG's to distribute the ball effectively and fairly, create more plays that involves a two-men game in Ayton/Booker or least try and figure out what are the factors behind Booker freezing Ayton out.

If we have to move on guy, then it's already a monumental front office management failure

You can only keep two, who will it be going forward if they could all net the same in trade?