Official Trade Thread -- Part XXXVII

[bsilver]

You want to trade the guy you picked in R1 6 months ago for a rental of a veteran minimum player?? Wow...!

Ernie would do it

Both our GM and coach are under enormous pressure to win a playoff series. Simons is a year away from being a year away and given the teams goals is stuck behind McCollum, Turner, Curry and Stauskas in the rotation. Green is a smart vet who has a lot of experience and he's cheap. With Harkless gimpy and mercurial it makes some sense for the Blazers.

Other than his being a 1st round pick, have you seen anything in Simons to make him a target? He really hasn't shown anything so far. But having a PER of -3.5 is impressive.

[payitforward]

...First of all, we can't really have that conversation because of tampering rules. ...
The only real downside is that I'd really like to retain Jeff Green next year, more than I want Woods as a backup center. I think Green is a real stabilizing influence at a position of need. I don't know what kind of relationship the team has with him, but if it's good, maybe they can lure him back next summer after renting him to Milwaukee for a playoff run.

I didn't think of that conversation as crossing any lines into tampering, but then... I don't know where that line is located!

I think Woods is playing the 4, btw.... Could be wrong about that as well.

Naturally, the objection to your last concern is the same as your objection to giving an asset for a guy who will be unrestricted at the end of the season -- Green will field offers in the off season & no doubt take the best one. He's nearing the end of his career; there won't be any multi-million $ a year salaries in the future! He'd be foolish not to maximize his wealth while he can.

I'm pretty sure we've rung out this washcloth pretty thoroughly!

[nate33]

Naturally, the objection to your last concern is the same as your objection to giving an asset for a guy who will be unrestricted at the end of the season -- Green will field offers in the off season & no doubt take the best one. He's nearing the end of his career; there won't be any multi-million $ a year salaries in the future! He'd be foolish not to maximize his wealth while he can.

Oh, I agree. I'm not saying we should keep Green because it might give us some tiny advantage in resigning him, because I don't think there is any noteworthy advantage. I'm just saying if we trade him for value at the Trade Deadline (such as for a 2nd round pick), I'd still like to give him a call in the offseason and see if he'd come back next year.

[payitforward]

Both our GM and coach are under enormous pressure to win a playoff series. Simons is a year away from being a year away and given the teams goals is stuck behind McCollum, Turner, Curry and Stauskas in the rotation. Green is a smart vet who has a lot of experience and he's cheap. With Harkless gimpy and mercurial it makes some sense for the Blazers.

Other than his being a 1st round pick, have you seen anything in Simons to make him a target? He really hasn't shown anything so far. But having a PER of -3.5 is impressive.

Come on now! The kid is 19 years old. As to having shown anything... he's played 47 minutes. 47 bad minutes, admittedly. Very bad minutes.

All the same, I think that if a GM picked a guy #24 in the draft in June, then trades him the following January for a vet minimum rent-a-player, that GM might look forward to being fired pretty soon!

IOW, it's not going to happen.

[gambitx777]

It's the pre dead line lul

[Sactowndog]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

[youngWizzy]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

Sure he makes a lot of money. But we want him for the same reason you want him which we both know is obvious. Get out of here with the 15 ppg nonsense, his value is beyond the box score. Hes a winner.

[Sactowndog]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

Sure he makes a lot of money. But we want him for the same reason you want him which we both know is obvious. Get out of here with the 15 ppg nonsense, his value is beyond the box score. Hes a winner.

Look not here to argue but 18-25 team record and 8 points in 30 min = winner???? Maybe it’s because Porter is a Georgetown kid in Washington.

We literally have no one at SF and lots of cap space. Not sure we are in analagous situations.

[nate33]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

Go look at his advanced stats, like WS/48, ORTG, and BPM. Compare him to other top forwards over the past 3 years. Report back to us with your findings.

[Sactowndog]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

Go look at his advanced stats, like WS/48, ORTG, and BPM. Compare him to other top forwards over the past 3 years. Report back to us with your findings.

Already did. Yes his advanced stats are better. But it’s still a ton of money for a guy coming off the bench.

[Eli Babak]

Help me understand something guys? Why the heavy Porter love here? You are paying a ton of money for a guy who doesn’t start and can’t score more than 15 ppg. It seems like he would be the first guy you want to move to get under the cap.

Go look at his advanced stats, like WS/48, ORTG, and BPM. Compare him to other top forwards over the past 3 years. Report back to us with your findings.

Already did. Yes his advanced stats are better. But it’s still a ton of money for a guy coming off the bench.

Sigh. He's been a starter for few years and has been coming off the bench because 1) he was injured and 2) so far it's worked. He should start soon again and Brooks has to be smarter with rotations.

Simply: you don't trade a good player only for cap relief and some junk. Wall's contract and Terdie are the biggest problems here.

[MoMM]

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

[ozthegap]

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

A corporate ousting of Ted Leonis?

[pcbothwel]

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

Too much. Top 5 SG with his abilities + work ethic are Very rare. Absolute pros pro.

Issac + multiple picks


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[Ruzious]

Realistically, chance of trading Wall = zero (contract extension), chance of trading Beal = barely more than zero (He's our star and chance at the playoffs), chance of trading Porter = growing every day that he plays passively on offense while Ariza and Green splash 3's and score 20 each. We need to start taking Otto trade ideas seriously. Rico, we need you!

[MoMM]

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

Too much. Top 5 SG with his abilities + work ethic are Very rare. Absolute pros pro.

Issac + multiple picks


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Would you trade for Gordon + picks, or Isaac + Fournier + picks? Salaries must match, that's why I had to add Gordon or Fournier (but if you prefer Mozgov, be our guest lol).

We have our 1st round picks, 1st round pick from Thunder in 2020 and Cavs 2nd round pick in 2019 (probably #31).

[nate33]

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

Too much. Top 5 SG with his abilities + work ethic are Very rare. Absolute pros pro.

Issac + multiple picks


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Would you trade for Gordon + picks, or Isaac + Fournier + picks? Salaries must match, that's why I had to add Gordon or Fournier (but if you prefer Mozgov, be our guest lol).

We have our 1st round picks, 1st round pick from Thunder in 2020 and Cavs 2nd round pick in 2019 (probably #31).

I have no interest in trading Beal whatsoever. I don't think there's a package Orlando can offer that would entice me. I'm not saying Orlando can't put together a package that's fair, it's just that there's no motivation for us to move Beal for equal value. Beal is awesome, and as pcbothwel put it, he's a pro's pro. He brings it every night, and every offseason he works to add something new to his game. He's only 25 years old. Why would we want to trade him?

The only way I'd change my mind is if Beal quietly requested a trade. Until then, I'd only be interested in trading him in a deal that, due to another team's desperation, is lopsided in our favor. Something like Beal for Ben Simmons is what I'm talking about.

[Shoe]

The all-star game is after the trade deadline btw. Cannot see the Wiz trading their only representative, who is playing their best basketball since Arenas. As well I cannot see Beal asking for a trade this off-season but I bet he'll start thinking about it. His numbers take too big of a hit with Wall for not being on a winning team.

What do you want for Beal? Magic fan here.

Too much. Top 5 SG with his abilities + work ethic are Very rare. Absolute pros pro.

Issac + multiple picks


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Would you trade for Gordon + picks, or Isaac + Fournier + picks? Salaries must match, that's why I had to add Gordon or Fournier (but if you prefer Mozgov, be our guest lol).

We have our 1st round picks, 1st round pick from Thunder in 2020 and Cavs 2nd round pick in 2019 (probably #31).

Can't see it happening but I imagine Mo Bamba would need to be in it.

[nate33]

The all-star game is after the trade deadline btw. Cannot see the Wiz trading their only representative, who is playing their best basketball since Arenas. As well I cannot see Beal asking for a trade this off-season but I bet he'll start thinking about it. His numbers take too big of a hit with Wall for not being on a winning team.

Too much. Top 5 SG with his abilities + work ethic are Very rare. Absolute pros pro.

Issac + multiple picks


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Would you trade for Gordon + picks, or Isaac + Fournier + picks? Salaries must match, that's why I had to add Gordon or Fournier (but if you prefer Mozgov, be our guest lol).

We have our 1st round picks, 1st round pick from Thunder in 2020 and Cavs 2nd round pick in 2019 (probably #31).

Can't see it happening but I imagine Mo Bamba would need to be in it.

Beal had his best season in 2016-17 when Wall was healthy and having his best year. I hardly think that Beal has concluded that he can't coexist with a healthy Wall.

What can't happen is Wall playing half-assed because he is hurt.

[Shoe]

The all-star game is after the trade deadline btw. Cannot see the Wiz trading their only representative, who is playing their best basketball since Arenas. As well I cannot see Beal asking for a trade this off-season but I bet he'll start thinking about it. His numbers take too big of a hit with Wall for not being on a winning team.

Would you trade for Gordon + picks, or Isaac + Fournier + picks? Salaries must match, that's why I had to add Gordon or Fournier (but if you prefer Mozgov, be our guest lol).

We have our 1st round picks, 1st round pick from Thunder in 2020 and Cavs 2nd round pick in 2019 (probably #31).

Can't see it happening but I imagine Mo Bamba would need to be in it.

Beal had his best season in 2016-17 when Wall was healthy and having his best year. I hardly think that Beal has concluded that he can't coexist with a healthy Wall.

What can't happen is Wall playing half-assed because he is hurt.

True. But Beal is shooting .50% worse from 3 than in 2016, and his average without Wall this year is around 27 ppg. Beal doesn't dislike Wall at all, the opposite, plus I doubt he'll ask for a trade this off-season. But this stretch of 29 ppg will definitely linger if Wall continues his sub par play into next year. Only postulating of course.