Game 41 : Charlotte Hornets @ Phoenix Suns, Sunday, January 6th, 6:00PM MST

[realsunsfan]

Melton is the luckiest guy in the league. Goes from a certain GLeague-er to a starting slot. And somehow keeps it!

Dude I like the kid, but have been saying he is just not good right now. Neither is Okobo, we need a nba vet to run the point if we actually want to compete. There is no way that Crawford and Jackson should be better setup men than our starting and backup pg.

Melton and Okobo MAY develop in a few years ( I highly doubt they ever become starting caliber), but as of right now, no matter what other moves are made if we do not get a quality starting ball distributing PG we will continue to struggle and lose. We are not talking about contending for the playoffs, but merely developing a winning culture moving forward. At this point it doesn't matter what we give up outside of Booker, Ayton, Warren. All picks and Jackson, Bridges, Oubre, Daniels, Bender and all others should be available. If we expect to get anything of good quality and value we must be willing to give up something good as well.

[bwgood77]

Melton is the luckiest guy in the league. Goes from a certain GLeague-er to a starting slot. And somehow keeps it!

Dude I like the kid, but have been saying he is just not good right now. Neither is Okobo, we need a nba vet to run the point if we actually want to compete. There is no way that Crawford and Jackson should be better setup men than our starting and backup pg.

Melton and Okobo MAY develop in a few years ( I highly doubt they ever become starting caliber), but as of right now, no matter what other moves are made if we do not get a quality starting ball distributing PG we will continue to struggle and lose. We are not talking about contending for the playoffs, but merely developing a winning culture moving forward. At this point it doesn't matter what we give up outside of Booker, Ayton, Warren. All picks and Jackson, Bridges, Oubre, Daniels, Bender and all others should be available. If we expect to get anything of good quality and value we must be willing to give up something good as well.

Since this year isn't meaningful, I think developing them with game time is the right move. Sure I'd like a better PG to help get some other players involved and relieve Booker a bit, but I don't see anyone available other than maybe Lin, unless someone gets cut. Lin doesn't do much, but he is at more a position of need than Oubre, who I don't think we should keep.

[realsunsfan]

Dude I like the kid, but have been saying he is just not good right now. Neither is Okobo, we need a nba vet to run the point if we actually want to compete. There is no way that Crawford and Jackson should be better setup men than our starting and backup pg.

Melton and Okobo MAY develop in a few years ( I highly doubt they ever become starting caliber), but as of right now, no matter what other moves are made if we do not get a quality starting ball distributing PG we will continue to struggle and lose. We are not talking about contending for the playoffs, but merely developing a winning culture moving forward. At this point it doesn't matter what we give up outside of Booker, Ayton, Warren. All picks and Jackson, Bridges, Oubre, Daniels, Bender and all others should be available. If we expect to get anything of good quality and value we must be willing to give up something good as well.

Since this year isn't meaningful, I think developing them with game time is the right move. Sure I'd like a better PG to help get some other players involved and relieve Booker a bit, but I don't see anyone available other than maybe Lin, unless someone gets cut. Lin doesn't do much, but he is at more a position of need than Oubre, who I don't think we should keep.

It's going to take more than this year to develop them if at all, and I do not believe either of them will ever be starting caliber. So letting the rest of the team muddle in a losing atmosphere for the sake of developing those two is a huge mistake in my opinion. Spending a whole year in a losing culture will have negative effects on all our players, some will get hurt trying to compensate for others, some will develop bad habits, others will just check out mentally and a lot will begin to notice the greener grass on the other side of the fence....while we are not going to contend for the playoffs, this year is hardly meaningless, we need to develop a culture of winning.

[hollywood6964]

Melton and Okobo MAY develop in a few years ( I highly doubt they ever become starting caliber), but as of right now, no matter what other moves are made if we do not get a quality starting ball distributing PG we will continue to struggle and lose. We are not talking about contending for the playoffs, but merely developing a winning culture moving forward. At this point it doesn't matter what we give up outside of Booker, Ayton, Warren. All picks and Jackson, Bridges, Oubre, Daniels, Bender and all others should be available. If we expect to get anything of good quality and value we must be willing to give up something good as well.

Since this year isn't meaningful, I think developing them with game time is the right move. Sure I'd like a better PG to help get some other players involved and relieve Booker a bit, but I don't see anyone available other than maybe Lin, unless someone gets cut. Lin doesn't do much, but he is at more a position of need than Oubre, who I don't think we should keep.

It's going to take more than this year to develop them if at all, and I do not believe either of them will ever be starting caliber. So letting the rest of the team muddle in a losing atmosphere for the sake of developing those two is a huge mistake in my opinion. Spending a whole year in a losing culture will have negative effects on all our players, some will get hurt trying to compensate for others, some will develop bad habits, others will just check out mentally and a lot will begin to notice the greener grass on the other side of the fence....while we are not going to contend for the playoffs, this year is hardly meaningless, we need to develop a culture of winning.

Nothing sounds great right now, but yeah ultimately I'm with that. Trying to develop two 2nd rounders with limited potential, at best, n halting the team trades, lineup changes, etc, just isn't viable in my opinion.

[bwgood77]

Melton and Okobo MAY develop in a few years ( I highly doubt they ever become starting caliber), but as of right now, no matter what other moves are made if we do not get a quality starting ball distributing PG we will continue to struggle and lose. We are not talking about contending for the playoffs, but merely developing a winning culture moving forward. At this point it doesn't matter what we give up outside of Booker, Ayton, Warren. All picks and Jackson, Bridges, Oubre, Daniels, Bender and all others should be available. If we expect to get anything of good quality and value we must be willing to give up something good as well.

Since this year isn't meaningful, I think developing them with game time is the right move. Sure I'd like a better PG to help get some other players involved and relieve Booker a bit, but I don't see anyone available other than maybe Lin, unless someone gets cut. Lin doesn't do much, but he is at more a position of need than Oubre, who I don't think we should keep.

It's going to take more than this year to develop them if at all, and I do not believe either of them will ever be starting caliber. So letting the rest of the team muddle in a losing atmosphere for the sake of developing those two is a huge mistake in my opinion. Spending a whole year in a losing culture will have negative effects on all our players, some will get hurt trying to compensate for others, some will develop bad habits, others will just check out mentally and a lot will begin to notice the greener grass on the other side of the fence....while we are not going to contend for the playoffs, this year is hardly meaningless, we need to develop a culture of winning.

Sure, but bringing in a guy like Lin gets them nowhere. Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

I mean they've played 24 games each and less than 500 minutes...quite early to make knee jerk judgments. It's dumb to draft people and proclaim them terrible so early...all the PGs taken in the top 10 last year looked terrible and most of them worse than these guys, and most played far more minutes and started all year.

[realsunsfan]

Since this year isn't meaningful, I think developing them with game time is the right move. Sure I'd like a better PG to help get some other players involved and relieve Booker a bit, but I don't see anyone available other than maybe Lin, unless someone gets cut. Lin doesn't do much, but he is at more a position of need than Oubre, who I don't think we should keep.

It's going to take more than this year to develop them if at all, and I do not believe either of them will ever be starting caliber. So letting the rest of the team muddle in a losing atmosphere for the sake of developing those two is a huge mistake in my opinion. Spending a whole year in a losing culture will have negative effects on all our players, some will get hurt trying to compensate for others, some will develop bad habits, others will just check out mentally and a lot will begin to notice the greener grass on the other side of the fence....while we are not going to contend for the playoffs, this year is hardly meaningless, we need to develop a culture of winning.

Sure, but bringing in a guy like Lin gets them nowhere. Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

I mean they've played 24 games each and less than 500 minutes...quite early to make knee jerk judgments. It's dumb to draft people and proclaim them terrible so early...all the PGs taken in the top 10 last year looked terrible and most of them worse than these guys, and most played far more minutes and started all year.

Hey, let's trade for guys like this !!!

Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

LOL.... No way right ?? So why settle for them now ???
Look, they may develop, they may not, but they are not ready now nor will they be for at least a couple more years. Bringing anybody with experience and decent results is huge upgrade....

[bwgood77]

It's going to take more than this year to develop them if at all, and I do not believe either of them will ever be starting caliber. So letting the rest of the team muddle in a losing atmosphere for the sake of developing those two is a huge mistake in my opinion. Spending a whole year in a losing culture will have negative effects on all our players, some will get hurt trying to compensate for others, some will develop bad habits, others will just check out mentally and a lot will begin to notice the greener grass on the other side of the fence....while we are not going to contend for the playoffs, this year is hardly meaningless, we need to develop a culture of winning.

Sure, but bringing in a guy like Lin gets them nowhere. Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

I mean they've played 24 games each and less than 500 minutes...quite early to make knee jerk judgments. It's dumb to draft people and proclaim them terrible so early...all the PGs taken in the top 10 last year looked terrible and most of them worse than these guys, and most played far more minutes and started all year.

Hey, let's trade for guys like this !!!

Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

LOL.... No way right ?? So why settle for them now ???
Look, they may develop, they may not, but they are not ready now nor will they be for at least a couple more years. Bringing anybody with experience and decent results is huge upgrade....

I want to bring in guys with experience too but it's unlikely to bring in someone good this year with so many teams in the playoff hunt...they are not going to trade useful players. Now if you want a player from the Hawks (Lin), Knicks (Burke), Cavs (?) or Bulls (Shaq Harrison) maybe you can get one of those guys but I don't see them as huge upgrades.

I'd trade Daniels for Burke or Oubre and Bender for Lin but that's not a big upgrade.

Now if you wanted to keep Brandon Knight and Chriss and not trade for Melton I guess I understand, but I don't think that was a bad move.

[Fo-Real]

We go from a history of KJ, Kidd, Marbury and Nash to the jokiest PG rotation in the league for years in a row.

Worse, we had Bled, Goran and Isiah Thomas at the same time. In the Past we had Kj and Kidd on the same team, Kidd and Penny Hardaway, and Nash and Goran on the same team. Our situation nowadays is pathetic!

[Saberestar]

Sure, but bringing in a guy like Lin gets them nowhere. Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

I mean they've played 24 games each and less than 500 minutes...quite early to make knee jerk judgments. It's dumb to draft people and proclaim them terrible so early...all the PGs taken in the top 10 last year looked terrible and most of them worse than these guys, and most played far more minutes and started all year.

Hey, let's trade for guys like this !!!

Melton took a year off and Okobo just moved to PG last year. They've at little time after being in the G league.

LOL.... No way right ?? So why settle for them now ???
Look, they may develop, they may not, but they are not ready now nor will they be for at least a couple more years. Bringing anybody with experience and decent results is huge upgrade....

I want to bring in guys with experience too but it's unlikely to bring in someone good this year with so many teams in the playoff hunt...they are not going to trade useful players. Now if you want a player from the Hawks (Lin), Knicks (Burke), Cavs (?) or Bulls (Shaq Harrison) maybe you can get one of those guys but I don't see them as huge upgrades.

I'd trade Daniels for Burke or Oubre and Bender for Lin but that's not a big upgrade.

Now if you wanted to keep Brandon Knight and Chriss and not trade for Melton I guess I understand, but I don't think that was a bad move.

Lin is a HUGE upgrade over any PG on our roster. Different worlds as a basketball players.

I am sorry, but my feeling is that both Melton and Okobo are gonna be out of the league pretty soon. The talent's level is so high at PG that you have to be really good to have a place for consecutive years in the league. They can sign two-way contracts or small deals (like Ulis or Canaan) but I think that they are gonna have a tough time completing more than a couple entire seasons (their current guaranteed contract).

Hopefully I am mistaken, but there are so many good PGs out there...The sad thing is that none of them are on our roster.

[bwgood77]

Hey, let's trade for guys like this !!! LOL.... No way right ?? So why settle for them now ???
Look, they may develop, they may not, but they are not ready now nor will they be for at least a couple more years. Bringing anybody with experience and decent results is huge upgrade....

I want to bring in guys with experience too but it's unlikely to bring in someone good this year with so many teams in the playoff hunt...they are not going to trade useful players. Now if you want a player from the Hawks (Lin), Knicks (Burke), Cavs (?) or Bulls (Shaq Harrison) maybe you can get one of those guys but I don't see them as huge upgrades.

I'd trade Daniels for Burke or Oubre and Bender for Lin but that's not a big upgrade.

Now if you wanted to keep Brandon Knight and Chriss and not trade for Melton I guess I understand, but I don't think that was a bad move.

Lin is a HUGE upgrade over any PG on our roster. Different worlds as a basketball players.

I am sorry, but my feeling is that both Melton and Okobo are gonna be out of the league pretty soon. The talent's level is so high at PG that you have to be really good to have a place for consecutive years in the league. They can sign two-way contracts or small deals (like Ulis or Canaan) but I think that they are gonna have a tough time completing more than a couple entire seasons (their current guaranteed contract).

Hopefully I am mistaken, but there are so many good PGs out there...The sad thing is that none of them are on our roster.

I agree Lin would be a huge upgrade...I guess I was more thinking of the others. I don't see a reason these guy should be out of the league though at their price....we drafted them for a reason. I'm sure we didn't expect them to be studs immediately.

Fox and DSJr were terrible last year getting a lot of minutes and they had huge improvements in the offseason. I see no reason our guys can't improve or why judgments need to be made so fast. Would you have said the same about Fox last year? Or DSJr?

There really isn't a huge difference here, and they have only played less than a third of a season and should get better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAawg

[darealjuice]

Lin is a HUGE upgrade over any PG on our roster. Different worlds as a basketball players.

I am sorry, but my feeling is that both Melton and Okobo are gonna be out of the league pretty soon. The talent's level is so high at PG that you have to be really good to have a place for consecutive years in the league. They can sign two-way contracts or small deals (like Ulis or Canaan) but I think that they are gonna have a tough time completing more than a couple entire seasons (their current guaranteed contract).

Hopefully I am mistaken, but there are so many good PGs out there...The sad thing is that none of them are on our roster.

I agree Lin would be a huge upgrade...I guess I was more thinking of the others. I don't see a reason these guy should be out of the league though at their price....we drafted them for a reason. I'm sure we didn't expect them to be studs immediately.

Fox and DSJr were terrible last year getting a lot of minutes and they had huge improvements in the offseason. I see no reason our guys can't improve or why judgments need to be made so fast. Would you have said the same about Fox last year? Or DSJr?

There really isn't a huge difference here, and they have only played less than a third of a season and should get better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAawg

Melton and Okobo haven't looked too bad for rookies, but the difference in talent is evident just watching them play. They don't have Fox's elite speed or DSJ's elite athleticism to build on. Melton's not a very natural ball handler or distributor, and his shot has been a question mark since USC. Okobo has some potential on offense, but he's been inconsistent with his opportunities and his shot hasn't been as good as expected thus far. I like them, but it's going to be a solid climb to starting-caliber and I don't think they have the same upside guys like DSJ or Fox have regardless of their rookie production.

[Fo-Real]

Lin is a HUGE upgrade over any PG on our roster. Different worlds as a basketball players.

I am sorry, but my feeling is that both Melton and Okobo are gonna be out of the league pretty soon. The talent's level is so high at PG that you have to be really good to have a place for consecutive years in the league. They can sign two-way contracts or small deals (like Ulis or Canaan) but I think that they are gonna have a tough time completing more than a couple entire seasons (their current guaranteed contract).

Hopefully I am mistaken, but there are so many good PGs out there...The sad thing is that none of them are on our roster.

I agree Lin would be a huge upgrade...I guess I was more thinking of the others. I don't see a reason these guy should be out of the league though at their price....we drafted them for a reason. I'm sure we didn't expect them to be studs immediately.

Fox and DSJr were terrible last year getting a lot of minutes and they had huge improvements in the offseason. I see no reason our guys can't improve or why judgments need to be made so fast. Would you have said the same about Fox last year? Or DSJr?

There really isn't a huge difference here, and they have only played less than a third of a season and should get better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAawg

Melton and Okobo haven't looked too bad for rookies, but the difference in talent is evident just watching them play. They don't have Fox's elite speed or DSJ's elite athleticism to build on. Melton's not a very natural ball handler or distributor, and his shot has been a question mark since USC. Okobo has some potential on offense, but he's been inconsistent with his opportunities and his shot hasn't been as good as expected thus far. I like them, but it's going to be a solid climb to starting-caliber and I don't think they have the same upside guys like DSJ or Fox have regardless of their rookie production.

No, not in the same ball park at this time.

[bwgood77]

Lin is a HUGE upgrade over any PG on our roster. Different worlds as a basketball players.

I am sorry, but my feeling is that both Melton and Okobo are gonna be out of the league pretty soon. The talent's level is so high at PG that you have to be really good to have a place for consecutive years in the league. They can sign two-way contracts or small deals (like Ulis or Canaan) but I think that they are gonna have a tough time completing more than a couple entire seasons (their current guaranteed contract).

Hopefully I am mistaken, but there are so many good PGs out there...The sad thing is that none of them are on our roster.

I agree Lin would be a huge upgrade...I guess I was more thinking of the others. I don't see a reason these guy should be out of the league though at their price....we drafted them for a reason. I'm sure we didn't expect them to be studs immediately.

Fox and DSJr were terrible last year getting a lot of minutes and they had huge improvements in the offseason. I see no reason our guys can't improve or why judgments need to be made so fast. Would you have said the same about Fox last year? Or DSJr?

There really isn't a huge difference here, and they have only played less than a third of a season and should get better.

http://bkref.com/tiny/qAawg

Melton and Okobo haven't looked too bad for rookies, but the difference in talent is evident just watching them play. They don't have Fox's elite speed or DSJ's elite athleticism to build on. Melton's not a very natural ball handler or distributor, and his shot has been a question mark since USC. Okobo has some potential on offense, but he's been inconsistent with his opportunities and his shot hasn't been as good as expected thus far. I like them, but it's going to be a solid climb to starting-caliber and I don't think they have the same upside guys like DSJ or Fox have regardless of their rookie production.

I don't think they have the same upside either, which is why those guys were taken in the top 8 last year. But they are playing about as well as rookies. I don't expect either to be long term starters but I'd like one or both to be capable backups, so I don't mind them getting playing time. I'd like someone better to help our young guys develop, but I want to see their development as well unlike many of our recent rookies who didn't develop much during rookie years.