Regular Season Game 41: Orlando Magic (17-23) at Utah Jazz (20-21)

[basketballRob]

I have no doubt that Vuc and possibly Ross will be gone by the deadline.

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[Gomagic44]

I would say there might be a riot in the streets of Amway Center but no one really cares about this team anymore

I can see attendance returning when we become relevant again.

But then again I can also see us moving to Seattle if we don’t become relevant again, and we aren’t even close to being relevant again. 7 years later.


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[OrlandO]

But isn't Vuc a great scorer? Shouldn't he be able to give us more than 20 when we need it?

No, because this team needs him to score more than 20 every game to be competitive... more like 30 to win. If he did that he'd be a superstar. Is that the bar ya'll have raised for Vuc now? Superstar? There isn't a player on this team that makes the game easier for Vuc... just think about that.

Well, you know when you really start building a team? When you get a star. Until then, Vuc is hurting us (winning meaningless games) unless he's used in a trade to net a superstar.

If you don't want to tank and look at teams like Houston as a model, Houston didn't worry about Vuc level players. They traded for Harden then built a team around him. We need to do the same. Package Vuc in a trade for a chance at a young star (D'Angelo, Beal, whoever is available) and see how it goes because we're going nowhere with Vuc.

Oh yeah, let's just trade an expiring Vuc for a star... so easy!

[VFX]

Didn’t watch the game. Didn’t need to. Pointless with this roster.

[thelead]

No, because this team needs him to score more than 20 every game to be competitive... more like 30 to win. If he did that he'd be a superstar. Is that the bar ya'll have raised for Vuc now? Superstar? There isn't a player on this team that makes the game easier for Vuc... just think about that.

Well, you know when you really start building a team? When you get a star. Until then, Vuc is hurting us (winning meaningless games) unless he's used in a trade to net a superstar.

If you don't want to tank and look at teams like Houston as a model, Houston didn't worry about Vuc level players. They traded for Harden then built a team around him. We need to do the same. Package Vuc in a trade for a chance at a young star (D'Angelo, Beal, whoever is available) and see how it goes because we're going nowhere with Vuc.

Oh yeah, let's just trade an expiring Vuc for a star... so easy!

Was Harden a star when Houston traded for him? He was REALLY good but was just showing signs. Vuc+AG+Isaac could get us something decent.

But you know what is not working? What we're doing.

Also, he's a FA, so get what you can.

If you 'lose' the trade, so what? We'll lose more and get a better pick. At this rate Vuc won't be around when we're ready to compete anyway. And oh yeah, we just took a center with the 6th pick.

How many more reasons do you need?

[OrlandO]

Well, you know when you really start building a team? When you get a star. Until then, Vuc is hurting us (winning meaningless games) unless he's used in a trade to net a superstar.

If you don't want to tank and look at teams like Houston as a model, Houston didn't worry about Vuc level players. They traded for Harden then built a team around him. We need to do the same. Package Vuc in a trade for a chance at a young star (D'Angelo, Beal, whoever is available) and see how it goes because we're going nowhere with Vuc.

Oh yeah, let's just trade an expiring Vuc for a star... so easy!

Was Harden a star when Houston traded for him? He was REALLY good but was just showing signs. Vuc+AG+Isaac could get us something decent.

But you know what is not working? What we're doing.

Also, he's a FA, so get what you can.

If you 'lose' the trade, so what? We'll lose more and get a better pick. At this rate Vuc won't be around when we're ready to compete anyway. And oh yeah, we just took a center with the 6th pick.

How many more reasons do you need?

LOL If you're talking about throwing all our assets at a player then stop only talking about Vuc. Or do you think so lowly of AG and Isaac that they get no mention by name? Problem is you will never see that kind of blockbuster trade from our front office, so there's no point obsessing over it... not going to drive myself insane wishing for a massive trade that will never come.

[thelead]

Oh yeah, let's just trade an expiring Vuc for a star... so easy!

Was Harden a star when Houston traded for him? He was REALLY good but was just showing signs. Vuc+AG+Isaac could get us something decent.

But you know what is not working? What we're doing.

Also, he's a FA, so get what you can.

If you 'lose' the trade, so what? We'll lose more and get a better pick. At this rate Vuc won't be around when we're ready to compete anyway. And oh yeah, we just took a center with the 6th pick.

How many more reasons do you need?

LOL If you're talking about throwing all our assets at a player then stop only talking about Vuc. Problem is you will never see that kind of trade from our front office, so there's no point obsessing over it.

So... just accept sucking until Vuc retires then? Or until Hammond hits the lottery and finds another Giannis with a pick in the 8-15 range?

[OrlandO]

Was Harden a star when Houston traded for him? He was REALLY good but was just showing signs. Vuc+AG+Isaac could get us something decent.

But you know what is not working? What we're doing.

Also, he's a FA, so get what you can.

If you 'lose' the trade, so what? We'll lose more and get a better pick. At this rate Vuc won't be around when we're ready to compete anyway. And oh yeah, we just took a center with the 6th pick.

How many more reasons do you need?

LOL If you're talking about throwing all our assets at a player then stop only talking about Vuc. Problem is you will never see that kind of trade from our front office, so there's no point obsessing over it.

So... just accept sucking until Vuc retires then? Or until Hammond hits the lottery and finds another Giannis with a pick in the 8-15 range?

No... just be more realistic? Why get worked up over a blockbuster trade that will never come?

[thelead]

LOL If you're talking about throwing all our assets at a player then stop only talking about Vuc. Problem is you will never see that kind of trade from our front office, so there's no point obsessing over it.

So... just accept sucking until Vuc retires then? Or until Hammond hits the lottery and finds another Giannis with a pick in the 8-15 range?

No... just be more realistic? Why get worked up over a blockbuster trade that will never come?

Because I've been watching the same ish for 7 years... that could be 10% of our entire lives. We all deserve change at this point. Pivot and move away from sunk costs.

[orlando1214]

This roster desperately needs change. The front office has to stop dragging their feet on this. It's time to move on from this core. It hasn't worked out for years now and it makes zero sense to keep trying to make it work. They did Vogel dirty with the "evaluation" year, and now they are screwing Clifford over by expecting him to turn trash into gold.

I'm so done with excuses with this front office, they need to step up and figure something out because this team is going to end up where no team wants to be, out of the playoff but not bad enough to get a top pick. Even worse, our best player and our best bench player can walk for nothing in the offseason. It's time to move on from the core, do everything we can to develop our young guys, and start moving this team in a positive direction. Also, for the love of God get Fournier off this team as soon as possible!

[basketballRob]

This roster desperately needs change. The front office has to stop dragging their feet on this. It's time to move on from this core. It hasn't worked out for years now and it makes zero sense to keep trying to make it work. They did Vogel dirty with the "evaluation" year, and now they are screwing Clifford over by expecting him to turn trash into gold.

I'm so done with excuses with this front office, they need to step up and figure something out because this team is going to end up where no team wants to be, out of the playoff but not bad enough to get a top pick. Even worse, our best player and our best bench player can walk for nothing in the offseason. It's time to move on from the core, do everything we can to develop our young guys, and start moving this team in a positive direction. Also, for the love of God get Fournier off this team as soon as possible!

The problem is maybe other teams don't want our players. I'm sure Welham is getting a good sense of Vucevics value by the trade proposals or the lack of them.

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[MagicStarwipe]

The depression and loser culture is starting to rub off on JI and Bamba. I can see it in their eyes. So much hope to start their careers, and then they end up on this team. Must be tough. Not that I'm saying they're good or anything, so slow your roll pepe and the rest.

Apparently it's just impossible to trade Vuc. Just no way around it. First untradeable player in history.

[Def Swami]

Rinse and repeat

[pepe1991]

60:30 in second half....



Only saw first half, thought Jazz have no depth to do anything ( no PGs but Neto )

[AddiFB]

How in the bloody hot basement does this team keep building huge leads only to blow it and lose by 10-20 points?

This is absolutely laughable. And there won't be anything done to fix this. Watch us make a small trade and be all giddy over nothing.

[Tarheel]

We're weak mentally. No fight. As soon as there is any semblance of pressure we can't get anything going and can't get a shot to drop.

It's becoming a real theme, teams know they can let us build whatever lead we like because they can just turn the pressure up in the second half and we'll fold. It's really frustrating to watch.

On the plus side, liked what I saw from Briscoe and Khem. Hopefully they both get some more minutes moving forward.

Stating the obvious and repeating what many around here have already said, but trades are clearly needed before the deadline whichever path we decide to take.

[drsd]

How in the bloody hot basement does this team keep building huge leads only to blow it and lose by 10-20 points?

This is absolutely laughable. And there won't be anything done to fix this. Watch us make a small trade and be all giddy over nothing.

Because the Magic's bench is poor meaning that the starters are over worked.

For +/- : The Magic bench was : -17, -11, -8, and -19, for an average of -13.75 points.

This was exactly the difference in the score.

[pepe1991]

Evan Fournier played 37 minutes, scoring a grand total of 1 point, without a field goal, assist, or rebound in those 37 minutes. According to basketball-reference.com, he is only the second player in NBA history, and the first in nearly 57 years, to play at least 37 minutes in a game without any field goals, assists, or rebounds. The only other player to have such a dubious stat line was Guy Rodgers of the Philadelphia Warriors in a game against the St. Louis Hawks on February 22nd, 1962 (Rodgers did make two free throws, though). http://bkref.com/tiny/usJav

[MagicFrenchie]

I'm actually ashamed to be the same nationality of this hairless scrub.

Sorry.

[fklt]

seriously, what the hell is going on with this dude.