Pacers Plan On Retaining Bojan Bogdanovic

[Gooner]

If he is strong contributor... where would we be with better point guard...

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Who knows, it depends on the particular point guard. For example, i think someone like Terry Rozier would be much worse fit on this team than Collison. I don't see some realistic targets that are significantly better than DC.

[Vorda]

If he is strong contributor... where would we be with better point guard...

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Who knows, it depends on the particular point guard. For example, i think someone like Terry Rozier would be much worse fit on this team than Collison. I don't see some realistic targets that are significantly better than DC.

We need better defender and passer... 5 asist is to low... we need to go hard on Kemba, cause we dont have trade value players and there is no other PG free agnets

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[Pacers_Freak]

If he is strong contributor... where would we be with better point guard...

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Who knows, it depends on the particular point guard. For example, i think someone like Terry Rozier would be much worse fit on this team than Collison. I don't see some realistic targets that are significantly better than DC.

We need better defender and passer... 5 asist is to low... we need to go hard on Kemba, cause we dont have trade value players and there is no other PG free agnets

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Assist numbers are a bad topic for DC. First of all he's only playing 27 minutes a game. So that is going to bring his assists down. Secondly, he plays with Vic and who has the ball in their hands every position? Vic. Hard to get assists when you don't handle it much. There is a lot more to basketball than a stat line.

No one is trying to say Kemba wouldn't be an upgrade. I'm sure the FO will do everything in their power to bring a guy like him in. Easier said than done. We have what we have now and DC is starting to shot it better which is only going to help our offense.

[Tom White]

Also, if we're looking at stats, how's this one: his RPM is dead last among all Pacers who received significant playing time this season. Yup, even DC and Tyreke and Doug all have a much better RPM than him - he's at -0.50, and the next worse rotational player is Doug at -0.16, which is quite the gap

All you re doing now is moving the goalposts when people disprove your previous arguments. It is almost like you are looking for someone to blame for the recent losses. You are blindly throwing a dart and it landed on Bogie.

[Pacers_Freak]

All you need to know about RPM is Bjelica is ranked right behind Vic.

[Topofthekey]

All you re doing now is moving the goalposts when people disprove your previous arguments. It is almost like you are looking for someone to blame for the recent losses. You are blindly throwing a dart and it landed on Bogie.

Sorry, what?

First of all, I don't the see previous posts as anything that needs to be "proven" or "disproven" - they were just interesting discussions about the topic in question, regarding Bogie. I enjoyed typing my posts as much as I enjoyed reading the responses

Secondly, what do you mean I am shifting the goal posts?

I started the discussion by asserting that the optimal move for Pacers is to trade Bogie by the trade deadline. I then explained why - mainly because I don't feel he is good enough as a supporting scorer or a shooter to space the floor, and Pacers can probably get some value for him. I went on to present a few ideas on how to proceed, regarding trading Bogie and upgrading the SF position

It's fine if you disagree. Someone obviously did, and responded by replying to my post, bringing in some stats in support of Bogie

My response to that was the stats weren't wrong, but context is also important - aka stats don't tell the whole story. I illustrated this by bringing up some other stats, the RPM ratings of several Pacers - for which Bogie ranked dead last, which served to reinforce my point that we can't pass judgement based on stats alone. I also clarified my intention, why was to see Pacers getting some value from Bogie

And then bam, you're here saying I'm moving the goal posts. Whaaat?

As for scapegoating Bogie, my opinion of him has never been very high - in the past I've suggested sliding Thad to SF, and more recently I have suggested letting Doug start at SF. In fact, my evaluation of him earlier in this thread was basically: Bogie- not good enough to keep for long term, not terrible enough to warrant an immediate replacement. So no, there were no darts and spinning wheel involved

[Tom White]

Sorry, what?

First of all, I don't the see previous posts as anything that needs to be "proven" or "disproven" - they were just interesting discussions about the topic in question, regarding Bogie. I enjoyed typing my posts as much as I enjoyed reading the responses

I don't really want to make a big deal out of this, because frankly I enjoy your posts as well.

Secondly, what do you mean I am shifting the goal posts?

OK. You were talking about him having inconsistent play and not being that good of a shooter. Then his actual consistency and shooting accuracy was pointed out by others. You then dropped that line of thought for another stat. That is what I mean by moving the goal posts.

So no, there were no darts and spinning wheel involved

To be honest, throwing darts was likely a bad analogy and casts a bad light on a perfectly fine game. And the only spinning wheel I know was a pretty good song by Blood, Sweat & Tears in the late sixties.

The only problem I have with Bogie, if you can call it a problem, is him getting technical fouls of late. That seems out of character for him and points to some sort of frustration on his part. I've always preferred our players leave the complaining to the coaches.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sorry, what?

First of all, I don't the see previous posts as anything that needs to be "proven" or "disproven" - they were just interesting discussions about the topic in question, regarding Bogie. I enjoyed typing my posts as much as I enjoyed reading the responses

I don't really want to make a big deal out of this, because frankly I enjoy your posts as well.

Secondly, what do you mean I am shifting the goal posts?

OK. You were talking about him having inconsistent play and not being that good of a shooter. Then his actual consistency and shooting accuracy was pointed out by others. You then dropped that line of thought for another stat. That is what I mean by moving the goal posts.

So no, there were no darts and spinning wheel involved

To be honest, throwing darts was likely a bad analogy and casts a bad light on a perfectly fine game. And the only spinning wheel I know was a pretty good song by Blood, Sweat & Tears in the late sixties.

The only problem I have with Bogie, if you can call it a problem, is him getting technical fouls of late. That seems out of character for him and points to some sort of frustration on his part. I've always preferred our players leave the complaining to the coaches.

And 1 just for the BS&T reference...

[Jake0890]

Bojan is having a career year. Career high in field goal percentage, points, and three point percentage. He is the only consistent wing player and floor spacer we have.

Anyone honing in on him as an issue with this time is very off base.

[AussiePacer]

Well, "supporting scorer" can be quite an arbitrary concept that is open to definition, so it's reasonable that there are differing opinions on whether Bogie is a good supporting scorer. I suppose it depends on context, as in the team that he is on

and yet just today an article on the Athletic calls him our second best player.

Link?

[AussiePacer]

I don't follow muc media and largely just watch us play. I've rated Bogie this season. I'd like him to be more clutch at times, but he's a consistent shooter who draws a defender and is capable putting the ball on the ground. His D is sold enough. I'm actually very keen to retain him and think we will be able to do so at a reasonable price. He's a good team man and seems well liked.

[Wizop]

Well, "supporting scorer" can be quite an arbitrary concept that is open to definition, so it's reasonable that there are differing opinions on whether Bogie is a good supporting scorer. I suppose it depends on context, as in the team that he is on

and yet just today an article on the Athletic calls him our second best player.

Link?

its theathletic.com but it's a pay site. there is a free week and often discounts.

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