Official Speculation Thread ‘18-19’: XX: Year of the Vuc

[drsd]

The problem with Isaac on the bench is that it is exclusively about win-now. It is not the best developmental path.

Disagree. Isaac is struggling as a starter right now... settling for bricking jumpers and not hustling for rebounds for whatever reason is awful for his development imo. If coming off the bench gets him to play better then that would be better for his development at this point.

I Annd-1 your disagreement. Because I think win-now is better for the team. Isaac today is a ok bench player, and he is not NBA stater quality, in my opinion.

So: play Issac off of Ross.


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[MagicFan4Lyfe]

I am amazed that fans here think they know more than the professionals running these teams.

And-2 !



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Professionals haven’t been running the Orlando Magic in quite a long time.

[tiderulz]

I am amazed that fans here think they know more than the professionals running these teams.

could we do any worse for a franchise that has been horrible since Dwight left? done traded away the best players for peanuts, done a pretty bad job developing players. Not like anyone in the past 6-7 years has a sterling resume of correct choices made.

[BadHombre]

Yeah, you and Lead bring up some great points. Players do show some flashes of greatness in their first couple years. I think for me personally I see something in both where the physical tools for both are too sexy to ignore and giving up on them as a potential tandem so soon could be a mistake. They don't have to be stars but they can be very impactful on the defensive side of the ball. It is essentially a long game with these two anyway (No Pun intended) so we'll see what they semi become is 2-3 years together whether if they do/don't work out together.

Well, bsed on the interviews with Welman/ Hammond, they seem to be going to picking lengthy players, because they think it will be the next trend in the NBA. Especially with KD and the rise of Giannis, Davis and unicorns like Ben and Embiid.

I really don't think Isaac and Mamba are cornerstone pieces, but I do think they will at least have a solid career in the league. Isaac is getting there, while Bamba I think has shown flashes but a lot of his struggles are really because of his lack of strength.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Strength is an issue for most NBA rookies but a lot of them still find ways to contribute in some way. A lot of his struggles are self inflicted in that he tends to coast through games and not be aggressive. Its why I kept saying "he does nothing good or bad" and it seems as though Cliff saw the same thing when he had to tell him to be aggressive, not to mention scouting reports pointed to his low motor, showing disinterest, lacking aggressiveness.

WEAKNESSES -Thin in his lower body. Still only 216 pounds. Not a very physical guy. -Motor really runs hot and cold. Looks disinterested at times. Walks around, doesn't jog off the court when subbed out. -Needs to play with more toughness to maximize his defensive potential. Gets posted up without much resistance. Defensive fundamentals have room to improve. Bites on fakes. Doesn't take great angles on the perimeter. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress

https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/10/mo-bamba-scouting-report/

One concern I have is his motor. He paces himself from time to time and transition can be an issue, although when he wants to run he can run well.

https://theloopsports.com/2018/05/26/bulls-mo-bamba-scouting-report/

While physically there is no question Bamba has it all (provided he adds some weight), there are questions about his motor and physicality.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mohamed-bamba

he should have been more aggressive at times while playing for the Longhorns ... A solid athlete, but much of his wow factor is due to length and not explosiveness or leaping ability .

http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-mo-bamba.html

Weaknesses
Motor/Effort level (could improve)
Strength (thin frame @ 225 lbs)
Shot selection
Aggressiveness
Turnovers
Efficiency
Limited offensively

I dont think strength has any correlation to improving motor. As stated before I really hope this isn't another Payton scenario where they had to ask him to be more aggressive because when he is aggressive he's effective on both sides. If you go to those sites I listed almost all of the talking points on "Strengths" refer to potential and "having the physical tools" to hopefully one day....

Vucevic was criticised for years about his effort, particularly on the defensive end. He’s looking good now though, at 28.

Of course we’d prefer it if Bamba had the aggressive motor of Bagley.

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

[MoMM]

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

I'd play better at 2 with AD, LeBron, Durant and Harden in my team, but if I play with Iwundu, Grant, Martin and Birch I think it won't work...

[yoyojw17]

True and you could get a player similar to Vuc for less than what he might want next year.

Really? A 20/10 guaranteed double-double that can pass as well as some guards - who are you adding?

Kanter and Len could both average a double double, that's off the top of my head.

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Alex Len.... hmmmm?
Kanter is a 20/10 for sure.... but does he bring the shooting and passing. not quite so much.

I love ross.... but if i was to use one of the two as a trade chip....ross will be much more replaceable. Vuc i hope is one the team next year.... not as replaceable as some may think. He's hitting his prime and those numbers will only get better as this team becomes what they are hoped to be.

[OrlandO]

Some rare news about our 43rd pick!

Read on Twitter

Oh...

Well this is awkward... lakeland magic twitter just deleted their tweet saying jackson was waived and now say they retain his rights for two more seasons...

Read on Twitter

[BadHombre]

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

I'd play better at 2 with AD, LeBron, Durant and Harden in my team, but if I play with Iwundu, Grant, Martin and Birch I think it won't work...

I don’t understand the hyperbole here.

[FFBlitzace]

Do we know what his injury was and if it is related to his prior problems?

[OrlandO]

Do we know what his injury was and if it is related to his prior problems?

He kept missing games due to a "foot contusion," so it probably turned out to be something more serious with his foot.

[pepe1991]

Some rare news about our 43rd pick!

Read on Twitter

Oh...

Well this is awkward... lakeland magic twitter just deleted their tweet saying jackson was waived and now say they retain his rights for two more seasons...

Read on Twitter

ORLANDO MAGIC have his rights

G league roster cut him.

That's how rules go. Not that rights mean anything because we will probably never see him in nba.

[BadHombre]

I am amazed that fans here think they know more than the professionals running these teams.

could we do any worse for a franchise that has been horrible since Dwight left? done traded away the best players for peanuts, done a pretty bad job developing players. Not like anyone in the past 6-7 years has a sterling resume of correct choices made.

Yeah, being professional doesn’t mean you’re the best equipped, it just means you’re paid to do what you do.

WeHam’s lack of changes has been disappointing, but I am hopeful that they learned something whilst helping to assemble the present incarnations of the Raptors and Bucks, and that they can apply that to this team.

[basketballRob]

We have 4 games against Atlanta left, so if we started tanking hard we might be able to catch them at 5th worst. Morant is projected to go 2 in latest mock.

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[Blue_and_Whte]

Well, bsed on the interviews with Welman/ Hammond, they seem to be going to picking lengthy players, because they think it will be the next trend in the NBA. Especially with KD and the rise of Giannis, Davis and unicorns like Ben and Embiid.

I really don't think Isaac and Mamba are cornerstone pieces, but I do think they will at least have a solid career in the league. Isaac is getting there, while Bamba I think has shown flashes but a lot of his struggles are really because of his lack of strength.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Strength is an issue for most NBA rookies but a lot of them still find ways to contribute in some way. A lot of his struggles are self inflicted in that he tends to coast through games and not be aggressive. Its why I kept saying "he does nothing good or bad" and it seems as though Cliff saw the same thing when he had to tell him to be aggressive, not to mention scouting reports pointed to his low motor, showing disinterest, lacking aggressiveness.

WEAKNESSES -Thin in his lower body. Still only 216 pounds. Not a very physical guy. -Motor really runs hot and cold. Looks disinterested at times. Walks around, doesn't jog off the court when subbed out. -Needs to play with more toughness to maximize his defensive potential. Gets posted up without much resistance. Defensive fundamentals have room to improve. Bites on fakes. Doesn't take great angles on the perimeter. - Source: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Mohamed-Bamba-91224/ ©DraftExpress

https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/10/mo-bamba-scouting-report/

One concern I have is his motor. He paces himself from time to time and transition can be an issue, although when he wants to run he can run well.

https://theloopsports.com/2018/05/26/bulls-mo-bamba-scouting-report/

While physically there is no question Bamba has it all (provided he adds some weight), there are questions about his motor and physicality.

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mohamed-bamba

he should have been more aggressive at times while playing for the Longhorns ... A solid athlete, but much of his wow factor is due to length and not explosiveness or leaping ability .

http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-mo-bamba.html

Weaknesses
Motor/Effort level (could improve)
Strength (thin frame @ 225 lbs)
Shot selection
Aggressiveness
Turnovers
Efficiency
Limited offensively

I dont think strength has any correlation to improving motor. As stated before I really hope this isn't another Payton scenario where they had to ask him to be more aggressive because when he is aggressive he's effective on both sides. If you go to those sites I listed almost all of the talking points on "Strengths" refer to potential and "having the physical tools" to hopefully one day....

Vucevic was criticised for years about his effort, particularly on the defensive end. He’s looking good now though, at 28.

Of course we’d prefer it if Bamba had the aggressive motor of Bagley.

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

he was contributing way before this season though. Despite being “unathletic” vooch gets up and down the court and involved in plays. Bamba slowly jogs up the court despite having a “faster sprint than Westbrook”. When was the last time you saw Mo sprinting down court?

Vooch isn’t a guy who flys all over the court by any stretch but he’s involved in the game and contributing to say the least

[basketballRob]

I wholeheartedly disagree with you. Strength is an issue for most NBA rookies but a lot of them still find ways to contribute in some way. A lot of his struggles are self inflicted in that he tends to coast through games and not be aggressive. Its why I kept saying "he does nothing good or bad" and it seems as though Cliff saw the same thing when he had to tell him to be aggressive, not to mention scouting reports pointed to his low motor, showing disinterest, lacking aggressiveness.



https://thefrontofficeeye.com/2018/04/10/mo-bamba-scouting-report/


https://theloopsports.com/2018/05/26/bulls-mo-bamba-scouting-report/


https://www.nbadraft.net/players/mohamed-bamba



http://www.nbascoutingreport.net/player-profiles-mo-bamba.html


I dont think strength has any correlation to improving motor. As stated before I really hope this isn't another Payton scenario where they had to ask him to be more aggressive because when he is aggressive he's effective on both sides. If you go to those sites I listed almost all of the talking points on "Strengths" refer to potential and "having the physical tools" to hopefully one day....

Vucevic was criticised for years about his effort, particularly on the defensive end. He’s looking good now though, at 28.

Of course we’d prefer it if Bamba had the aggressive motor of Bagley.

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

he was contributing way before this season though. Despite being “unathletic” vooch gets up and down the court and involved in plays. Bamba slowly jogs up the court despite having a “faster sprint than Westbrook”. When was the last time you saw Mo sprinting down court?

Vooch isn’t a guy who flys all over the court by any stretch but he’s involved in the game and contributing to say the least

Bamba runs down the court every time.

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[MartinsIzAfraud]

Starting 5 post ASB should be: DJ (incoming trade piece) Isaac, AG, Birch

Bench of: Iwundu, incoming trade piece, Fournier, Briscoe, Bamba

Win 5-9 games and please for the love of God pick an offensively gifted player. Langford, Alexander - Walker, Culver Jr, Garland. ANY of those 4 and I would be pleased as punch!

[Blue_and_Whte]

Vucevic was criticised for years about his effort, particularly on the defensive end. He’s looking good now though, at 28.

Of course we’d prefer it if Bamba had the aggressive motor of Bagley.

One thing to keep in mind is how much more engaged Bamba plays when things are clicking. There have been several games (including the season opener), where the lineups he’s been playing with have been clicking on both ends. His effort levels skyrocket then. Unfortunately for him, he’s mostly paired with a terrible unreliable supporting cast and he doesn’t seem to have the mentality to overcome that himself.

he was contributing way before this season though. Despite being “unathletic” vooch gets up and down the court and involved in plays. Bamba slowly jogs up the court despite having a “faster sprint than Westbrook”. When was the last time you saw Mo sprinting down court?

Vooch isn’t a guy who flys all over the court by any stretch but he’s involved in the game and contributing to say the least

Bamba runs down the court every time.

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No he doesn’t. You’re either a blatant liar or watching a different team. He jogs up court against everyone and takes multiple plays off. You just refuse to acknowledge that I’m 100% right.

[basketballRob]

he was contributing way before this season though. Despite being “unathletic” vooch gets up and down the court and involved in plays. Bamba slowly jogs up the court despite having a “faster sprint than Westbrook”. When was the last time you saw Mo sprinting down court?

Vooch isn’t a guy who flys all over the court by any stretch but he’s involved in the game and contributing to say the least

Bamba runs down the court every time.

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No he doesn’t. You’re either a blatant liar or watching a different team. He jogs up court against everyone and takes multiple plays off.

He tries to beat his man down the court every time. You're trying to make something out of nothing.

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[basketballRob]

Not sure Clifford was the right coach at this time. They should've went harder at Billups or Stackhouse.

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[magicman112]

Not sure Clifford was the right coach at this time. They should've went harder at Billups or Stackhouse.

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Coaching is not the problem. This is just a plain badly constructed team and the players leading it are not leaders.