Trade Ideas, AKA Please God Bring Us Shooters

[Mattv]

Okc Heat Dallas

Dallas gets Dragic Whiteside and Winslow.

Heat get Schroder D.jorden Barnes

Okc gets DSJ J.Johnson..

What else do yall think OKC would have to add to make this trade work or do you even think it can?

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I feel like OKC steals a bunch of vaiue here. A healthy Dragic seems like a guy the Mavericks would like, but Whiteside is a lazy sack of potatoes. Also they will have to pay Winslow.

For the heat, I’m don’t know if it really helps them obtain there goal of shedding long term salary....

Yeah I dont disagree. I was thinking tha Dragic would be a good player to have around Doncic.Maybe a change of scenery is what Whiteside needs and Winslow would also be nice piece next to Doncic also.
The heat would not save money but at least get a core around J.Richardson age and could let D.jorden walk this summer.
Okc would have to add more but I wasnt sure exactly what.

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[getrichordie]

Okc Heat Dallas

Dallas gets Dragic Whiteside and Winslow.

Heat get Schroder D.jorden Barnes

Okc gets DSJ J.Johnson..

What else do yall think OKC would have to add to make this trade work or do you even think it can?

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I feel like OKC steals a bunch of vaiue here. A healthy Dragic seems like a guy the Mavericks would like, but Whiteside is a lazy sack of potatoes. Also they will have to pay Winslow.

For the heat, I’m don’t know if it really helps them obtain there goal of shedding long term salary....

Yeah I dont disagree. I was thinking tha Dragic would be a good player to have around Doncic.Maybe a change of scenery is what Whiteside needs and Winslow would also be nice piece next to Doncic also.
The heat would not save money but at least get a core around J.Richardson age and could let D.jorden walk this summer.
Okc would have to add more but I wasnt sure exactly what.

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Dallas would rather have Schroder than Dragic. Schroder is younger and has more value than Dragic because of his age and the fact that he probably won’t command a huge contract after his current one is up. Dallas liked Rondo and Schroder is Rondo-lite.


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[Mattv]

I feel like OKC steals a bunch of vaiue here. A healthy Dragic seems like a guy the Mavericks would like, but Whiteside is a lazy sack of potatoes. Also they will have to pay Winslow.

For the heat, I’m don’t know if it really helps them obtain there goal of shedding long term salary....

Yeah I dont disagree. I was thinking tha Dragic would be a good player to have around Doncic.Maybe a change of scenery is what Whiteside needs and Winslow would also be nice piece next to Doncic also.
The heat would not save money but at least get a core around J.Richardson age and could let D.jorden walk this summer.
Okc would have to add more but I wasnt sure exactly what.

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Dallas would rather have Schroder than Dragic. Schroder is younger and has more value than Dragic because of his age and the fact that he probably won’t command a huge contract after his current one is up. Dallas liked Rondo and Schroder is Rondo-lite.


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Maybe they would that would be even better.
Okc DSJ James Johnson and Dion Waiters

Dallas Schroder Paterson and 2nd round picks 1 from Okc 1 from the heat.

Heat Wesley Matthews and Abrines.

It's a Money move for the heat they save around 23 million next year.
Dallas shows Doncic its his team and get 2 2nd round picks plus a capable Pg in Schroder which is good friends with Dirk.
Okc gets deeper and push for a Championship for the next 3 years.


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[Dadouv47]

It won't be that easy to get rid of Schroeder...

[ThunderBolt]

DSJ is a poor man's Westbrook. We're seeing right now what a poor man's Westbrook looks like and it isn't pretty. I'm just not interested. Keep in mind that DSJ has these struggles despite playing for Rick Carlisle. If he were to play here what would he look like when given free reigns to the second unit? No thanks. If we're dumping Schroder to get rid of him, I guess i'ts worth a shot.

[ThunderBolt]

It won't be that easy to get rid of Schroeder...

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

[slick_watts]

It won't be that easy to get rid of Schroeder...

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

i think they are hoping schroder will have value on draft night / the summer.

[Mattv]

DSJ is a poor man's Westbrook. We're seeing right now what a poor man's Westbrook looks like and it isn't pretty. I'm just not interested. Keep in mind that DSJ has these struggles despite playing for Rick Carlisle. If he were to play here what would he look like when given free reigns to the second unit? No thanks. If we're dumping Schroder to get rid of him, I guess i'ts worth a shot.

Yeah but it's a poor man Westbrook that is young I didnt say we had to keep him for 10+ years if he can just play as good as he did his 1st season we can flip him more assets plus we have a decent back up Pg on a cheap contract. Also James Johnson and Adam's would be the toughest C/Pf Combo know one would dare try to bully or start a Scuffle with Okc..

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[ThunderBolt]

It won't be that easy to get rid of Schroeder...

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

i think they are hoping schroder will have value on draft night / the summer.

If Russ doesn't snap out of this funk, what is this organization going to realistically do next year? Keeping Schroder as a tank commander might be the best option. Even if we win a playoff series and Russ is still struggling, I don't see how ownership would continue to invest in this current team without taking a significant step back like Houston did this year. The problem is this team isn't as good as Houston was last year so as step back could mean missing the playoffs. The only hope is if Ferguson makes his Jimmy Butler transformation next year.

[slick_watts]

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

i think they are hoping schroder will have value on draft night / the summer.

If Russ doesn't snap out of this funk, what is this organization going to realistically do next year? Keeping Schroder as a tank commander might be the best option. Even if we win a playoff series and Russ is still struggling, I don't see how ownership would continue to invest in this current team without taking a significant step back like Houston did this year. The problem is this team isn't as good as Houston was last year so as step back could mean missing the playoffs. The only hope is if Ferguson makes his Jimmy Butler transformation next year.

if this is russ long term there's nothing they can do. they've hitched themselves to his wagon already.

[Old Man Game]

It won't be that easy to get rid of Schroeder...

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

i think they are hoping schroder will have value on draft night / the summer.

The way he's playing after being jettisoned from another team already he'll be a pretty hard sell.

[slick_watts]

Giving up a first to dump Melo and then attaching any kind of an asset to dump schroder should have presti fired. Melo could have been stretched and we could have signed a minimum level playe.

i think they are hoping schroder will have value on draft night / the summer.

The way he's playing after being jettisoned from another team already he'll be a pretty hard sell.

sure but it'll be easier with two seasons on his deal rather than three.

[SecondTake]

Schroder is in a funk. We saw how dominant he can be in November. Hopefully he'll snap out of it by the end of the month, if he does he shouldn't be traded.

[acheema0]

Schroder is in a funk. We saw how dominant he can be in November. Hopefully he'll snap out of it by the end of the month, if he does he shouldn't be traded.

When was Dennis ever dominant? The main difference in his play then was he was shooting well above his career norms from 3. He's falling back to Earth in that department and his entire game is suffering.

[SecondTake]

Schroder is in a funk. We saw how dominant he can be in November. Hopefully he'll snap out of it by the end of the month, if he does he shouldn't be traded.

When was Dennis ever dominant? The main difference in his play then was he was shooting well above his career norms from 3. He's falling back to Earth in that department and his entire game is suffering.

He was 35%, 32% and 34% until his down year last year at 29%. His November numbers were not that much higher than what we're usually accustomed from him the past number of years, and he's not in his prime yet so an improvement would be expected. His free throw numbers have also taken a hit in Dec and January. It's a slump.

He was also much better defensively - he's small, but he's a very capable defender when he tries, he's pesky and annoying. I haven't see much of that the past month.

He probably needs more minutes with the starters, because his numbers with that unit are very good across the board.

Also, let's not forget about Playoff Schroder.

[Pillendreher]

He probably needs more minutes with the starters, because his numbers with that unit are very good across the board.

In what way? He's an offensive afterthought in that unit. Neither is he involved shooting wise (13.6 USG%; those are Patterson numbers) nor is he setting people up for shots (11.7 AST%). And finally he's still horribly inefficient at 48.7 TS% in that lineup.

His positive impact on the offensive end in that lineup is miniscule at best. So why is he even out there? It can't be for defense.

[getrichordie]

Schroder just isn’t a good fit for the current iteration of this team.

I see two possibilities:

- we keep Schroder and bring in help

- we trade Schroder to get lesser but better-fitting players to round out the roster

I know that’s really the only two possibilities and is easy to see but Presti has a decision to make on Schroder at the deadline, in my opinion.

I think there are other teams who are interested in Schroder but would want him at a discount due to no 3-pt shot and his contract. I think those teams are Dallas and Washington, respectively.


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[acheema0]

Schroder is in a funk. We saw how dominant he can be in November. Hopefully he'll snap out of it by the end of the month, if he does he shouldn't be traded.

When was Dennis ever dominant? The main difference in his play then was he was shooting well above his career norms from 3. He's falling back to Earth in that department and his entire game is suffering.

He was 35%, 32% and 34% until his down year last year at 29%. His November numbers were not that much higher than what we're usually accustomed from him the past number of years, and he's not in his prime yet so an improvement would be expected. His free throw numbers have also taken a hit in Dec and January. It's a slump.

He was also much better defensively - he's small, but he's a very capable defender when he tries, he's pesky and annoying. I haven't see much of that the past month.

He probably needs more minutes with the starters, because his numbers with that unit are very good across the board.

Also, let's not forget about Playoff Schroder.

He is not good on defense did you watch the game last night? Every possession he was in they attacked him. He shouldn't get more minutes with the starters because he'd be in the place of Ferg, and the lineup with Ferg is more than 10pp100 better than the one with Dennis. Ferg is a much better option there than Dennis, and taking him out to put Dennis in there hurts the team.

He's a career 32% three point shooter, and he's shooting 31% on the year, so yes him shooting 37% is much higher than anyone was accustomed to. Even with that, he is shooting the second worst efg% on jump shots in his career. Even during this "dominant" month he was having, buoyed by career best shooting from 3, he couldn't crack league average numbers for efg% or TS%. He was never dominant, or even anything close to it tbh.

I'm not even going to get into whatever you may have meant by Playoff Schroder.

[Osirus89]

Does anyone know when Robert Covington can be trade with other players? Thanks in advance I cant find it anywhere and dont know the answer.



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Immediately. He just can't be combined with any other players. Incoming team has to just take him alone.

When can he be Combined with other players though?

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Had to look it up. 60 days

[Kizz Fastfists]

Covington would be a nice addition, but I don't know if Minny would be interested in moving him to OKC. Minny will be looking for players to grow with KAT which means under 25. We would have to assume that Minny likes both Ferguson and Diallo as building blocks for them to do something like those two for Covington, with OKC taking Covington's salary into the Melo TPE.

I like that for OKC. I just don't think Minny would do it. I don't see Minny, or anyone else, having any interest in Schroder. I still believe if anyone were willing to give up something decent for Schroder they would have gotten him from Atlanta. Schroder's value hasn't changed unless you want to argue it got worse, but I don't think that is the case as he was such a negative value player/contract to begin with.