2018/19 ROY/Rookie Discussion Thread (Pt 2)

[nolang1]

Seriously though, it seems like every highly touted rookie has been playing at a high level recently.

There were 3 freshmen named 1st team all-america (which had never happened before), Luka was the most accomplished international prospect ever, and on top of that guys like Carter and Jackson were having crazy efficient seasons for players that young. The idea that this draft would be lackluster because most of the top players were bigs was probably even worse than assuming Luka wouldn't be good because he's European.

[Goudelock]

Doncic really is incredible

His inevitable 40 point triple double in early April will crash this site and cause the creation of a million "Luka Doncic VS PlayerX" threads on the PC board during the offseason.

[Oscar9992]

Good game from Luka vs Warriors, personally guarded by Klay most of the game...

26 Pts, 6 Rebs & 5 Assists

Watch on YouTube

[Texas Chuck]

Doncic really is incredible

His inevitable 40 point triple double in early April will crash this site and cause the creation of a million "Luka Doncic VS PlayerX" threads on the PC board during the offseason.

This is true and terrible.

[Goudelock]

Doncic really is incredible

His inevitable 40 point triple double in early April will crash this site and cause the creation of a million "Luka Doncic VS PlayerX" threads on the PC board during the offseason.

This is true and terrible.

And heaven forbid that he goes for a 50 piece. This site may never recover from that.

[Texas Chuck]

His inevitable 40 point triple double in early April will crash this site and cause the creation of a million "Luka Doncic VS PlayerX" threads on the PC board during the offseason.

This is true and terrible.

And heaven forbid that he goes for a 50 piece. This site may never recover from that.

I know my little Mavs got a reason for hope for the first time since the title, and people aren't going to let me enjoy him.

[Feel_the_Heat15]

Knox looks like the next Jabari Parker. Might actually be worse defensively.

...yeah because all one and done rookies are fully developed half way into their rookie years.

I'm just making a good guess.

[Pachinko_]

This is true and terrible.

And heaven forbid that he goes for a 50 piece. This site may never recover from that.

I know my little Mavs got a reason for hope for the first time since the title, and people aren't going to let me enjoy him.

Of course they won't, that's what people do. Just ignore them and go spazz anyway

[King Ken]

Trae also played very good... 26 Pts, 11 Rebs & 4 Assists

Watch on YouTube

Played much better in the rematch. That tends to be the trend with Trae. He sees you once and makes adjustments in how to attack. It was tough to create for others today because of how Milwaukee was defending and how quick they recover so Trae was aggressive in terms of finishing and had a good day efficiency wise for a PG (7/16). He battled on the boards which was the gameplan and got 10 boards. Just a good day. 4 turnovers but some of those turnovers weren't his fault. He played much better.

[Riko]

Great rookie class overall, there are at least 20 players capable of play in the starting unit of an NBA team. Plus all the second rounder who will explode in the next few years...
Really impressive stuff, imho.

[mcmurphy]

Interesting stats:

This seasons Doncic has:

- 8 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 43ft distance (0/8 3P%, 0.000)
- 6 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 28ft to 38ft distance (2/6 3P%, 0.333)
- 7 3PA with max 0.03 sec remaining at end of periods from 3P line to 27ft (5/7 3P%, 0.714)

Almost 8% of all 3PA of Doncic were with less of 3 secs (only 2-3 shots at 3secs, other all to 0.00-0:01) at the end of periods.

[nikster]

Good game from Luka vs Warriors, personally guarded by Klay most of the game...

26 Pts, 6 Rebs & 5 Assists

Watch on YouTube

Great game, it’s crazy that a rookie can go to work in the post in a seasoned defender like Klay. Also that behind the back dribble to split 2 defenders at 1:18 was beautiful

[e_l_f_o]

Good game from Luka vs Warriors, personally guarded by Klay most of the game...

26 Pts, 6 Rebs & 5 Assists

Watch on YouTube

Great game, it’s crazy that a rookie can go to work in the post in a seasoned defender like Klay. Also that behind the back dribble to split 2 defenders at 1:18 was beautiful

Loved the step back 3s vs Iggy and KD

[Johnny Firpo]

Interesting stats:

This seasons Doncic has:

- 8 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 43ft distance (0/8 3P%, 0.000)
- 6 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 28ft to 38ft distance (2/6 3P%, 0.333)
- 7 3PA with max 0.03 sec remaining at end of periods from 3P line to 27ft (5/7 3P%, 0.714)

Almost 8% of all 3PA of Doncic were with less of 3 secs (only 2-3 shots at 3secs, other all to 0.00-0:01) at the end of periods.

He heaves it a lot. Another thing I quite like about him, he doesn't care about his %s.

[mcmurphy]

Interesting stats:

This seasons Doncic has:

- 8 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 43ft distance (0/8 3P%, 0.000)
- 6 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 28ft to 38ft distance (2/6 3P%, 0.333)
- 7 3PA with max 0.03 sec remaining at end of periods from 3P line to 27ft (5/7 3P%, 0.714)

Almost 8% of all 3PA of Doncic were with less of 3 secs (only 2-3 shots at 3secs, other all to 0.00-0:01) at the end of periods.

He heaves it a lot. Another thing I quite like about him, he doesn't care about his %s.

is not only that:

for example Lillard shooted 45 3PA over 28ft but of these only 4 of 45 with less of 0.03 sec remaining

Doncic shooted 23 3PA over 28ft but of these 13 of 23 with less of 0.03 sec remaining (5 of 15 eliminating the heaves)

He is not even put in the best conditions by his teammates.

[Young gun 6]

Interesting stats:

This seasons Doncic has:

- 8 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 43ft distance (0/8 3P%, 0.000)
- 6 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 28ft to 38ft distance (2/6 3P%, 0.333)
- 7 3PA with max 0.03 sec remaining at end of periods from 3P line to 27ft (5/7 3P%, 0.714)

Almost 8% of all 3PA of Doncic were with less of 3 secs (only 2-3 shots at 3secs, other all to 0.00-0:01) at the end of periods.

He heaves it a lot. Another thing I quite like about him, he doesn't care about his %s.

What I don’t get is that Doncic has taken 8 shots over 43 feet which you can find in the shooting index at basketball reference but the same website has him as attempting 1 heave for the season.

Are there classifications of a heave literally the type of shot rather than a distance I wonder?

Maybe 50+ feet with the actual motion of a heave rather than a standard jump shot.

Confusing to say the least anyway.

[mcmurphy]

Interesting stats:

This seasons Doncic has:

- 8 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 43ft distance (0/8 3P%, 0.000)
- 6 3PA with max 0.01 sec remaining at end of periods from at least 28ft to 38ft distance (2/6 3P%, 0.333)
- 7 3PA with max 0.03 sec remaining at end of periods from 3P line to 27ft (5/7 3P%, 0.714)

Almost 8% of all 3PA of Doncic were with less of 3 secs (only 2-3 shots at 3secs, other all to 0.00-0:01) at the end of periods.

He heaves it a lot. Another thing I quite like about him, he doesn't care about his %s.

What I don’t get is that Doncic has taken 8 shots over 43 feet which you can find in the shooting index at basketball reference but the same website has him as attempting 1 heave for the season.

Are there classifications of a heave literally the type of shot rather than a distance I wonder?

Maybe 50+ feet with the actual motion of a heave rather than a standard jump shot.

Confusing to say the least anyway.

in the glossary on BBRef say:
"Heave attempts (beyond half-court)"

but Doncic has made 5 shot over 62ft so maybe BBRef heave attempt is not correct

[Young gun 6]

He heaves it a lot. Another thing I quite like about him, he doesn't care about his %s.

What I don’t get is that Doncic has taken 8 shots over 43 feet which you can find in the shooting index at basketball reference but the same website has him as attempting 1 heave for the season.

Are there classifications of a heave literally the type of shot rather than a distance I wonder?

Maybe 50+ feet with the actual motion of a heave rather than a standard jump shot.

Confusing to say the least anyway.

in the glossary on BBRef say:
"Heave attempts (beyond half-court)"

but Doncic has made 5 shot over 62ft so maybe BBRef heave attempt is not correct

Attempted 5 you mean?

Yeah it makes no sense at all, half court is like 47 feet yet 1 heave but 7 shots over 47 feet :s

[mcmurphy]

What I don’t get is that Doncic has taken 8 shots over 43 feet which you can find in the shooting index at basketball reference but the same website has him as attempting 1 heave for the season.

Are there classifications of a heave literally the type of shot rather than a distance I wonder?

Maybe 50+ feet with the actual motion of a heave rather than a standard jump shot.

Confusing to say the least anyway.

in the glossary on BBRef say:
"Heave attempts (beyond half-court)"

but Doncic has made 5 shot over 62ft so maybe BBRef heave attempt is not correct

Attempted 5 you mean?

Yeah it makes no sense at all, half court is like 47 feet yet 1 heave but 7 shots over 47 feet :s

look at this
https://stats.nba.com/events/?flag=3&CFID=33&CFPARAMS=2018-19&PlayerID=1629029&TeamID=0&GameID=&ContextMeasure=FG3A&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&LeagueID=00&PerMode=Totals&Split=general&PlusMinus=N&PaceAdjust=N&Rank=N&Outcome=&Location=&Month=0&SeasonSegment=&OpponentTeamID=0&VsConference=&VsDivision=&GameSegment=&Period=0&LastNGames=0&DateFrom=&DateTo=&PORound=0&ShotClockRange=&MeasureType=Base&section=player&sct=hex&sort=SHOT_DISTANCE&dir=1

[Capn'O]

Knox looks like the next Jabari Parker. Might actually be worse defensively.

...yeah because all one and done rookies are fully developed half way into their rookie years.

I'm just making a good guess.

Big difference is he doesn't seem to have the baditude that Jabari does. Even if he's never lockdown, you can get away with guys that may not be the best defenders but at least understand and try to conform with team concepts and schemes if they're dropping 20+ on the other end.