All Elite Wrestling - Discussion

[improper]

Yeah, I don't think I'd say Almas has a bad look at all. He's in good shape and he's reasonably good looking. He's just not tall.

[Scott Hall]

I agree, i'd rather they sign WWE's more underutilised guys though (i.e. Sami Zayn, Rusev, Cesaro, Almas), guys we know have everything you need to be legit main eventers but Vince and Dunn has some meaningless gripe with them. It would be more like signing a bunch of Christian Cage's for TNA rather than a bunch of elderly Ric Flair's or Hulk Hogan's, if that makes sense.

I disagree about those guys except for possibly Rusev... I think they all have big glaring flaws. Sami Zayn has one of
the worst looks on the roster and has durability issues and possibly attitude problems. He's good on the mic and good
in the ring and once he turned heel and joined Owens I thought he was used right outside of that corny program with
Lashley.

Cesaro doesn't have good mic skills or a great look but he's a great worker. The Bar is one of the best tag-teams in the
company but as a singles wrestler I wouldn't be interested in watching him as a main event guy.

Almas can barely speak English and also doesn't have a great look. How many guys in the business are actually good
in ring wrestlers but can't talk or look great seem to be a dime a dozen. Still him and Zelina have been a good package
and he's been in some high profile matches on Smackdown its just the roster is to big and he can't get regular TV time.

And one thing about Rusev is I really didn't like his promo this week it borderline sucked. I haven't seen him improve
his body or get better in the ring. Seems to have gotten complacent maybe because he can't get over with Vince.

AEW is almost guaranteed to be leaning more on the sports aspect than entertainment (and certainly less variety show than Vince likes it).

Zayn is a legit main eventer and one of the most talented guy on the roster. Fantastic wrestler and yes, he is hands on and demanding on his matches, but that isn't a bad thing. He should be well above the mid card given the guys on raw that get pushes (i mean he is on the same level as Rollins at least). Also that corny Lashley storyline shouldn't be understated, it killed both men involved.

Almas doesn't have a good look, have you seen the guy, its like one of his most defining features, sure he's small but again, won't be an issue in AEW, also he's a big star outside the WWE as La Sombra (he came in as one of the biggest names from Mexico and CMLL and was the leader of one of the most famous factions in Los Ingorbernables). Again, talking won't be an issue because i doubt they'd be stupid enough to not have him have a valet or manager.

Cesaro can't talk but he is super talented and strong in the ring, again, a good valet/manager fixes that immediately.

Everyone in WWE gets complacent and that's the issue, because of that geriatric, everyone gives up and just coasts and it shows in basically everyones work.

Their is rarely a case where people from NXT have better matches on the main roster unless your name is Seth Rollins, AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan. Other than those three, they're either not given the chance or simply just coast.

If those names left and went to AEW, I'd guarantee they'd show way more than at any time in WWE really since, apart from Rusev, they already have shown more (and Rusev has the tools that would make him successful, then again so did Ryback, but then again i don't think Rusev is nearly as dumb as Ryback).

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

[jakecronus8]

I disagree about those guys except for possibly Rusev... I think they all have big glaring flaws. Sami Zayn has one of
the worst looks on the roster and has durability issues and possibly attitude problems. He's good on the mic and good
in the ring and once he turned heel and joined Owens I thought he was used right outside of that corny program with
Lashley.

Cesaro doesn't have good mic skills or a great look but he's a great worker. The Bar is one of the best tag-teams in the
company but as a singles wrestler I wouldn't be interested in watching him as a main event guy.

Almas can barely speak English and also doesn't have a great look. How many guys in the business are actually good
in ring wrestlers but can't talk or look great seem to be a dime a dozen. Still him and Zelina have been a good package
and he's been in some high profile matches on Smackdown its just the roster is to big and he can't get regular TV time.

And one thing about Rusev is I really didn't like his promo this week it borderline sucked. I haven't seen him improve
his body or get better in the ring. Seems to have gotten complacent maybe because he can't get over with Vince.

AEW is almost guaranteed to be leaning more on the sports aspect than entertainment (and certainly less variety show than Vince likes it).

Zayn is a legit main eventer and one of the most talented guy on the roster. Fantastic wrestler and yes, he is hands on and demanding on his matches, but that isn't a bad thing. He should be well above the mid card given the guys on raw that get pushes (i mean he is on the same level as Rollins at least). Also that corny Lashley storyline shouldn't be understated, it killed both men involved.

Almas doesn't have a good look, have you seen the guy, its like one of his most defining features, sure he's small but again, won't be an issue in AEW, also he's a big star outside the WWE as La Sombra (he came in as one of the biggest names from Mexico and CMLL and was the leader of one of the most famous factions in Los Ingorbernables). Again, talking won't be an issue because i doubt they'd be stupid enough to not have him have a valet or manager.

Cesaro can't talk but he is super talented and strong in the ring, again, a good valet/manager fixes that immediately.

Everyone in WWE gets complacent and that's the issue, because of that geriatric, everyone gives up and just coasts and it shows in basically everyones work.

Their is rarely a case where people from NXT have better matches on the main roster unless your name is Seth Rollins, AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan. Other than those three, they're either not given the chance or simply just coast.

If those names left and went to AEW, I'd guarantee they'd show way more than at any time in WWE really since, apart from Rusev, they already have shown more (and Rusev has the tools that would make him successful, then again so did Ryback, but then again i don't think Rusev is nearly as dumb as Ryback).

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

I think you're selling all three guys short, particularly Zayn. As workers, they are just as good if not better than that whole roster you listed, and have the advantage of performing on the big stage. Even if Omega is "the" guy, he still needs opponents to work. A guy like Zayn is as perfect a fit as it gets as a baby face.

[Scott Hall]

AEW is almost guaranteed to be leaning more on the sports aspect than entertainment (and certainly less variety show than Vince likes it).

Zayn is a legit main eventer and one of the most talented guy on the roster. Fantastic wrestler and yes, he is hands on and demanding on his matches, but that isn't a bad thing. He should be well above the mid card given the guys on raw that get pushes (i mean he is on the same level as Rollins at least). Also that corny Lashley storyline shouldn't be understated, it killed both men involved.

Almas doesn't have a good look, have you seen the guy, its like one of his most defining features, sure he's small but again, won't be an issue in AEW, also he's a big star outside the WWE as La Sombra (he came in as one of the biggest names from Mexico and CMLL and was the leader of one of the most famous factions in Los Ingorbernables). Again, talking won't be an issue because i doubt they'd be stupid enough to not have him have a valet or manager.

Cesaro can't talk but he is super talented and strong in the ring, again, a good valet/manager fixes that immediately.

Everyone in WWE gets complacent and that's the issue, because of that geriatric, everyone gives up and just coasts and it shows in basically everyones work.

Their is rarely a case where people from NXT have better matches on the main roster unless your name is Seth Rollins, AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan. Other than those three, they're either not given the chance or simply just coast.

If those names left and went to AEW, I'd guarantee they'd show way more than at any time in WWE really since, apart from Rusev, they already have shown more (and Rusev has the tools that would make him successful, then again so did Ryback, but then again i don't think Rusev is nearly as dumb as Ryback).

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

I think you're selling all three guys short, particularly Zayn. As workers, they are just as good if not better than that whole roster you listed, and have the advantage of performing on the big stage. Even if Omega is "the" guy, he still needs opponents to work. A guy like Zayn is as perfect a fit as it gets as a baby face.

I mean Zayn was in a high profile tag match at WM against Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon and was feuding with
Lashley who's an upper card guy. Outside of a championship run there isn't much higher he can get.

If he goes to AEW and say Omega is champion and having a long feud with someone Zayn will pretty much be
in the same spot he is in the WWE which is mid to upper card.

I don't think that a lot of these guys are not getting a fair shake there's just a lot of talent out there and it's deep waters.
You could make the case for dozens of guys who could be in higher spots or "the" guy.

Zayn is a good wrestler and a good talker he's just gotta change up his awful look and work on his body especially
for durability issues. He's gotta ditch the hipster hat and jacket and get cooler ring gear. Get a catch phrase or slogan
and find away to sell some merch to make the Sami Zayn brand feel cool. Also if he goes to AEW he won't have his theme
song anymore so he won't have people singing along to it.

[Spens1]

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

I think you're selling all three guys short, particularly Zayn. As workers, they are just as good if not better than that whole roster you listed, and have the advantage of performing on the big stage. Even if Omega is "the" guy, he still needs opponents to work. A guy like Zayn is as perfect a fit as it gets as a baby face.

I mean Zayn was in a high profile tag match at WM against Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon and was feuding with
Lashley who's an upper card guy. Outside of a championship run there isn't much higher he can get.

If he goes to AEW and say Omega is champion and having a long feud with someone Zayn will pretty much be
in the same spot he is in the WWE which is mid to upper card.

I don't think that a lot of these guys are not getting a fair shake there's just a lot of talent out there and it's deep waters.
You could make the case for dozens of guys who could be in higher spots or "the" guy.

Zayn is a good wrestler and a good talker he's just gotta change up his awful look and work on his body especially
for durability issues. He's gotta ditch the hipster hat and jacket and get cooler ring gear. Get a catch phrase or slogan
and find away to sell some merch to make the Sami Zayn brand feel cool. Also if he goes to AEW he won't have his theme
song anymore so he won't have people singing along to it.

and he lost, its all well and good to get the match but he lost to a very part time shane mcmahon and daniel bryan who barely returned. Realistically the heels should have won that match to establish them.

Zayn would be a main event guy if he goes to AEW which WWE refuse to do (and he really should be a main eventer given their talent pool, i mean look at who is getting pushed as main eventers, Zayn is as good as them and some of them he's better across the board). Also Omega will need a good guy to go against and Zayn is exactly that. It sure ain't going to be Cody that's for sure.

Sami Zayn already has a better theme on the independent scene anyway which he could easily use, so that's fine.

He's easily a top 5 guy in WWE who for some reason is being treated like a mid carder because i'm not convinced Vince knows talent anymore.

[Spens1]

I disagree about those guys except for possibly Rusev... I think they all have big glaring flaws. Sami Zayn has one of
the worst looks on the roster and has durability issues and possibly attitude problems. He's good on the mic and good
in the ring and once he turned heel and joined Owens I thought he was used right outside of that corny program with
Lashley.

Cesaro doesn't have good mic skills or a great look but he's a great worker. The Bar is one of the best tag-teams in the
company but as a singles wrestler I wouldn't be interested in watching him as a main event guy.

Almas can barely speak English and also doesn't have a great look. How many guys in the business are actually good
in ring wrestlers but can't talk or look great seem to be a dime a dozen. Still him and Zelina have been a good package
and he's been in some high profile matches on Smackdown its just the roster is to big and he can't get regular TV time.

And one thing about Rusev is I really didn't like his promo this week it borderline sucked. I haven't seen him improve
his body or get better in the ring. Seems to have gotten complacent maybe because he can't get over with Vince.

AEW is almost guaranteed to be leaning more on the sports aspect than entertainment (and certainly less variety show than Vince likes it).

Zayn is a legit main eventer and one of the most talented guy on the roster. Fantastic wrestler and yes, he is hands on and demanding on his matches, but that isn't a bad thing. He should be well above the mid card given the guys on raw that get pushes (i mean he is on the same level as Rollins at least). Also that corny Lashley storyline shouldn't be understated, it killed both men involved.

Almas doesn't have a good look, have you seen the guy, its like one of his most defining features, sure he's small but again, won't be an issue in AEW, also he's a big star outside the WWE as La Sombra (he came in as one of the biggest names from Mexico and CMLL and was the leader of one of the most famous factions in Los Ingorbernables). Again, talking won't be an issue because i doubt they'd be stupid enough to not have him have a valet or manager.

Cesaro can't talk but he is super talented and strong in the ring, again, a good valet/manager fixes that immediately.

Everyone in WWE gets complacent and that's the issue, because of that geriatric, everyone gives up and just coasts and it shows in basically everyones work.

Their is rarely a case where people from NXT have better matches on the main roster unless your name is Seth Rollins, AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan. Other than those three, they're either not given the chance or simply just coast.

If those names left and went to AEW, I'd guarantee they'd show way more than at any time in WWE really since, apart from Rusev, they already have shown more (and Rusev has the tools that would make him successful, then again so did Ryback, but then again i don't think Rusev is nearly as dumb as Ryback).

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

Zayn - Main event and probably #2
Cesaro - Probably upper mid card to main event in his own right
Almas - Ditto (Probably also doing CMLL and New Japan also where he'd get booked strong, he'd be on similar standing to Pentagon Jr and Fenix). Don't mistake WWE not knowing how to book Latin talent as Almas being a mid carder, guy was brought in to be the next Eddie Guerrero.

Today's WWE guys aren't breaking away because the booking absolutely horrible and they don't know how to book anyone, i think its glaringly obvious how bad the booking is and anyone who gets over is often in spite of Vince.

The reason the main roster doesn't have great matches is because its mostly overbooked and that has to do with road agents.

The main difference you're ignoring is, AEW most likely will have at least above average booking, instead of WWE's horrendous mismanagement, which would put all of those guys in better stead.

[Scott Hall]

I think you're selling all three guys short, particularly Zayn. As workers, they are just as good if not better than that whole roster you listed, and have the advantage of performing on the big stage. Even if Omega is "the" guy, he still needs opponents to work. A guy like Zayn is as perfect a fit as it gets as a baby face.

I mean Zayn was in a high profile tag match at WM against Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon and was feuding with
Lashley who's an upper card guy. Outside of a championship run there isn't much higher he can get.

If he goes to AEW and say Omega is champion and having a long feud with someone Zayn will pretty much be
in the same spot he is in the WWE which is mid to upper card.

I don't think that a lot of these guys are not getting a fair shake there's just a lot of talent out there and it's deep waters.
You could make the case for dozens of guys who could be in higher spots or "the" guy.

Zayn is a good wrestler and a good talker he's just gotta change up his awful look and work on his body especially
for durability issues. He's gotta ditch the hipster hat and jacket and get cooler ring gear. Get a catch phrase or slogan
and find away to sell some merch to make the Sami Zayn brand feel cool. Also if he goes to AEW he won't have his theme
song anymore so he won't have people singing along to it.

and he lost, its all well and good to get the match but he lost to a very part time shane mcmahon and daniel bryan who barely returned. Realistically the heels should have won that match to establish them.

Zayn would be a main event guy if he goes to AEW which WWE refuse to do (and he really should be a main eventer given their talent pool, i mean look at who is getting pushed as main eventers, Zayn is as good as them and some of them he's better across the board). Also Omega will need a good guy to go against and Zayn is exactly that. It sure ain't going to be Cody that's for sure.

Sami Zayn already has a better theme on the independent scene anyway which he could easily use, so that's fine.

He's easily a top 5 guy in WWE who for some reason is being treated like a mid carder because i'm not convinced Vince knows talent anymore.

It was Daniel Bryans return match after a miraculous comeback where everyone thought he was done for good. It doesn't
really matter who won the fact that Zayn was in a high profile match like that at WM is a good thing for him and raises
his stock. Since they turned him heel and put him with Owens he was on the right track and they were giving him a push.
They are also promoting his return from injury likes its a big deal and it's still to early.

I know you're super high on Sami but there is some red flags with him.... He got injured and blew out his shoulder
the first night he got called up and was gonna face Cena during his entrance. He got sent home along with KO from
a European tour for unprofessional conduct and now he's injured with 2 blown shoulders. Also like I've said he looks
like a "job" guy and probably has a bottom 5 worst look in the company.

If the card of what All In was is any indication of what the AEW roster will eventually look like I don't see Omega
(if he ends up signing there) having any trouble finding quality opponents.

[Scott Hall]

AEW is almost guaranteed to be leaning more on the sports aspect than entertainment (and certainly less variety show than Vince likes it).

Zayn is a legit main eventer and one of the most talented guy on the roster. Fantastic wrestler and yes, he is hands on and demanding on his matches, but that isn't a bad thing. He should be well above the mid card given the guys on raw that get pushes (i mean he is on the same level as Rollins at least). Also that corny Lashley storyline shouldn't be understated, it killed both men involved.

Almas doesn't have a good look, have you seen the guy, its like one of his most defining features, sure he's small but again, won't be an issue in AEW, also he's a big star outside the WWE as La Sombra (he came in as one of the biggest names from Mexico and CMLL and was the leader of one of the most famous factions in Los Ingorbernables). Again, talking won't be an issue because i doubt they'd be stupid enough to not have him have a valet or manager.

Cesaro can't talk but he is super talented and strong in the ring, again, a good valet/manager fixes that immediately.

Everyone in WWE gets complacent and that's the issue, because of that geriatric, everyone gives up and just coasts and it shows in basically everyones work.

Their is rarely a case where people from NXT have better matches on the main roster unless your name is Seth Rollins, AJ Styles or Daniel Bryan. Other than those three, they're either not given the chance or simply just coast.

If those names left and went to AEW, I'd guarantee they'd show way more than at any time in WWE really since, apart from Rusev, they already have shown more (and Rusev has the tools that would make him successful, then again so did Ryback, but then again i don't think Rusev is nearly as dumb as Ryback).

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

Zayn - Main event and probably #2
Cesaro - Probably upper mid card to main event in his own right
Almas - Ditto (Probably also doing CMLL and New Japan also where he'd get booked strong, he'd be on similar standing to Pentagon Jr and Fenix). Don't mistake WWE not knowing how to book Latin talent as Almas being a mid carder, guy was brought in to be the next Eddie Guerrero.

Today's WWE guys aren't breaking away because the booking absolutely horrible and they don't know how to book anyone, i think its glaringly obvious how bad the booking is and anyone who gets over is often in spite of Vince.

The reason the main roster doesn't have great matches is because its mostly overbooked and that has to do with road agents.

The main difference you're ignoring is, AEW most likely will have at least above average booking, instead of WWE's horrendous mismanagement, which would put all of those guys in better stead.

I think you're waaaaaay jumping the gun on Almas. He's been on the main roster like what 6 months? What were the
expectations of him coming in? Since he's been called up he's been in quite a few big matches on Smackdown. WWE
angles and feuds are usually planned out 2-3 months in advance so were you expecting Almas to become champ and
main event the show right off the bat?

I'm one of WWE's biggest critics when it comes to their booking and who they push but I think sometimes they get
unfairly criticized for not pushing NXT call ups and making them main eventers right away. I think the real problem is
when they call a lot of them up they get jobbed or forgotten about and the audience loses interest in them. Almas is
not one of those guys.

Also Almas should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Eddie Guerrero...

It remains to be seen how AEW is gonna operate. For all we know they could be the next XFL going up against the NFL.
There is no Leader there it's a bunch of main event guys and their friends running a promotion politics are gonna
be running rampant.

[Spens1]

Ok so hypothetically speaking say AEW has a roster or nucleus of the following guys...

Kenny Omega
Cody
Young Bucks
Jericho
Marty Scurll
Austin Aries
Pentagon Jr.
Fenix
Okada (if NJPW has a working relationship with them)
Brian Cage
Moose
Sami Callahan
Eddie Edwards
Dalton Castle
Jay Lethal

Where does Zayn, Cesaro and Almas fit into that equation?

There is gonna be a massive bidding war for Kenny Omega and if AEW lands him and outbids WWE then he's
gonna be the guy the promotion builds around and is gonna be champ and in the main event spot predominantly.

AEW can be different from WWE and eliminate the McMahon corniness but the formula of what makes a good wrestler
is still the same (Work rate, mic skills, look).

You throw Zayn, Almas and Cesaro into that roster and I see them in the exact same spot as they are in WWE mid
to upper card guys. Todays guys are the best workers we've ever seen but nobody is breaking away from the pack
because they all have the same similar flaws.

Almas to me has a nerdy hair cut, plain ring gear and average body for a wrestler. He's not a guy you put on the truck
or who's toy would intrigue a kid or face you'd sell magazines.

I believe one of the big reasons why the main roster doesn't have great matches anymore is because the WWE schedule
is so hectic and there is so many injuries the agents and management want them to tone it down. The TLC matches and
the HIAC matches and stuff now a days are so toned down from what they were in the past. It's probably why they feature
Shane in so many of them because he can take the big bumps and take time off TV.

So if you're a great worker going to a "potential" roster that's full of great workers what are you gonna do to stand out?
Especially since there's only so much cake to go around and if Omega ends up there he will be the "guy".

Zayn - Main event and probably #2
Cesaro - Probably upper mid card to main event in his own right
Almas - Ditto (Probably also doing CMLL and New Japan also where he'd get booked strong, he'd be on similar standing to Pentagon Jr and Fenix). Don't mistake WWE not knowing how to book Latin talent as Almas being a mid carder, guy was brought in to be the next Eddie Guerrero.

Today's WWE guys aren't breaking away because the booking absolutely horrible and they don't know how to book anyone, i think its glaringly obvious how bad the booking is and anyone who gets over is often in spite of Vince.

The reason the main roster doesn't have great matches is because its mostly overbooked and that has to do with road agents.

The main difference you're ignoring is, AEW most likely will have at least above average booking, instead of WWE's horrendous mismanagement, which would put all of those guys in better stead.

I think you're waaaaaay jumping the gun on Almas. He's been on the main roster like what 6 months? What were the
expectations of him coming in? Since he's been called up he's been in quite a few big matches on Smackdown. WWE
angles and feuds are usually planned out 2-3 months in advance so were you expecting Almas to become champ and
main event the show right off the bat?

I'm one of WWE's biggest critics when it comes to their booking and who they push but I think sometimes they get
unfairly criticized for not pushing NXT call ups and making them main eventers right away. I think the real problem is
when they call a lot of them up they get jobbed or forgotten about and the audience loses interest in them. Almas is
not one of those guys.

Also Almas should not be mentioned in the same sentence as Eddie Guerrero...

It remains to be seen how AEW is gonna operate. For all we know they could be the next XFL going up against the NFL.
There is no Leader there it's a bunch of main event guys and their friends running a promotion politics are gonna
be running rampant.

Was expecting him to get consistent programs and progression (even if it was around the U.S belt. The issue is with WWE booking is they're incapable of booking more than 2-3 storylines per show (good ones at least). No one expected Almas to become World champion out the gate but i think we all expected him to be featured heavily.

Also on that Guerrero thing, that was what Vince wanted him to be, granted he wanted Del Rio to be that also.

Yeah their are a lot of unknowns with AEW but wrestling needs this in the worst way, WWE being the worst its ever been (well its surely between this and 95 for worst ever product, like even 09 had Psycho Orton), getting record low ratings yet making record profit is an oxymoron that Vince has successfully created so hopefully all involved know what they're doing and aren't here trying to create the next TNA.

[Spens1]

I mean Zayn was in a high profile tag match at WM against Daniel Bryan and Shane McMahon and was feuding with
Lashley who's an upper card guy. Outside of a championship run there isn't much higher he can get.

If he goes to AEW and say Omega is champion and having a long feud with someone Zayn will pretty much be
in the same spot he is in the WWE which is mid to upper card.

I don't think that a lot of these guys are not getting a fair shake there's just a lot of talent out there and it's deep waters.
You could make the case for dozens of guys who could be in higher spots or "the" guy.

Zayn is a good wrestler and a good talker he's just gotta change up his awful look and work on his body especially
for durability issues. He's gotta ditch the hipster hat and jacket and get cooler ring gear. Get a catch phrase or slogan
and find away to sell some merch to make the Sami Zayn brand feel cool. Also if he goes to AEW he won't have his theme
song anymore so he won't have people singing along to it.

and he lost, its all well and good to get the match but he lost to a very part time shane mcmahon and daniel bryan who barely returned. Realistically the heels should have won that match to establish them.

Zayn would be a main event guy if he goes to AEW which WWE refuse to do (and he really should be a main eventer given their talent pool, i mean look at who is getting pushed as main eventers, Zayn is as good as them and some of them he's better across the board). Also Omega will need a good guy to go against and Zayn is exactly that. It sure ain't going to be Cody that's for sure.

Sami Zayn already has a better theme on the independent scene anyway which he could easily use, so that's fine.

He's easily a top 5 guy in WWE who for some reason is being treated like a mid carder because i'm not convinced Vince knows talent anymore.

It was Daniel Bryans return match after a miraculous comeback where everyone thought he was done for good. It doesn't
really matter who won the fact that Zayn was in a high profile match like that at WM is a good thing for him and raises
his stock. Since they turned him heel and put him with Owens he was on the right track and they were giving him a push.
They are also promoting his return from injury likes its a big deal and it's still to early.

I know you're super high on Sami but there is some red flags with him.... He got injured and blew out his shoulder
the first night he got called up and was gonna face Cena during his entrance. He got sent home along with KO from
a European tour for unprofessional conduct and now he's injured with 2 blown shoulders. Also like I've said he looks
like a "job" guy and probably has a bottom 5 worst look in the company.

If the card of what All In was is any indication of what the AEW roster will eventually look like I don't see Omega
(if he ends up signing there) having any trouble finding quality opponents.

That's the argument we used to have for Cena when he was going around beating everyone. There is nothing better than wins, losing constantly will only lead to more losing constantly unless their are good storyline reasoning for the losses and it leads to an angle. That's how Bray Wyatt went from next Undertaker to not even being on TV basically. They've ruined far too many wrestlers with 50-50 booking and stop-start pushes.

Zayn has lost basically any big match he's been in on the main roster anyway. Of course their are red flags with him, second major injury is not a good thing at all but if 'the look' is seriously being the reason he's been held back then he really should leave, he'd be worth more to an outside promotion than he is to WWE clearly. Also the honest question should be asked, who is better than him as a total package (red flags aside). As the total package, only Bryan and Styles come to mind, with Rollins at about the same level (though Rollins is more durable), other then that i'd say Zayn is up there for best total package.

Omega won't have problems (especially if Pentagon Jr is there) but he will still need singles stars to be against and you need more than 1 star, Omega is brilliant but they will run into the same problems as WWE have if they only build around Omega (even if Omega is actually well liked, unlike Roman), they will need a good #2-#5 guys to carry the main event and some solid wrestlers below (Cody is a start) to carry the upper mid card and mid card scene if they are to be a legit #2 (not even a competitor, just a #2 company that can get 1 million or so viewers a week). Getting guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn help, i'd also imagine they'd probably end up with Nakamura (i don't think anyone in WWE would be happy with that investment, that's been a bust for all involved).

[Scott Hall]

and he lost, its all well and good to get the match but he lost to a very part time shane mcmahon and daniel bryan who barely returned. Realistically the heels should have won that match to establish them.

Zayn would be a main event guy if he goes to AEW which WWE refuse to do (and he really should be a main eventer given their talent pool, i mean look at who is getting pushed as main eventers, Zayn is as good as them and some of them he's better across the board). Also Omega will need a good guy to go against and Zayn is exactly that. It sure ain't going to be Cody that's for sure.

Sami Zayn already has a better theme on the independent scene anyway which he could easily use, so that's fine.

He's easily a top 5 guy in WWE who for some reason is being treated like a mid carder because i'm not convinced Vince knows talent anymore.

It was Daniel Bryans return match after a miraculous comeback where everyone thought he was done for good. It doesn't
really matter who won the fact that Zayn was in a high profile match like that at WM is a good thing for him and raises
his stock. Since they turned him heel and put him with Owens he was on the right track and they were giving him a push.
They are also promoting his return from injury likes its a big deal and it's still to early.

I know you're super high on Sami but there is some red flags with him.... He got injured and blew out his shoulder
the first night he got called up and was gonna face Cena during his entrance. He got sent home along with KO from
a European tour for unprofessional conduct and now he's injured with 2 blown shoulders. Also like I've said he looks
like a "job" guy and probably has a bottom 5 worst look in the company.

If the card of what All In was is any indication of what the AEW roster will eventually look like I don't see Omega
(if he ends up signing there) having any trouble finding quality opponents.

That's the argument we used to have for Cena when he was going around beating everyone. There is nothing better than wins, losing constantly will only lead to more losing constantly unless their are good storyline reasoning for the losses and it leads to an angle. That's how Bray Wyatt went from next Undertaker to not even being on TV basically. They've ruined far too many wrestlers with 50-50 booking and stop-start pushes.

Zayn has lost basically any big match he's been in on the main roster anyway. Of course their are red flags with him, second major injury is not a good thing at all but if 'the look' is seriously being the reason he's been held back then he really should leave, he'd be worth more to an outside promotion than he is to WWE clearly. Also the honest question should be asked, who is better than him as a total package (red flags aside). As the total package, only Bryan and Styles come to mind, with Rollins at about the same level (though Rollins is more durable), other then that i'd say Zayn is up there for best total package.

Omega won't have problems (especially if Pentagon Jr is there) but he will still need singles stars to be against and you need more than 1 star, Omega is brilliant but they will run into the same problems as WWE have if they only build around Omega (even if Omega is actually well liked, unlike Roman), they will need a good #2-#5 guys to carry the main event and some solid wrestlers below (Cody is a start) to carry the upper mid card and mid card scene if they are to be a legit #2 (not even a competitor, just a #2 company that can get 1 million or so viewers a week). Getting guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn help, i'd also imagine they'd probably end up with Nakamura (i don't think anyone in WWE would be happy with that investment, that's been a bust for all involved).

Honestly DB and Shane winning at WM was a no brainer.... DB winning his return match at WM is a WM moment that
you can't squander. Stoyline wise KO and Sami were dirty heels and a thorn to Shane and DB for months so payoff was
for the babyfaces to win.

I thought Sami was severely underused before the heel turn but since the heel turn he was on the right track
and making good progress. To me the bigger crime is how poorly KO has been used since he was Universal Champion
before he got hurt he was a personal jobber to Braun Strowman and made to look completely weak and almost as a
comedy act.

I do agree 100% about the start and stop pushes and the 50-50 booking. There has been so many times through the
years I dig a character he gets over and Vince loses interest fast and completely books him into the ground.

As for Shinske he did win the Royal Rumble and had a World Tittle match at WM with a special musical entrance.
His matches didn't deliver. Strong style doesn't translate to WWE style and Shinske doesn't have a great moveset
and isn't overly athletic. But I wouldn't jump the gun on him either people were saying the same thing about Asuka
a few months ago and now shes World Champion and Vince is reportedly super high on her.

I think if the AEW roster is what we think its gonna be Kenny (if he signs there) won't have any shortage of
quality opponents for great matches. Sure guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev and Zayn would help but I disagree
(outside of Rusev) that they're being held down and it would probably be a lateral move for them in the grand
scheme of things.

[Spens1]

It was Daniel Bryans return match after a miraculous comeback where everyone thought he was done for good. It doesn't
really matter who won the fact that Zayn was in a high profile match like that at WM is a good thing for him and raises
his stock. Since they turned him heel and put him with Owens he was on the right track and they were giving him a push.
They are also promoting his return from injury likes its a big deal and it's still to early.

I know you're super high on Sami but there is some red flags with him.... He got injured and blew out his shoulder
the first night he got called up and was gonna face Cena during his entrance. He got sent home along with KO from
a European tour for unprofessional conduct and now he's injured with 2 blown shoulders. Also like I've said he looks
like a "job" guy and probably has a bottom 5 worst look in the company.

If the card of what All In was is any indication of what the AEW roster will eventually look like I don't see Omega
(if he ends up signing there) having any trouble finding quality opponents.

That's the argument we used to have for Cena when he was going around beating everyone. There is nothing better than wins, losing constantly will only lead to more losing constantly unless their are good storyline reasoning for the losses and it leads to an angle. That's how Bray Wyatt went from next Undertaker to not even being on TV basically. They've ruined far too many wrestlers with 50-50 booking and stop-start pushes.

Zayn has lost basically any big match he's been in on the main roster anyway. Of course their are red flags with him, second major injury is not a good thing at all but if 'the look' is seriously being the reason he's been held back then he really should leave, he'd be worth more to an outside promotion than he is to WWE clearly. Also the honest question should be asked, who is better than him as a total package (red flags aside). As the total package, only Bryan and Styles come to mind, with Rollins at about the same level (though Rollins is more durable), other then that i'd say Zayn is up there for best total package.

Omega won't have problems (especially if Pentagon Jr is there) but he will still need singles stars to be against and you need more than 1 star, Omega is brilliant but they will run into the same problems as WWE have if they only build around Omega (even if Omega is actually well liked, unlike Roman), they will need a good #2-#5 guys to carry the main event and some solid wrestlers below (Cody is a start) to carry the upper mid card and mid card scene if they are to be a legit #2 (not even a competitor, just a #2 company that can get 1 million or so viewers a week). Getting guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn help, i'd also imagine they'd probably end up with Nakamura (i don't think anyone in WWE would be happy with that investment, that's been a bust for all involved).

Honestly DB and Shane winning at WM was a no brainer.... DB winning his return match at WM is a WM moment that
you can't squander. Stoyline wise KO and Sami were dirty heels and a thorn to Shane and DB for months so payoff was
for the babyfaces to win.

I thought Sami was severely underused before the heel turn but since the heel turn he was on the right track
and making good progress. To me the bigger crime is how poorly KO has been used since he was Universal Champion
before he got hurt he was a personal jobber to Braun Strowman and made to look completely weak and almost as a
comedy act.

I do agree 100% about the start and stop pushes and the 50-50 booking. There has been so many times through the
years I dig a character he gets over and Vince loses interest fast and completely books him into the ground.

As for Shinske he did win the Royal Rumble and had a World Tittle match at WM with a special musical entrance.
His matches didn't deliver. Strong style doesn't translate to WWE style and Shinske doesn't have a great moveset
and isn't overly athletic. But I wouldn't jump the gun on him either people were saying the same thing about Asuka
a few months ago and now shes World Champion and Vince is reportedly super high on her.

I think if the AEW roster is what we think its gonna be Kenny (if he signs there) won't have any shortage of
quality opponents for great matches. Sure guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev and Zayn would help but I disagree
(outside of Rusev) that they're being held down and it would probably be a lateral move for them in the grand
scheme of things.

That's where i said i agree with the Shinsuke thing, he got given big matches but ultimately failed and Vince gave up on him (clearly). I don't think its a strong style thing (though that is a minor thing), i think its just Nakamura being Nakamura that he phone's it in for most of the year and now that he is even more injured, its worse. I'd say Nakamura will leave for AEW to get good money and get less dates and i don't think WWE will want to pay him big money anyway cause what's the point really, the guy is only giving his 100% about 2-4 times a year.

Would it really be lateral if they go into the main event of the #2 company though, since most of them are absolute mid card acts at best and aren't going to be above that. Their is value in being a main eventer outside of the WWE. All things being equal, if they got the same amount of money as their WWE contract and get a bigger push, why not move?

[Spens1]

Oh yeah, another name not mentioned, Shane Strickland, i believe he hasn't signed a WWE deal, Impact deal or MLW deal either, he is a F.A

[Scott Hall]

That's the argument we used to have for Cena when he was going around beating everyone. There is nothing better than wins, losing constantly will only lead to more losing constantly unless their are good storyline reasoning for the losses and it leads to an angle. That's how Bray Wyatt went from next Undertaker to not even being on TV basically. They've ruined far too many wrestlers with 50-50 booking and stop-start pushes.

Zayn has lost basically any big match he's been in on the main roster anyway. Of course their are red flags with him, second major injury is not a good thing at all but if 'the look' is seriously being the reason he's been held back then he really should leave, he'd be worth more to an outside promotion than he is to WWE clearly. Also the honest question should be asked, who is better than him as a total package (red flags aside). As the total package, only Bryan and Styles come to mind, with Rollins at about the same level (though Rollins is more durable), other then that i'd say Zayn is up there for best total package.

Omega won't have problems (especially if Pentagon Jr is there) but he will still need singles stars to be against and you need more than 1 star, Omega is brilliant but they will run into the same problems as WWE have if they only build around Omega (even if Omega is actually well liked, unlike Roman), they will need a good #2-#5 guys to carry the main event and some solid wrestlers below (Cody is a start) to carry the upper mid card and mid card scene if they are to be a legit #2 (not even a competitor, just a #2 company that can get 1 million or so viewers a week). Getting guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev, Zayn help, i'd also imagine they'd probably end up with Nakamura (i don't think anyone in WWE would be happy with that investment, that's been a bust for all involved).

Honestly DB and Shane winning at WM was a no brainer.... DB winning his return match at WM is a WM moment that
you can't squander. Stoyline wise KO and Sami were dirty heels and a thorn to Shane and DB for months so payoff was
for the babyfaces to win.

I thought Sami was severely underused before the heel turn but since the heel turn he was on the right track
and making good progress. To me the bigger crime is how poorly KO has been used since he was Universal Champion
before he got hurt he was a personal jobber to Braun Strowman and made to look completely weak and almost as a
comedy act.

I do agree 100% about the start and stop pushes and the 50-50 booking. There has been so many times through the
years I dig a character he gets over and Vince loses interest fast and completely books him into the ground.

As for Shinske he did win the Royal Rumble and had a World Tittle match at WM with a special musical entrance.
His matches didn't deliver. Strong style doesn't translate to WWE style and Shinske doesn't have a great moveset
and isn't overly athletic. But I wouldn't jump the gun on him either people were saying the same thing about Asuka
a few months ago and now shes World Champion and Vince is reportedly super high on her.

I think if the AEW roster is what we think its gonna be Kenny (if he signs there) won't have any shortage of
quality opponents for great matches. Sure guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev and Zayn would help but I disagree
(outside of Rusev) that they're being held down and it would probably be a lateral move for them in the grand
scheme of things.

That's where i said i agree with the Shinsuke thing, he got given big matches but ultimately failed and Vince gave up on him (clearly). I don't think its a strong style thing (though that is a minor thing), i think its just Nakamura being Nakamura that he phone's it in for most of the year and now that he is even more injured, its worse. I'd say Nakamura will leave for AEW to get good money and get less dates and i don't think WWE will want to pay him big money anyway cause what's the point really, the guy is only giving his 100% about 2-4 times a year.

Would it really be lateral if they go into the main event of the #2 company though, since most of them are absolute mid card acts at best and aren't going to be above that. Their is value in being a main eventer outside of the WWE. All things being equal, if they got the same amount of money as their WWE contract and get a bigger push, why not move?

Hey if you're a disgruntled wrestler on the roster all you gotta see is Jinder Mahal and Carmella come out of nowhere
and become world champions. Drew McIntyre like Jinder owned up to his mistakes and just got better to create his
own opportunities and Dolph Ziggler came back from the dead to being a focal point on RAW the past year.

Anything can happen at any time... Shinske had what like 3 or 4 PPV World Tittle matches in a row with Styles that's
pretty good. They made the right choice staying with Styles and once that feud was over there's no place to go but
down. But the Smackdown roster is pretty stacked and top heavy.

The other positive is it appears Vince has given up 100% sole creative decision making and will do it collectively with
the kids and HHH. We've already seen HHH's influence the past couple of weeks if you were a wrestler under him in
NXT you gotta be excited about that.

The types of guys I'd like to see go to AEW are Zack Ryder, Tye Dillenger, Apollo Crews, Tyler Breeze etc

[Spens1]

Honestly DB and Shane winning at WM was a no brainer.... DB winning his return match at WM is a WM moment that
you can't squander. Stoyline wise KO and Sami were dirty heels and a thorn to Shane and DB for months so payoff was
for the babyfaces to win.

I thought Sami was severely underused before the heel turn but since the heel turn he was on the right track
and making good progress. To me the bigger crime is how poorly KO has been used since he was Universal Champion
before he got hurt he was a personal jobber to Braun Strowman and made to look completely weak and almost as a
comedy act.

I do agree 100% about the start and stop pushes and the 50-50 booking. There has been so many times through the
years I dig a character he gets over and Vince loses interest fast and completely books him into the ground.

As for Shinske he did win the Royal Rumble and had a World Tittle match at WM with a special musical entrance.
His matches didn't deliver. Strong style doesn't translate to WWE style and Shinske doesn't have a great moveset
and isn't overly athletic. But I wouldn't jump the gun on him either people were saying the same thing about Asuka
a few months ago and now shes World Champion and Vince is reportedly super high on her.

I think if the AEW roster is what we think its gonna be Kenny (if he signs there) won't have any shortage of
quality opponents for great matches. Sure guys like Almas, Cesaro, Rusev and Zayn would help but I disagree
(outside of Rusev) that they're being held down and it would probably be a lateral move for them in the grand
scheme of things.

That's where i said i agree with the Shinsuke thing, he got given big matches but ultimately failed and Vince gave up on him (clearly). I don't think its a strong style thing (though that is a minor thing), i think its just Nakamura being Nakamura that he phone's it in for most of the year and now that he is even more injured, its worse. I'd say Nakamura will leave for AEW to get good money and get less dates and i don't think WWE will want to pay him big money anyway cause what's the point really, the guy is only giving his 100% about 2-4 times a year.

Would it really be lateral if they go into the main event of the #2 company though, since most of them are absolute mid card acts at best and aren't going to be above that. Their is value in being a main eventer outside of the WWE. All things being equal, if they got the same amount of money as their WWE contract and get a bigger push, why not move?

Hey if you're a disgruntled wrestler on the roster all you gotta see is Jinder Mahal and Carmella come out of nowhere
and become world champions. Drew McIntyre like Jinder owned up to his mistakes and just got better to create his
own opportunities and Dolph Ziggler came back from the dead to being a focal point on RAW the past year.

Anything can happen at any time... Shinske had what like 3 or 4 PPV World Tittle matches in a row with Styles that's
pretty good. They made the right choice staying with Styles and once that feud was over there's no place to go but
down. But the Smackdown roster is pretty stacked and top heavy.

The other positive is it appears Vince has given up 100% sole creative decision making and will do it collectively with
the kids and HHH. We've already seen HHH's influence the past couple of weeks if you were a wrestler under him in
NXT you gotta be excited about that.

The types of guys I'd like to see go to AEW are Zack Ryder, Tye Dillenger, Apollo Crews, Tyler Breeze etc

Which also plays into my point as well. If you're disgruntled with your position, instead of staying in the mid card, go out there, get into the main event of another company and if you want to come back into the WWE afterwards, then come back in a better place and with more money (Drew McIntyre did exactly this, Cody went elsewhere and he's a bigger star then he ever was in the WWE).

Zack Ryder, Dillinger, Crews, Breeze etc could all do with a move but they're not moving the needle (all good mid carders for sure though, which the company would also need, but the independents can sort that out mostly), they will need mid carders and underutilised upper mid carders from the WWE and maybe even take a main eventer if they can to get really going (Though i doubt any main eventer would leave).

Also, its not like the shows have been good anyway, smackdown has been decent but raw is still horrible, HHH though is a much better prospect than Vince for sure, but even if WWE is good quality (i.e. smackdown 2016-early 2017 but throughout the roster), there still needs to be more than 1 show in town, even if AEW is smaller, at least its there for a situation if WWE becomes poor again (which it invariably does).

[jakecronus8]

I don't know what the pay structure is, but is AEW pays anything close to wwe, it'd be a no brainer to me given the difference in schedules. Those house show circuits kill people.

[jakecronus8]

Another point regarding not just Zayn, Cesaro etc but pretty much any worker that leaves wwe is they will have built in mainstream appeal, as well as the love of the smarks that go Gaga for the indies. Even if AEW commits to Omega as one of the guys, it would behoove them to push WWE guys and gals as well, as much of their audience will still be WWE fans who follow their favorites, want an alternative, watching out of curiosity or all of the above. If those fans tune in and see all people they've only heard of getting the top spots it could turn them away. Long story short, they need to be very calculated and all inclusive with their booking.

[improper]

Another point regarding not just Zayn, Cesaro etc but pretty much any worker that leaves wwe is they will have built in mainstream appeal, as well as the love of the smarks that go Gaga for the indies. Even if AEW commits to Omega as one of the guys, it would behoove them to push WWE guys and gals as well, as much of their audience will still be WWE fans who follow their favorites, want an alternative, watching out of curiosity or all of the above. If those fans tune in and see all people they've only heard of getting the top spots it could turn them away. Long story short, they need to be very calculated and all inclusive with their booking.

I mean, if Omega signed there, they'd be crazy not to make him one of their top guys. He's gonna be a top guy anywhere he signs with because he's a big deal and has a big internet following. But I also wouldn't expect him to always hold the belt. You can be a top guy in a wrestling promotion and not always be champ. Just look at NJPW. Chris Jericho was never the main champ there, but he got to hold a secondary belt and was treated like a main event talent. I'd expect AEW to utilize Omega in a similar capacity, only over a longer period of time. Sometimes he'll be champ, but sometimes he'll be in high-end feuds that are basically secondary main events like Jericho/Naito a few days ago.

[WRau1]

I think the WWE ends up with Omega.

[WRau1]

How great would it be if the entire AEW was a work and all of The Elite showed up to help Omega win the Royal Rumble? Biggest swerve in prowrestling history.