The Knicks Scenario

[Andrew McCeltic]

Any precedent for a pending free agent publicly committing to re-sign at the start of his last contracted season, then changing his mind?

[ConstableGeneva]

I guess this isn't the Worry-Free Kyrie Irving Thread?



Was this the beginning of the end?!?

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[Taget]

Current Knicks management is competent. This has happened before and each time James Dolan has come in and mucked things up. And that is not lost on anyone.

That said the Knicks are a storied franchise and due to Dolan's incompetence it has been rare for them to have the money to attract a top free agent. And rarer still for them not to muck things up and offer salaries to players who are not washed up. NYC and Madison Square Garden are desirable locations. The Knicks situation post-Van Gundy has not really been all that desirable.

My take is like a lot of players the Celtics mystique is hard for Kyrie to pass up. He's with a franchise that can make him a legend. And he has free reign over it and is the undisputed leader. We have had turbulence and have not been the top seed we thought we might be. But let's not undersell ourselves either. We have the pieces to get it done. Whether it is figuring out how to make the current roster work better or trade pieces for other pieces. We are not in cap hell. We do not have a toxic environment or culture. We have a good coach and a good GM. And Danny is not afraid to shake things up. Something players (as long as they are not the ones being traded!) respect him for.

We have a lot going for us. Let's not sell ourselves short or assume Kyrie is going to for that matter.

[captain green]

I mean who else is there to sign irving and Durant. Those are the golden Boys this year.
As each weird little thing happens I know this much I want the roster trimmed. Hayward injury put this whole thing in the injury bug mode and since we changed trainer and doctors we've been dinged up and not able to get rythm. But I feel were good still. New York can get one not 2 I'm more concerned with bucks and pacers.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

If they dump salary at the deadline, then I'll worry. But until then, I won't lose any sleep over it.

[Tai]

It also assumes they can get rid of their trash contracts without giving up any assets. If it happened, which is almost impossible, their roster would be utter trash after the top 3.

There is another team in the same market that we have an easier time making it work

The Nets don't have Porzingis, a top 5 pick and aren't getting KD, though.

The Knicks could also easily liquidate Hardaway and Lee, IMO. Trading Hardaway would probably even land them a pick in the process.

I think the rosters are almost irrelevant, they wouldn't leave their current teams if that was important.

They both leave their current situations for non basketball reasons in my opinion. The scary part is me actually seeing it as an option for both

Just to clarify, who's leaving their situation for non-basketball reasons?

[CelticsLV]

Yeah, I'm not worried about the Knicks.

Me neither. The Post and other media outlets there seem to grasp at any narrative (like Kyrie's comments last night) and try to sway belief that their team will rise again one day. Don't see it happening.

You mean like LeBron to the Lakers?

[ermocrate]

I think the only reason why Kyrie may possibili want to leave are *bleep* callin Tatum or even Smart the best player on the team, He is the absolute SStar here and one of the more experienced player in the league in terms of winning.

[Jaqua92]

Im worried Brad's non-championship winning sharing offense will drive Kyrie out of town.

If he leaves this offseason...and the team doesnt get it together, not a good look for Brad.

Young players and Brad not reigning them in is the problem. Brad seems like he prefers to coach younger players

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[Jakeopp]

Im worried Brad's non-championship winning sharing offense will drive Kyrie out of town.

If he leaves this offseason...and the team doesnt get it together, not a good look for Brad.

Young players and Brad not reigning them in is the problem. Brad seems like he prefers to coach younger players

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What suggests that Kyrie wants the ball more? I thought he was big on passing and getting his teammates involved now?

[La Flame]

Lol. The best player they'll get in FA is NY native Tobias Harris, who's pretty good but cmon. KD and Kyrie?

[Revived]

Kyrie didn’t secretly go and tell Ainge he will re-sign. He did it with a mic in front of thousands of fans and several million others on television.

There is no chance he doesn’t re-sign after doing that.

It would almost be like LeBron not signing with the Heat after announcing on “The Decision” that he’s gonna sign with the Heat.

[Gooner]

It's possible, as it's becoming more apparent that Kyrie is losing some respect for Brad Stevens. That last shot situation wasn't just about last shot, it was the microcosm of the whole season. There is no hierarchy, everybody has the green light, Kyrie isn't respected enough as the leader by Brad Stevens, and that final play was just the final straw.

I think Brad really prefers having a team without a star, where there isn't a lot of pressure, and he can draw his cute little plays, and make his team overachieve, but never really be a contender. I think it would be a relief for him if Kyrie left.

[Gooner]

Kyrie didn’t secretly go and tell Ainge he will re-sign. He did it with a mic in front of thousands of fans and several million others on television.

There is no chance he doesn’t re-sign after doing that.

It would almost be like LeBron not signing with the Heat after announcing on “The Decision” that he’s gonna sign with the Heat.

Yeah, but remember what Kyrie said, he'll resign, if they "want" him. And once again, i'm not so sure Brad wants him. When he talks about Kyrie, he usually talks in superlatives, and sometimes he jokingly says stuff like his unbelievable performances are the product of "good coaching".

But i think that could be something that bothers Brad, as he was the main star of the team before, and he could draw up some intricate plays, to help his players, who were not really stars. But Kyrie doesn't need that help, he can give you buckets, just by giving him the ball, and that's where Brad feels he loses some of his influence, as Kyrie becomes the star, and he keeps the game more simple.

Everybody talks about the players wanting to be stars, and trying to get theirs in limited touches, but there could also be the same issue with Brad. With a guy like Kyrie, he becomes less of a star aswell.

[ChaosHamster]

Spoiler:

[jirrit]

I honestly thought you were trolling. I dont really see this.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Kyrie kind of boxed himself in following his public comments. Leaving after saying that and filming commercials talking about retiring his number is absolutely a nightmare from a PR perspective.

[ermocrate]

Kyrie didn’t secretly go and tell Ainge he will re-sign. He did it with a mic in front of thousands of fans and several million others on television.

There is no chance he doesn’t re-sign after doing that.

It would almost be like LeBron not signing with the Heat after announcing on “The Decision” that he’s gonna sign with the Heat.

Yeah, but remember what Kyrie said, he'll resign, if they "want" him. And once again, i'm not so sure Brad wants him. When he talks about Kyrie, he usually talks in superlatives, and sometimes he jokingly says stuff like his unbelievable performances are the product of "good coaching".

But i think that could be something that bothers Brad, as he was the main star of the team before, and he could draw up some intricate plays, to help his players, who were not really stars. But Kyrie doesn't need that help, he can give you buckets, just by giving him the ball, and that's where Brad feels he loses some of his influence, as Kyrie becomes the star, and he keeps the game more simple.

Everybody talks about the players wanting to be stars, and trying to get theirs in limited touches, but there could also be the same issue with Brad. With a guy like Kyrie, he becomes less of a star aswell.

That would be stupid from Stevens’ part, I think DA should give a strong signal and trade for AD. I don’t think Brown, Tatum, Smart, Rozier will all renounce their egos to help the team win the right way. This his Kyrie’s team, he takes the blame if we lose, he decides who makes the winning shot, either that or he will be probably out. I think most of us did forget how the things have to go when you have a SStar on the team... Either Bird or Pierce where the ones calling the last shot.

[SmartWentCrazy]

Starting to worry about this, the more that Durant to the Knicks rumors start to surface. Knicks can conceivably get to double max cap room land, and KD and Kyrie are pretty good friends. Kyrie would obviously love to play on a top Knicks team, too. What is worse is that the Knicks in the running for a top pick as well.

Money would be tight, but with cap maneuvering and dumping Courtney Lee and Hardaway, it is possible that Knicks could end up with:

Kyrie/Ntilikina
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KD/Knox
Zion
Porzingis/Mitchell Robinson

No likey, even if the Knicks end up with RJ Barrett instead of Zion.

The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

[ddb]

Starting to worry about this, the more that Durant to the Knicks rumors start to surface. Knicks can conceivably get to double max cap room land, and KD and Kyrie are pretty good friends. Kyrie would obviously love to play on a top Knicks team, too. What is worse is that the Knicks in the running for a top pick as well.

Money would be tight, but with cap maneuvering and dumping Courtney Lee and Hardaway, it is possible that Knicks could end up with:

Kyrie/Ntilikina
---
KD/Knox
Zion
Porzingis/Mitchell Robinson

No likey, even if the Knicks end up with RJ Barrett instead of Zion.

Boston is committed to Kyrie above anyone else on the roster. Ainge knows Kyrie is his key to great things like AD and who knows what else. If Kyrie is DL pissed at certain guys on the roster, Ainge is going to move guys before losing Kyrie.
I'm not worried about NY.



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