The Knicks Scenario

CeltsfanSinceBirth · Post #41 » by **CeltsfanSinceBirth** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 2:21 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:Kyrie kind of boxed himself in following his public comments. Leaving after saying that and filming commercials talking about retiring his number is absolutely a nightmare from a PR perspective.

In all fairness, whatever backlash he'd face from going against his word would be drowned out from all of the NY media ball-washing. It might get a mention for 1 news cycle, but after that, the media would just gush over Kyrie playing at "the Mecca" of basketball every night.

Captain_Caveman · Post #42 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:30 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Starting to worry about this, the more that Durant to the Knicks rumors start to surface. Knicks can conceivably get to double max cap room land, and KD and Kyrie are pretty good friends. Kyrie would obviously love to play on a top Knicks team, too. What is worse is that the Knicks in the running for a top pick as well.

Money would be tight, but with cap maneuvering and dumping Courtney Lee and Hardaway, it is possible that Knicks could end up with:

Kyrie/Ntilikina
---
KD/Knox
Zion
Porzingis/Mitchell Robinson

No likey, even if the Knicks end up with RJ Barrett instead of Zion.

The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

Why would he do that?

Post #43 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:38 pm

CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Kyrie kind of boxed himself in following his public comments. Leaving after saying that and filming commercials talking about retiring his number is absolutely a nightmare from a PR perspective.

In all fairness, whatever backlash he'd face from going against his word would be drowned out from all of the NY media ball-washing. It might get a mention for 1 news cycle, but after that, the media would just gush over Kyrie playing at "the Mecca" of basketball every night.

I think the easier path would be to deal with this would be to talk to Ainge now behind the scenes. The PR, KP and salary cap issues could all be resolved with a KP+THJr for Kyrie deal.

Post #44 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:39 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:Starting to worry about this, the more that Durant to the Knicks rumors start to surface. Knicks can conceivably get to double max cap room land, and KD and Kyrie are pretty good friends. Kyrie would obviously love to play on a top Knicks team, too. What is worse is that the Knicks in the running for a top pick as well.

Money would be tight, but with cap maneuvering and dumping Courtney Lee and Hardaway, it is possible that Knicks could end up with:

Kyrie/Ntilikina
---
KD/Knox
Zion
Porzingis/Mitchell Robinson

No likey, even if the Knicks end up with RJ Barrett instead of Zion.

The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

Roddy · Post #45 » by **Roddy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:03 pm

Knicks Sign Kadeem Allen To Two-Way Deal

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252228/Knicks-Sign-Kadeem-Allen-To-Two-Way-Deal

The dynasty begins...Kadeem, then KD and Kyrie.

mbsnmisc · Post #46 » by **mbsnmisc** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:12 pm

Roddy wrote:Knicks Sign Kadeem Allen To Two-Way Deal

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/252228/Knicks-Sign-Kadeem-Allen-To-Two-Way-Deal

The dynasty begins...Kadeem, then KD and Kyrie.

I am glad he is back. I always want to see our draftees succeed. Except James Young. **** James Young.

CelticsLV · Post #47 » by **CelticsLV** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:28 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

So you think he doesn't want stars to come to the Knicks and help turn them into a relevant team? :lol:

Post #48 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:39 pm

CelticsLV wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

So you think he doesn't want stars to come to the Knicks and help turn them into a relevant team?

I think he wants to be the main guy. I think he wants it to be his team.

Above all, I think he’s tired of the Knicks and their dysfunction and will use this as leverage to get out. Rumors are already flying that he’s again pissed at their FO because he wants to play this year and the team wont be doing so. This would be his golden ticket to exert his leverage to get out.

Banks2Pierce · Post #49 » by **Banks2Pierce** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:45 pm

It's a definite worry and how we finish the season will have a big bearing on what Kyrie does.

I do disagree that THJ will be easy to move. I don't see how that's palatable for anyone to take into their cap space without picks, but I'm good at underestimating the bad decisionmakers in the league.

Captain_Caveman · Post #50 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:53 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

Why did Kevin Love want to be Kevin Love?

Captain_Caveman · Post #51 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:54 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
CelticsLV wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Why does he want to be Kevin Love

So you think he doesn't want stars to come to the Knicks and help turn them into a relevant team?

I think he wants to be the main guy. I think he wants it to be his team.

Above all, I think he’s tired of the Knicks and their dysfunction and will use this as leverage to get out. Rumors are already flying that he’s again pissed at their FO because he wants to play this year and the team wont be doing so. This would be his golden ticket to exert his leverage to get out.

He's a restricted free agent.

cuyankees · Post #52 » by **cuyankees** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:10 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
CeltsfanSinceBirth wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:Kyrie kind of boxed himself in following his public comments. Leaving after saying that and filming commercials talking about retiring his number is absolutely a nightmare from a PR perspective.

In all fairness, whatever backlash he'd face from going against his word would be drowned out from all of the NY media ball-washing. It might get a mention for 1 news cycle, but after that, the media would just gush over Kyrie playing at "the Mecca" of basketball every night.

I think the easier path would be to deal with this would be to talk to Ainge now behind the scenes. The PR, KP and salary cap issues could all be resolved with a KP+THJr for Kyrie deal.

KP + for KI? :lol:

Imagine Danny throws out a crazy deal to catch someone sleeping, but this is great comedy.

Post #53 » by **SmartWentCrazy** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:21 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

Why did Kevin Love want to be Kevin Love?

Did he? He seemed pretty **** miserable and nearly left during his FA from most reports.

Captain_Caveman · Post #54 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:29 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Why does he want to be Kevin Love

Why did Kevin Love want to be Kevin Love?

Did he? He seemed pretty **** miserable and nearly left during his FA from most reports.

How about Chris Bosh, then?

I hear what you are saying, but I think it is overstated. Porzingis seems to be mad in large part due to their inability to field a real team. His options are also limited, and I don't see him forcing himself off a contending team in NY.

Spree2Houston · Post #55 » by **Spree2Houston** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:54 pm

SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
The thing you missed— do you see KP as eager to be the next Kevin Love? I dont. He can throw a massive wrench into the above by signing an offer sheet right as FA opens, jumping his cap hold by about 10M.

Why would he do that?

Why does he want to be Kevin Love

Kevin Love has a ring. Also, Love joined LeBron when he was 26 (in the start of his prime). KD would joining KP when he's 22 (not really his prime yet). I think KD only comes here on a short-term deal ala Lebron. By the time he leaves, KP's prime would begin and it'll be his team.

truth18 · Post #56 » by **truth18** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 5:57 pm

Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
Why did Kevin Love want to be Kevin Love?

Did he? He seemed pretty **** miserable and nearly left during his FA from most reports.

How about Chris Bosh, then?

I hear what you are saying, but I think it is overstated. Porzingis seems to be mad in large part due to their inability to field a real team. His options are also limited, and I don't see him forcing himself off a contending team in NY.

I largely agree but let's not forget that he is clearly a Rose/Leonard type with his brother having major and active influence on his career. He doesn't seem like Reggie Rose or Uncle Dennis but it's the Knicks, things could sour quickly.

Captain_Caveman · Post #57 » by **Captain_Caveman** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:01 pm

truth18 wrote:
Captain_Caveman wrote:
SmartWentCrazy wrote:
Did he? He seemed pretty **** miserable and nearly left during his FA from most reports.

How about Chris Bosh, then?

I hear what you are saying, but I think it is overstated. Porzingis seems to be mad in large part due to their inability to field a real team. His options are also limited, and I don't see him forcing himself off a contending team in NY.

I largely agree but let's not forget that he is clearly a Rose/Leonard type with his brother having major and active influence on his career. He doesn't seem like Reggie Rose or Uncle Dennis but it's the Knicks, things could sour quickly.

Sure, but that would likely happen after Kyrie was already gone. In the meantime, he is an impending RFA who essentially has to play for the Knicks next year. Doing so on the QO only makes signing Kyrie easier for them.

Jaqua92 · Post #58 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:24 pm

Jakeopp wrote:
Jaqua92 wrote:Im worried Brad's non-championship winning sharing offense will drive Kyrie out of town.

If he leaves this offseason...and the team doesnt get it together, not a good look for Brad.

Young players and Brad not reigning them in is the problem. Brad seems like he prefers to coach younger players

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What suggests that Kyrie wants the ball more? I thought he was big on passing and getting his teammates involved now?

I didn't say that. I'm talking about the offensive system. Guys like Terry and Brown are able to do what they want. Its not so much of Kyrie not getting shots (17 a game is not much), its more about the way other players attempt to score

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Jaqua92 · Post #59 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:27 pm

Gooner wrote:It's possible, as it's becoming more apparent that Kyrie is losing some respect for Brad Stevens. That last shot situation wasn't just about last shot, it was the microcosm of the whole season. There is no hierarchy, everybody has the green light, Kyrie isn't respected enough as the leader by Brad Stevens, and that final play was just the final straw.

I think Brad really prefers having a team without a star, where there isn't a lot of pressure, and he can draw his cute little plays, and make his team overachieve, but never really be a contender. I think it would be a relief for him if Kyrie left.

This is my worry too. Which is why I was implying is Kyrie does leave, it's on Brad.

But the problem is, we don't win a championship without a star, and if Brad can only be his best without a star, well, I think there's a problem.

I don't think that's the case though, and I genuinely feel some of these guys need to be off the team in order for a better offense to be run.

We can still have fantastic ball movement with a star. Look at Golden State.

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reload141 · Post #60 » by **reload141** » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:10 pm

If the Knicks are holding out KP for a whole year not sure that’s really enticing for FA’s.

7”3 coming off an ACL with a decent injury history (72, 66, 48) I mean, I know ACL’s are a lot easier to come back from nowadays but still.... if I was FA I’d want to see that he’s recovered and playing again first.