Fake Trade Thread 2

DY_nasty · Post #301 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Jan 4, 2019 10:18 pm

Braggins wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:i don't want to resign lamb

if this is as good as he is in a contract year then pass.

He was roughly the same last year, just with less opportunity. We aren't seeing a random big jump in productivity or anything in his contract year, so I'm not really worried about a drop off.

if he can't play defense for the last big check he's ever gonna get in the NBA then he's never gonna do it

he's still less reliable down the stretch than a 40 year old point guard too. there's absolutely no reason that after 3 years he still has bystander syndrome whenever Kemba gets blitzed by two defenders 40ft away from the rim.

he might get his money, but we shouldn't be the one to give it to him

316Hornets · Post #302 » by **316Hornets** » Fri Jan 4, 2019 10:32 pm

DY_nasty wrote:
Braggins wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:i don't want to resign lamb

if this is as good as he is in a contract year then pass.

He was roughly the same last year, just with less opportunity. We aren't seeing a random big jump in productivity or anything in his contract year, so I'm not really worried about a drop off.

if he can't play defense for the last big check he's ever gonna get in the NBA then he's never gonna do it

he's still less reliable down the stretch than a 40 year old point guard too. there's absolutely no reason that after 3 years he still has bystander syndrome whenever Kemba gets blitzed by two defenders 40ft away from the rim.

he might get his money, but we shouldn't be the one to give it to him

He's a great 6th man, but not a guy you can run an offense through down the stretch. Some team will pay him, same as when Lin got paid. If this team isn't going to make a move, the least they could do is send him to a contender for an asset

DY_nasty · Post #303 » by **DY_nasty** » Fri Jan 4, 2019 10:46 pm

he's got no real value (at least not with teams with sane GMs). why give up an asset to trade for him now when you can get him after the market decides his value in free agency?

most teams in the league who are trying to win right now really don't even have a need for a wing like him. the ones that do have an immediate need for help at that position are in no hurry to win or have the draft picks/prospects on the roster to not feel the need to jump at him.

Liver_Pooty · Post #304 » by **Liver_Pooty** » Fri Jan 4, 2019 11:57 pm

Lamb is a slightly above average starter on an insanely good deal. Not interested in giving him a huge raise.

stinger14 · Post #305 » by **stinger14** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 1:47 pm

Hornets get - Beal, Jeff Green

Wizards get - Jabari, R. Lopez, Monk

Bulls get - Batum, Mahinmi, Hornets 2019 1st top 3 protected

Wizards lose Beal, but get a look at Jabari to make decision on next year. Get out of Mahinmi contract by getting expiring Rolo. Add Monk to develop as Beal replacement. Do they need picks here?

Bulls will not be ready to compete for a couple more years, so no big time free agents are going there yet. Batum would actually start for them, but they take on a lot of money here. Do they need more than our top 3 protected 1st?

Hornets replace Batum and Monk with Beal and Green.

chellis · Post #306 » by **chellis** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 2:07 pm

stinger14 wrote:Hornets get - Beal, Jeff Green

Wizards get - Jabari, R. Lopez, Monk

Bulls get - Batum, Mahinmi, Hornets 2019 1st top 3 protected

Wizards lose Beal, but get a look at Jabari to make decision on next year. Get out of Mahinmi contract by getting expiring Rolo. Add Monk to develop as Beal replacement. Do they need picks here?

Bulls will not be ready to compete for a couple more years, so no big time free agents are going there yet. Batum would actually start for them, but they take on a lot of money here. Do they need more than our top 3 protected 1st?

Hornets replace Batum and Monk with Beal and Green.

Honestly, too good of a deal for us. I think it at least requires a first going to the Wizards as well. Chicago gets a first to take on long term salary. Washington, sure they get out of some long term salary and get a young prospect but I doubt that’s enough for them. With the way the deal is presented I feel either we get replaced by another team or Washington bails out.

stinger14 · Post #307 » by **stinger14** » Sat Jan 5, 2019 2:14 pm

chellis wrote:
stinger14 wrote:Hornets get - Beal, Jeff Green

Wizards get - Jabari, R. Lopez, Monk

Bulls get - Batum, Mahinmi, Hornets 2019 1st top 3 protected

Wizards lose Beal, but get a look at Jabari to make decision on next year. Get out of Mahinmi contract by getting expiring Rolo. Add Monk to develop as Beal replacement. Do they need picks here?

Bulls will not be ready to compete for a couple more years, so no big time free agents are going there yet. Batum would actually start for them, but they take on a lot of money here. Do they need more than our top 3 protected 1st?

Hornets replace Batum and Monk with Beal and Green.

Honestly, too good of a deal for us. I think it at least requires a first going to the Wizards as well. Chicago gets a first to take on long term salary. Washington, sure they get out of some long term salary and get a young prospect but I doubt that’s enough for them. With the way the deal is presented I feel either we get replaced by another team or Washington bails out.

Honestly, if it took a protected 2021 1st going to the Wizards I would do that too. Would rather trade that 1st than trade Miles.

Hornet Mania · Post #308 » by **Hornet Mania** » Sun Jan 6, 2019 8:17 pm

We need to see if Dallas would accept some sort of deal centered around Nic Batum for Deandre Jordan. Jordan fixes our lack of physicality and rebounding, Dallas gets rid of a headache.

It would depend on someone like Carlisle having an irrational love for Batum, so who knows if it's even possible, but it would be worth a call to kick the tires. All three of these offers pass the Trade Checker.

Basic Version:

Nic for DJ

Dallas Wants a Center Though Version:

Nic+Willy or Frank for DJ+minor filler (if they choose Frank)

Dallas Wants Sweetener Too, They're Doing Us A Favor Version:

Nic+Willy/Frank+2nd rounder(s) for DJ+minor filler (if they choose Frank)

I would be just fine with any of those offers, even sending up to 2 future 2nds. It arguably improves the team now and certainly improves the cap situation moving forward.

Post #309 » by **JDR720** » Sun Jan 6, 2019 8:30 pm

Nic for Solomon and Moore (Pelicans)

HornetJail · Post #310 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Jan 6, 2019 9:00 pm

Can't see NOLA doing that, Moore has been better than Nic

DY_nasty · Post #311 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 12:08 am

batum and a protected first for parsons

_tijo_ · Post #312 » by **_tijo_** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 1:34 am

I think that the Batum trades have taken over this thread, and it's moot... I think Batum's contract isn't THAT bad, but it's just infamous because people keep on talking about it, that teams won't take it without giving up 1st rounders. Plural.

I would focus on something like Biz + Frank + a 2nd rounder for Jabari to get out from that Biz money.

And Marv would actually help a young team (cough cough Philly) have some vet leadership, and have a positive locker room minus one Jimmy Butler. I think a Marv + Lamb for Butler actually makes Philly better and deeper overall. If they want us to swap Fultz for more depth also, we could work it out, I would take a chance on recapturing that UW magic.

Butler seems like the Anti-Spurs player, given how he's clashing with Brett Brown and would probably not like JB, but I think JB's people skills help.

It would leave us with:
Starters: Kemba/Butler/MKG/Jabari/Cody (when healthy) - would start MKG with Jabari, because you can't start Batum with Jabari or we would give up 150 points every game. You could also start Batum with MKG, and have Jabari come off the bench with Miles. But everyone on this board seems to be done with Nic.
Backups: TP/Monk/Batum/Bridges/Billy
Graham and Bacon fill out the 12 man. We would be thin at C, but really... in 2019, it's fine. (Sits in flaming room)

JDuaneWayne · Post #313 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 2:43 am

DY_nasty wrote:batum and a protected first for parsons

Why would we give up a 1st? That’s a steep price to pay to have money to spend a year earlier on players who aren’t going to come to Charlotte to play. We’re the ones trading the better player.

DY_nasty · Post #314 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 2:50 am

JDuaneWayne wrote:
DY_nasty wrote:batum and a protected first for parsons

Why would we give up a 1st? That’s a steep price to pay to have money to spend a year earlier on players who aren’t going to come to Charlotte to play. We’re the ones trading the better player.

are we really?

we're forcing batum to handle the ball, shoot, and defend. everything about this dude says he'd rather be playing golf

rip the bandaid off already. we're not getting some good deal out of him. beal? deandre jordan? man i'd trade him for keith van horn right now. if the nets offered crabbe - we'd have to listen. that's how bad he is

JDuaneWayne · Post #315 » by **JDuaneWayne** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 2:59 am

are we really?

we're forcing batum to handle the ball, shoot, and defend. everything about this dude says he'd rather be playing golf

rip the bandaid off already. we're not getting some good deal out of him. beal? deandre jordan? man i'd trade him for keith van horn right now. if the nets offered crabbe - we'd have to listen. that's how bad he is

I would trade if any only if the 1st has heavy protection (i.e. not likely to convey and converts in two 2nds) large markets can afford to trade picks for cap relief, small markets cannot.

We’re likely to spend that money a year earlier overpaying a slightly above average starter to come here and play.

Post #316 » by **Diop** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 3:44 am

if I'm Philly, I'm offering Butler to Washington for Beal.

euphorbus · Post #317 » by **euphorbus** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 12:51 pm

Parsons is now available, and Memphis is willing to take on a longer contract. I have a feeling something is going to happen for Charlotte.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25699385/chandler-parsons-memphis-grizzlies-agree-part-ways

DY_nasty · Post #318 » by **DY_nasty** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 5:49 pm

as for fantasies...

we need to be working cousins scenarios. that's the dream

euphorbus wrote:Parsons is now available, and Memphis is willing to take on a longer contract. I have a feeling something is going to happen for Charlotte.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25699385/chandler-parsons-memphis-grizzlies-agree-part-ways

fingers literally crossed

JMAC3 · Post #319 » by **JMAC3** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 7:05 pm

I get not wanting Batum, but I wouldn’t give up a first to make this deal work. Getting Parsons’s doesn’t help resign Kemba.

Batum is probably here to stay. I would focus on moving guys like Biz, Marv,MkG, and Cody.

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HornetJail · Post #320 » by **HornetJail** » Mon Jan 7, 2019 8:25 pm

JMAC3 wrote:I get not wanting Batum, but I wouldn’t give up a first to make this deal work. Getting Parsons’s doesn’t help resign Kemba.

Batum is probably here to stay. I would focus on moving guys like Biz, Marv,MkG, and Cody.

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this, except MKG.

I don't really think anything we do that involves only salary dumping Batum will make us better in the short or long term. We are not the type of team that attracts good free agents with cap space.

If we trade multiple 1sts and a young guy for a big time upgrade and insist that the other team takes back Batum as salary filler, then cool, but I wouldn't count on it.