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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#341 » by cuyankees » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:00 pm

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Cookies4Life wrote:Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.



I hope that last sentence wasn't some thinly-veiled shot at myself. I've watched almost every game this year including preseason and Summer League.

i have no problem with Knox taking floaters- that's a part of his offensive versatility. I agree with you 100% on his lack of defense. At times when he's engaged, he plays pretty good man to man defense. He gets beat a lot to the rim and his defensive awareness (opposing players making backdoor cuts, etc,) has to be improved upon.

I personally don't care what his averages are in a throw away season- I just want to see him develop and continue to improve as the season goes on.

I'd like to see him give better effort defensively, attack the glass a bit more, not put his head down so much when he makes a mistake, and play within the flow of the offense. As I said before, it's hard to be an efficient wing player when you're playing 20+ minutes a night alongside Hardaway jr and Mudiay. Those guys don't make a concerted effort to get their other teammates in good position to be efficient.

No just the sense I've gotten during this "hot" streak from KK, who's doing it in garbage time and wOUT a defender caring.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#342 » by Cookies4Life » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:00 pm

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Cookies4Life wrote:Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.



Cook’s this squad is rather wack. My single joy this season is Mitch. The rest of these dudes need to get off my squad so we can prepare for the arrival of Zion.


I love Money Mitch as well. You can't be so sour on KP though? I agree on a lot of your points with him- he should not be averaging below 45% from the field at his size. His shot is impossible to guard and he's versatile enough that he shouldn't settle for so many jumpers.

His shot selection needs to improve. If he stopped taking those deep 3's and made quicker decisions with the ball when he's on the block/in iso settings than I think his FG %'s would skyrocket.

On a side note, I saw you mentioned KP is best at the 5. I agree with you from a defensive standpoint, but I want to see him play the 4 offensively. My dream scenario is Mitchell evolves into a beast of a 5 and we play both of them next to each other. Robinson has freakish enough athleticism to guard opposing 4's. His major issue is foul troubles (inexperienced rookie) and going for headfakes too often (another rookie issue.) Those 2 dudes playing the 4 and 5 can be a very dominant duo defensively.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#343 » by fatalogic » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:02 pm

cuyankees wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:
cuyankees wrote:Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.



I hope that last sentence wasn't some thinly-veiled shot at myself. I've watched almost every game this year including preseason and Summer League.

i have no problem with Knox taking floaters- that's a part of his offensive versatility. I agree with you 100% on his lack of defense. At times when he's engaged, he plays pretty good man to man defense. He gets beat a lot to the rim and his defensive awareness (opposing players making backdoor cuts, etc,) has to be improved upon.

I personally don't care what his averages are in a throw away season- I just want to see him develop and continue to improve as the season goes on.

I'd like to see him give better effort defensively, attack the glass a bit more, not put his head down so much when he makes a mistake, and play within the flow of the offense. As I said before, it's hard to be an efficient wing player when you're playing 20+ minutes a night alongside Hardaway jr and Mudiay. Those guys don't make a concerted effort to get their other teammates in good position to be efficient.

No just the sense I've gotten during this "hot" streak from KK, who's doing it in garbage time and wOUT a defender caring.


How is he doing it garbage time when most of his scoring is in the 1st half? Hell a few games ago people were hoping he could continue his scoring after the 1st quarter.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#344 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:04 pm

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Capn'O wrote:
After the terrific success of Avocado Beyonce, I'd be happy to work out another bet, but the ball is in Tron's court.

Hence why it’s you I want
This or nothing


So you're setting up for the loss already :noway:

Don't want none of Tron's smoke...


Let her run and hide scared now because dat boy Knox good :lol:
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#345 » by Greenie » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:08 pm

Tron Carter wrote:
Capn'O wrote:
Greenie wrote:Hence why it’s you I want
This or nothing


So you're setting up for the loss already :noway:

Don't want none of Tron's smoke...


Let her run and hide scared now because dat boy Knox good :lol:

Not running and hiding anywhere.

I don’t fuq with you. Why would I bet you?

Step aside and let Cap take up this Knox mantle.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#346 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:10 pm

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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#347 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:14 pm

cuyankees wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.


I feel like you don't watch the games if this is how you interpret yesterday's game. The entire second half we were pretty much one run away from taking the lead. Not to mention we were down by 3 with like 5 minute left. Knox was one of the players leading the charge on the massive come back scoring in a variety of ways. I honestly think he took two floaters all game. How could you not excited about the second youngest player in the league who just won rookie of the month playing a great game? Sounds like you're not about this rebuild life if you don't like watching young players improve.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#348 » by robillionaire » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:14 pm

FG% for most players would likely go up if there was a PG or a playmaker who could create good looks or a good offensive system being run instead of everybody having to create their own shot every game
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#349 » by Greenie » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:17 pm

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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#350 » by Greenie » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:19 pm

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cuyankees wrote:
Cookies4Life wrote:Knox is shooting a little over 38% from the field which obviously isn't ideal. Rookies should get a lot of leeway, especially someone like Knox who is playing with a very bad starting back court that doesn't get many people involve on the offensive end. I'm pretty sure this team averages the lowest amount of assist per game in the league right now which correlates with them having the lowest FG% in the league. When you have very little ball distribution with your backcourt having a high usage rating and not getting teammates involved, everyone's FG #'s will be taking a hit.

Trae Young is shooting 39% from the field, and the great Luca Doncic is shooting just a shade over 43% from the field. Some people compare Knox to Booker who averaged around 42% from the field in his rookie season. Obviously I'd like to see Knox' FG % go at least above 40% before the season is over but when you look at who he's playing with in the starting lineup and I can understand why he sometimes takes some ill advised shots. He doesn't know when he'll be able to touch the ball again when you're playing with kamikaze pilot type of players in Mudiay and Tim.

Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.


I feel like you don't watch the games if this is how you interpret yesterday's game. The entire second half we were pretty much one run away from taking the lead. Not to mention we were down by 3 with like 5 minute left. Knox was one of the players leading the charge on the massive come back scoring in a variety of ways. I honestly think he took two floaters all game. How could you not excited about the second youngest player in the league who just won rookie of the month playing a great game? Sounds like you're not about this rebuild life if you don't like watching young players improve.


People stuck on yesterday as if this isn’t January and he hasn’t been playing since October.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#351 » by fatalogic » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:22 pm

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cuyankees wrote:Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.


I feel like you don't watch the games if this is how you interpret yesterday's game. The entire second half we were pretty much one run away from taking the lead. Not to mention we were down by 3 with like 5 minute left. Knox was one of the players leading the charge on the massive come back scoring in a variety of ways. I honestly think he took two floaters all game. How could you not excited about the second youngest player in the league who just won rookie of the month playing a great game? Sounds like you're not about this rebuild life if you don't like watching young players improve.


People stuck on yesterday as if this isn’t January and he hasn’t been playing since October.

Umm it's the POST game thread.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#352 » by robillionaire » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:26 pm

I’ve watched every second of every game and very few of his points have come in late garbage time and the vast majority have come in the first half and anybody who watches games knows this
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#353 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:35 pm

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cuyankees wrote:Knox's efficiency is important bc when KP returns and whomever comes next season (draft and/ FA) Knox is a 3/4 option @ best. Sound familiar? We already have a debacle @ SG.

Regardless, it's hard to get excited when watching Knox throw up floaters, layups going away from the basket and playing matador defense all the while teams giving him room bc NYK are a joke and down by double digits.

Sense I get is there is a lot of box score cheerleaders who don't watch games/highlights and see how it's done in context.


I feel like you don't watch the games if this is how you interpret yesterday's game. The entire second half we were pretty much one run away from taking the lead. Not to mention we were down by 3 with like 5 minute left. Knox was one of the players leading the charge on the massive come back scoring in a variety of ways. I honestly think he took two floaters all game. How could you not excited about the second youngest player in the league who just won rookie of the month playing a great game? Sounds like you're not about this rebuild life if you don't like watching young players improve.


People stuck on yesterday as if this isn’t January and he hasn’t been playing since October.


To be fair this is the post game thread but I'll agree with you that he was terrible before that Berman hit piece came out. Like he's defense was so bad that he was borderline unplayable but since December 1st he's been really good for a rookie. Good enough to win rookie of the month and I think that's a pretty big deal. He efficiency is up and he's defense is just bad instead of unplayabley bad. I think it be worse if he didn't make any improvements than what we're seeing now.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#354 » by cuyankees » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:40 pm

robillionaire wrote:I’ve watched every second of every game and very few of his points have come in late garbage time and the vast majority have come in the first half and anybody who watches games knows this

Fatal mistake, tipoff starts garbage time in a NYK game.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#355 » by 21 Hussle » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:44 pm

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Orange21 wrote:lol it’s been established already that Greenie doesn’t like anyone on this team other than Mitch. No need to keep going back and forth on a losing argument.

I like KP too.
I just don’t like him as a PF.

He’s my favorite at center

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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#356 » by Tron Carter » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:51 pm

idgaf who takes the bet it’s my bet I win regardless :lol:. I cheer for knox’s efficiency regardless I don’t need a bet as motivation.
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Post#357 » by DOT » Mon Jan 14, 2019 7:52 pm

Tron Carter wrote:idgaf who takes the bet it’s my bet I win regardless . I cheer for knox’s efficiency regardless I don’t need a bet as motivation.
More interesting bet would be if he gets above .500 eFG, cause he's at .456 right now, and that's more an indicator of efficiency than pure FG%

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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#358 » by Capn'O » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:03 pm

Tron Carter wrote:idgaf who takes the bet it’s my bet I win regardless . I cheer for knox’s efficiency regardless I don’t need a bet as motivation.


:thinking: If it's mine, I won't be as charitable as last time. That Bey one was pretty fly.

K-DOT wrote:More interesting bet would be if he gets above .500 eFG, cause he's at .456 right now, and that's more an indicator of efficiency than pure FG%

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Yeah but we probably wouldn't win that one. He's put himself pretty far behind the 8-ball for that and is just below 50% in Jan.
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Re: PG Thread: Excellent loss 

Post#359 » by B8RcDeMktfxC » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:05 pm

fatalogic wrote:How is he doing it garbage time when most of his scoring is in the 1st half? Hell a few games ago people were hoping he could continue his scoring after the 1st quarter.

With this starting line up the first half is garbage time.

[edit] too slow, sigh
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Post#360 » by jvsimonetti0514 » Mon Jan 14, 2019 8:08 pm

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robillionaire wrote:I’ve watched every second of every game and very few of his points have come in late garbage time and the vast majority have come in the first half and anybody who watches games knows this

Fatal mistake, tipoff starts garbage time in a NYK game.


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